What is the hardest hitting skill in the game?

Temuder - Harshlands
Temuder - Harshlands Posts: 1 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Arigora Colosseum
Is it the water dragon or is perdition? When I ask this I mean when cast in a perfect condition, like the dragon used with undine strike and extreme poison by a fully buffed wizard used on a proper opponent (heavy armor) and perdition used by a vit build barb with hp stones in his equip and with adequate armor refines for armor, used under the influence of tree of protection's hp raise by a fully buffed barb on a proper opponent (arcane armor). Both skills are same lvl (lets say maxed). I'm interested in a pvp case not on mobs. This isn't suppose to be a flame thread between wizzies and barbs. I'm just curious.b:bye
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  • Reventon - Harshlands
    Reventon - Harshlands Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I think perdition hits almost double the amount ice dragon hits in those conditions. I could be wrong.
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  • Hemoglobin - Lost City
    Hemoglobin - Lost City Posts: 251 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Umm, honestly I can't answer that because idk what perdition is.. Looked on ecatomb.net through all the barb skills, perdition isnt on there, and I looked through all the genie skills to make sure it wasnt a genie skill, not there either.

    From a wiz standpoint, I'd think the dragon. Wiz are DD, and so it would make more sense that a wiz's skill would always do more damage than a barbarians, whose job is to tank, not damage. But idk, cuz I can't find what perdition is. Sorry b:surrender

    Edit: That might be because on ecatomb its called armaggeddon, lol.

    Without looking at demon or sage:

    Perdition: Consume all ones Chi, and trade half of all HP and mana for a massive
    attack to all targets in a range of 12 meters from the caster.
    Inflicts 4000 physical damage. Each point of HP
    and mana consumed in casting adds an additional 4.0 damage.

    Idk what a barbs hp would be at this level, say 12k? And their mp pool is pretty low, so maybe 2k?.. So in total the attack probably does ~11k? (4k + 6k hp + 1k mp)

    Ice Dragon: Focus one's energy to summon a Water dragon that soars up to the sky and smashes onto
    the target and all surrounding enemies. Target and enemies in a 12.0 meter radius
    around target suffer Water damage equal to base magic damage plus 500% of weapon
    damage plus 9648.9. Has a 95% chance to slow enemies by 60% for 8.0 seconds.

    Wiz attacks are always based on weapon damage + a factor. So 9.6k + 500% of weapon damage (I don't even know how to calculate that)..It could easily be assumed dragon does more damage.
  • Chobsi - Heavens Tear
    Chobsi - Heavens Tear Posts: 540 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Hemoglobin - Lost City wrote: »
    Umm, honestly I can't answer that because idk what perdition is.. Looked on ecatomb.net through all the barb skills, perdition isnt on there, and I looked through all the genie skills to make sure it wasnt a genie skill, not there either.

    From a wiz standpoint, I'd think the dragon. Wiz are DD, and so it would make more sense that a wiz's skill would always do more damage than a barbarians, whose job is to tank, not damage. But idk, cuz I can't find what perdition is. Sorry b:surrender

    Edit: That might be because on ecatomb its called armaggeddon, lol.

    Without looking at demon or sage:

    Perdition: Consume all ones Chi, and trade half of all HP and mana for a massive
    attack to all targets in a range of 12 meters from the caster.
    Inflicts 4000 physical damage. Each point of HP
    and mana consumed in casting adds an additional 4.0 damage.

    Idk what a barbs hp would be at this level, say 12k? And their mp pool is pretty low, so maybe 2k?.. So in total the attack probably does ~11k? (4k + 6k hp + 1k mp).
    He's saying a barb with great gear and refines and hp stones which could change it a lot
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  • Kardie - Dreamweaver
    Kardie - Dreamweaver Posts: 371 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I know a level 80 barb with some pretty damn sexy +5 equips, and he has around 12k~, so Hemo isn't that far off.
  • Mizorie - Lost City
    Mizorie - Lost City Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    all depends on the wep refinement, resistances, and armor, oh and sage or hell.

    and tbh i have no idea, imo BiDs is more feared but unno i might be biased.
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  • Anders - Lost City
    Anders - Lost City Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Heavy armor classes would be a tossup between sandstorm and BIDS
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    noooo .

    perdition takes the cake any day. since barbs can reach 32k hp. and they get berserk, which mages do not, perdition has the highest possibility for the max damage output. AND in demon perdition gets a 10% damage bonus.
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  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Perdition can also miss making it cause 0 damage.

    A sage BiD is feared because there is a 50% chance you are probably going to get crit by it.

    I would say BiD is more consistantly feared, while perdition is when you only get a zerk or crit on the attack, or even both.

    As for hardest hitting skill, it would be perdition because of the possibilities it can go through. More feared though? I would probably say BiD takes that because its ranged and doesn't take half your HP.
  • Aberration - Harshlands
    Aberration - Harshlands Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Perdition hits harder but it can miss. The magic ultimates (dragon and mountain for the wizard and tempest for cleric) don't miss. But perdition can hit higher numbers.
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  • Hemoglobin - Lost City
    Hemoglobin - Lost City Posts: 251 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I've failed b:surrender
  • Kazim - Harshlands
    Kazim - Harshlands Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Haiz - Lost City wrote: »
    Perdition can also miss making it cause 0 damage.

    A sage BiD is feared because there is a 50% chance you are probably going to get crit by it.

    I would say BiD is more consistantly feared, while perdition is when you only get a zerk or crit on the attack, or even both.

    As for hardest hitting skill, it would be perdition because of the possibilities it can go through. More feared though? I would probably say BiD takes that because its ranged and doesn't take half your HP.

    well if u use sunder (hell) which make u do crits for 5 secs or beasly outsloughter or how ever u spell it xD it gives 35% crit rate i think which will prob make it crit
  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    This is quite a null discussion, because you're not going to have somebody patiently wait for you to fully debuff them and stand idly by while someone with +12 and g12 shards whales on them with Perdition. BiDs, I can understand if you manage to FoW/SW Undine sutra spark it at max range.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kazim - Harshlands wrote: »
    well if u use sunder (hell) which make u do crits for 5 secs or beasly outsloughter or how ever u spell it xD it gives 35% crit rate i think which will prob make it crit
    Barbs won't get that much crit. Those skills add a certain crit% depending on your current critrate, it's not a static +X% crit.
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    peridition ftw.

    hell sunder + tree of protection + zerk + hell peridition = imba
  • dekciw
    dekciw Posts: 954 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

    As for hardest hitting skill, it would be perdition because of the possibilities it can go through. More feared though? I would probably say BiD takes that because its ranged and doesn't take half your HP.


    Agreed, BiD has more consistent high damage but perdition can achieve higher numbers.

    32k on Zori anyone? and inflamez didn't have that high hp nor hell perdition, nor tree genie skill.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    The hardest hitting skill is whichever skill a GM happens to use at the time. 2 million damage normal pvp hits anyone?

    Based on normal players though, armegeddon has higher damage potential but it relies on too much pure luck to pull it off.
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  • Feiric - Harshlands
    Feiric - Harshlands Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Manifest Virtue

    Increases magic attack by (maximum mana/100)%. Lasts 30 seconds.
    Requires one Spark.


    Anyone ever see this in use? If this is accurate, I'd think that pumping this out before BiDS on top of the other buffs could dwarf any other skill combo for damage. I'm only 69 and my max mp is almost 9k with lvl 5 wellspring quaff.

    Never used it or seen it, so I know I could be wrong here. Sounds awesome though.
  • Cleon - Harshlands
    Cleon - Harshlands Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Barbs won't get that much crit. Those skills add a certain crit% depending on your current critrate, it's not a static +X% crit.

    Wrong.
    Hell Sunder makes every attack for the next 5 sec a critical one, so if you hell sunder + hell perdition the perdition will crit.
    Demon version recovers a total of 4000 HP and makes every attack critical for 5 seconds.
  • Paigrande - Harshlands
    Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Perdition is the hardest hitting physical based dmg skill and BIDS is the hardest magical dmg skill although the maximum damage you can do with perdition can be higher then the dmg u can do with bids considering both weapons(wizard weapon and barb weapon with zerk). But BIDS is the most feared one cuz it can even kill other mages which are suppose to hav more magic defence, BIDS never misses cuz is a magic skill, BIDS is ranged (ofc) and BIDS can do alot of dmg to any class while perdition doesnt do alot of dmg to BMs and barbs.

    NOTE: if you use accuracy pots you wont have any probs with missing a perdition hit and barbs hav the mighty swing which can (must) be used in order for the target to not move while you are taking half HP from yourself and its wise to use perdition only after the target HP has already ticked which is hard against wizards that know when and how to kite.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Cleon - Harshlands wrote: »
    Wrong.
    Hell Sunder makes every attack for the next 5 sec a critical one, so if you hell sunder + hell perdition the perdition will crit.
    Oh, I was thinking of another skill, my bad.
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  • Shugio - Dreamweaver
    Shugio - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Perditration(A.K.A Armagedon) would most likely out damage Black Ice dragon has the potential to kill with a high enough crit also...depending on what path you have chosen and the level of the skill (assumeing each is maxed) Perditration will be the bigger damage Dealer
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  • Warmechanism - Harshlands
    Warmechanism - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    There is no doubt about it, once the barb starts refining and HP sharding those TT90 and TT99 armors and gets like 25k in human mode perdition outdamages the water dragon by a good amount.
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  • TameThat - Sanctuary
    TameThat - Sanctuary Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Well there is something most people forgot to read actually, Perdition/Armageddon damage does not include the physical attack of the player, while BiDS does. It can make a big different in the damage dealt.

    (Demon) Armageddon damage is (based on a 32kHP and 3kMP Barb):

    5000 + 16000 + 1500 = 22.5k (24750 with Demon Armageddon)
    With critical hit and berseck it can go up to 99k.

    (Sage/Demon) Black Ice Dragon Strike is (based on a mage with highly refined weapon) :

    13955 + 500% of weapon damage (8k-12k) + Magic attack (20k-25k with Manifest Virtue) = 42k-51k
    With a critical hit it can go up to 82k-102k

    In the end it's pretty much the same damage input. I say it's a tie.
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    TameThat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well there is something most people forgot to read actually, Perdition/Armageddon damage does not include the physical attack of the player, while BiDS does. It can make a big different in the damage dealt.

    (Demon) Armageddon damage is (based on a 32kHP and 3kMP Barb):

    5000 + 16000 + 1500 = 22.5k (24750 with Demon Armageddon)
    With critical hit and berseck it can go up to 99k.

    (Sage/Demon) Black Ice Dragon Strike is (based on a mage with highly refined weapon) :

    13955 + 500% of weapon damage (8k-12k) + Magic attack (20k-25k with Manifest Virtue) = 42k-51k
    With a critical hit it can go up to 82k-102k

    In the end it's pretty much the same damage input. I say it's a tie.

    even with the 100 mp skill, a BIDS doesnt come close to the most possible damage output

    not even close

    each point taken off hp/mp = 4 damage sooo..

    5000 + 56000= 61,000 x2 (flame) 122,000 x2 (crit) 244,000 x2 (zerk) 488,000
    x1.2 (extrme poison) = 585,600

    + demon ironwood scarab... = GG


    edit: i forgot tree of prot.. raises max hp by 60%.. sooo those numbers should be much bigger, too lazy to calculate
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Emberstorm Ftw
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  • Warmechanism - Harshlands
    Warmechanism - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    TameThat - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well there is something most people forgot to read actually, Perdition/Armageddon damage does not include the physical attack of the player, while BiDS does. It can make a big different in the damage dealt.

    (Demon) Armageddon damage is (based on a 32kHP and 3kMP Barb):

    5000 + 16000 + 1500 = 22.5k (24750 with Demon Armageddon)
    With critical hit and berseck it can go up to 99k.

    (Sage/Demon) Black Ice Dragon Strike is (based on a mage with highly refined weapon) :

    13955 + 500% of weapon damage (8k-12k) + Magic attack (20k-25k with Manifest Virtue) = 42k-51k
    With a critical hit it can go up to 82k-102k

    In the end it's pretty much the same damage input. I say it's a tie.

    Wow there! you mean 5000+16000X4+1500X4= Each hp/mp point does 4 damage. So it does 70000 no crit, no zerk (without penalties of course, but still is immense). Now if you want to drop the food from your mouth right on your lap add lvl10 tree of protection.

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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Haha if we wanna go the "Heaven/ Hell" Skills route, BID Kills ALL!!!! Undine Strike then Holy BID (50 chance to increase crit rate by 30%) Pfft, and it never misses?!?!?! You do the math :)
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  • Stickygreen - Heavens Tear
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,158 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Haha if we wanna go the "Heaven/ Hell" Skills route, BID Kills ALL!!!! Undine Strike then Holy BID (50 chance to increase crit rate by 30%) Pfft, and it never misses?!?!?! You do the math :)

    we have, maybe you should?
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  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Your all wrong.


    Highest damage dealing skill in the game is Sage take aim crit delivered by a full dex max level archer with a +12 warsoul bow that has every single skill possible to increase phy attack and every skill possible to decrease opponents phy def.
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  • PandamoniumV - Sanctuary
    PandamoniumV - Sanctuary Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    theres a screen shot in screen shot section of a 100k damage perdition b:victory

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