Barb weapons

Bardolph - Harshlands
Bardolph - Harshlands Posts: 111 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Barbarian
Ok, everywhere I read Barbs should equip Dual Axes, but I'm curious why... What do Dual Axes have over Hammers or poleaxes/hammers? I assume they're all affected by the Axe and Hammer Mastery passive, so that can't be the case. I'd assume Dual Axes have bigger accuracy (it's bigger of a flaw than a barb's damage imo), but I find it hard to believe how dual axes could be more accurate than a weapon on a stick...
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  • Belligero - Sanctuary
    Belligero - Sanctuary Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I used to wonder the same thing.

    There are two main reasons why people go for axes besides for the look:

    1] Berserk: Has a chance to inflict double damage at the cost of losing 5% HP.

    2] Starting at level 60, you get TT Axes, which you can follow the rest of the way until endgame basically.
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  • Bardolph - Harshlands
    Bardolph - Harshlands Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Wow, so axes and poleaxes all have a chance of triggering 'berserk'?

    And what's a TT... ? I've read it several times and it wasn't in the acronyms list so I have no idea what it is.

    EDIT: On a sidenote, imo poleaxes and polehammers look way better than dual weapons :o
  • Rupture - Dreamweaver
    Rupture - Dreamweaver Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bardolph - Harshlands wrote: »
    Wow, so axes and poleaxes all have a chance of triggering 'berserk'?

    And what's a TT... ? I've read it several times and it wasn't in the acronyms list so I have no idea what it is.

    EDIT: On a sidenote, imo poleaxes and polehammers look way better than dual weapons :o

    No, all axes and poleaxes don't, only axes/other weapons with Berserk listed near the bottom do. TT is Twilight Temple, The glowy green weapons and in some cases glowy gold :).
  • Belligero - Sanctuary
    Belligero - Sanctuary Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Honestly, you can use any weapon you wish below 60, it doesn't matter, but people just go for Berserk Axes when they can [Calamities/GX] and they just use the TT Axes
    Belligero
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    we get axes cuz they have the maximum possible phys attack and they are made for skill spamming and we are very good at that with fast chan attacks and Baestial Onslaught that is based on our axes (and deal awesome damage)
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  • GodlyTank - Dreamweaver
    GodlyTank - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bardolph - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok, everywhere I read Barbs should equip Dual Axes, but I'm curious why... What do Dual Axes have over Hammers or poleaxes/hammers? I assume they're all affected by the Axe and Hammer Mastery passive, so that can't be the case. I'd assume Dual Axes have bigger accuracy (it's bigger of a flaw than a barb's damage imo), but I find it hard to believe how dual axes could be more accurate than a weapon on a stick...

    Im not sure but does Axe and Hammer Mastery apply to Poleaxes or Polehammers? (I dont think they do, just wanna ask, im using dual axes regardless)
    b:sweat
  • Pocket_Tank - Heavens Tear
    Pocket_Tank - Heavens Tear Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    if you look in the skill description it says

    required weapon: poleaxe, polehammer, axes, hammers
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Dual axes have the highest possible max & spike damage.
    Dual hammers have the highest possible minimum damage.
    Pole weapons have faster attack rates, but lower max and min damage than their dual counterparts.

    Why use dual axes?
    Well for one its a good balance between str and dex. Poleaxes tend to require a bit more dex, while the dual hammers require a lot more str. We need str for damage and dex helps accuracy.

    As already stated, we can spam skills and those are enhanced by weapon damage.

    But the real reason is simply that TT has a lot more options for dual axes than it does for any other weapon type that we can use.
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  • CornHilario - Heavens Tear
    CornHilario - Heavens Tear Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    we get axes cuz they have the maximum possible phys attack and they are made for skill spamming and we are very good at that with fast chan attacks and Baestial Onslaught that is based on our axes (and deal awesome damage)

    tyvm.

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  • Bardolph - Harshlands
    Bardolph - Harshlands Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I don't understand the link between weapons and skills, can anyone explain?
    And why are axes better for us then?
  • Pocket_Tank - Heavens Tear
    Pocket_Tank - Heavens Tear Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ok its been explained to me like this:

    our axe and hammer mastery is very important to our damage. axe and hammer mastery lists 4 weapons it is usable with:

    poleaxe
    polehammer
    dual axes
    dual hammers

    the pole weapons have weaker damage, but they hit .91 (?) times per second.

    the dual weapons have stronger damage, but they hit .83 times per second.

    if you use your skills correctly (read: spam level 1 beastial hammer+garrotte) you can speed up your hit rate to 1.00 for the one, and ~1.1 for the other. (also when youre using any skill at all your hit rate is fixed to the hit rate of the skill, not the weapon) this means that dual axes/hammers are superior because they have greater damage and get almost exactly the same # of hits.

    as for axes vs hammers, ive heard people only pick axes over hammers cuz the weapons have a higher chance of having berserk or something. idk thats all i know.

    and yeah, im still using my fb19 trial poleaxe because im just that pro. b:laugh i am trading it in for dual hammers at 37 though.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    What Pocket_Tank said is mostly correct.

    Look at dual hammers and dual axes. The axes have higher max damage, while the hammers have higher min damage.
    Now look at our skills. Most of them have a base physical damage + XYZ type description. Thats what makes having the higher max damage benefit the skills.
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Also, the higher attack speed does not really matter when you're spamming skills. Skills have a set speed (channeling + casting time), Im pretty sure, a higher attack speed does not affect the skill speed. Therefore, the DPS with spamming skills and a slower weapon but higher damage will be higher.
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  • Bardolph - Harshlands
    Bardolph - Harshlands Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What Pocket_Tank said is mostly correct.

    Look at dual hammers and dual axes. The axes have higher max damage, while the hammers have higher min damage.
    Now look at our skills. Most of them have a base physical damage + XYZ type description. Thats what makes having the higher max damage benefit the skills.

    That cleared it up :) Thank you

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