So for all the QQ about economy...

Tojop - Dreamweaver
Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
edited August 2009 in General Discussion
All of you people complaining about the greed of PIW, how you don't want to spend money, etc etc....

You can buy event food for about 500 coins each. This completely blows away the cash shop price for charms.

What were you complaining about again?
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  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    because charms are even better...
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  • Majesta - Dreamweaver
    Majesta - Dreamweaver Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    b:chuckle Amen to that toj
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  • SnuglyZero - Sanctuary
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »
    because charms are even better...

    apparently doesn't know basic math
  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    you can use charm and pots at same time^^

    that means you can be ganked at stay alive...

    with just pots you die pretty fast... even with the event pots, level 90+ arcanes deals much more than 2,5K damage
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    people just like to whine here.
    tiger, they substitute charms in PVE.
  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary wrote: »
    apparently doesn't know basic math

    b:sadb:cryb:surrender

    ok... then try to do TT hard bosses and WB without charm... its still pve :P
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  • SnuglyZero - Sanctuary
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    cause we TT all the time, and if you are, you can probably afford to buy charms with the extra mats
  • Sylvae - Sanctuary
    Sylvae - Sanctuary Posts: 1,018 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:sadb:cryb:surrender

    ok... then try to do TT hard bosses and WB without charm... its still pve :P

    Only charm needed is a mana charm on the cleric. Decent groups don't need health charms on the tank for the main WBs. Money should not be a replacement for skill anyways.
  • Anders - Lost City
    Anders - Lost City Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Here's just an idea...
    giving free stuff out evens it =\
  • WraitHunter - Dreamweaver
    WraitHunter - Dreamweaver Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    yes i guess if we're talking about charms and food everything seems ok.And yes you don't need a hp charm for any bosses in TT and not only imho.
    Economy a bit "falling apart" because of the concentration of cash shop events.Dunno you guys but 200k average price for gold is a bit high.true that dreamweaver is one of the most gready server out there and i forgot when i bought gold the last time(mainly to buy some incense or some bronze charm for RB)but as long ppl don't have nothing to do they play monopolly on the AH.Hope next week we get Warsong city those 25 rep badges look tasty.
  • erethizon1
    erethizon1 Posts: 554 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Money should not be a replacement for skill anyways.

    Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems with this game is that, to most players, it is all about the money and not at all about the skill.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All of you people complaining about the greed of PIW, how you don't want to spend money, etc etc....

    You can buy event food for about 500 coins each. This completely blows away the cash shop price for charms.

    What were you complaining about again?

    i dont think you can compare the 2 bcuz charms are automatic and theres absolutely no way to choose when it ticks and pots you can. but the sesame.. yuan.. whatever were selling for like 2k each before and now theyve gone down but i know that after the event the price is gonna sky rocket. same for the eggs and boxes you get from it.
  • Donnessa - Heavens Tear
    Donnessa - Heavens Tear Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Here's another thought for all those complainers who think rices are once too high, and other times too low.

    Use that to your advantage!

    Don't sell the stuff you get from the event, all those Jiaozi and Sesame things, Shards Fruits and Oracles, while the event is on. Keep it stashed up. Use the fact that Oracle II sell for about 100-200k under normal circumstances to your advantage.

    If you can't afford to do that, start smaller. Or stop playing
  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    because you can do room 47.
    tho I still have 7000 from last event.
  • Belial - Heavens Tear
    Belial - Heavens Tear Posts: 972 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    because you can do room 47.
    tho I still have 7000 from last event.

    I still can't do Room 47, HP buff, charm, pots and foxform don't help either b:sad
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Belial - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I still can't do Room 47, HP buff, charm, pots and foxform don't help either b:sad

    I've survived room 47. Only once so far, I just have to be lucky to not get hit by anything other than the center monster. I normally don't have any pots with me though and I haven't done the cube for a long time. I'm sure my 5k unbuffed hp plus an hp charm with pots are more than enough.
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    One thing ANYONE fails to grasp that is anyone below level 25 can not use the event pots. Although if you can play more than an hour a day, lvl 25 can be attained pretty quickly. But still... can't use them before level 25.
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    *Ahem* I was drunk last night, was not thinking about hp charms at all. b:surrender

    No, you can't really compare jiaozi to hp charms. Sesame still blows mp charm out of the water.

    Anyways, what does this "broken" economy actually mean? That people won't be able to buy mounts with coins for a while? I suppose catshop prices for boutique items will probably spike....what else?

    If you want to complain, talk to the guy who just spent 14 mil on his misty forest ring.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All of you people complaining about the greed of PIW, how you don't want to spend money, etc etc....

    You can buy event food for about 500 coins each. This completely blows away the cash shop price for charms.

    What were you complaining about again?

    I didn't read any of the rest of the posts, I admit but:

    Do you seriously think pots and gems and oracles can make up for the importance of charms, dragon orbs, socket stones, mounts, etc. for the game? No, I don't think so.
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I think I'm just dumb. What I've been trying to say is....

    Either you can spend money on GAs, and get great stuff from jolly jones.

    Or, don't spend any real money, and get great stuff from catshops.

    Either way you do it, people who spend are coming out on top. If you don't have any money, RL or coins, then the economy has no impact on you anyways.

    Beautiful shard for 29 cents, or for 120k from catshop, is an awesome deal.
  • Lonicera - Dreamweaver
    Lonicera - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Donnessa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Here's another thought for all those complainers who think rices are once too high, and other times too low.

    Use that to your advantage!

    Don't sell the stuff you get from the event, all those Jiaozi and Sesame things, Shards Fruits and Oracles, while the event is on. Keep it stashed up. Use the fact that Oracle II sell for about 100-200k under normal circumstances to your advantage.

    If you can't afford to do that, start smaller. Or stop playing

    This event will last two weeks and people's stocks will last for months. But if you can afford to stockpile your supplies long enough and if you can then unload them before the next jolly event and before the next game-altering change which would reduce their value... then I would urge you to do so...
  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Either way you do it, people who spend are coming out on top. If you don't have any money, RL or coins, then the economy has no impact on you anyways.
    You speak way too much truth.

    The last time there was a Jolly Jones event I bought stuff dirt cheap from cat-shops using my in-game coin, then re-sold a bunch of it later and profited enormously. In addition, all the Jiouzis I got from that event have unquestionably been worth the price I paid for them. I love the darn things.

    That was then, when I was a buyer using in-game coin only. This time I had gold and went the whole gold-for-angels-for-boxes-for-sales-for-more gold-repeat route. This, too, has proven very profitable.

    There are so many ways to win with this event. The problem is that many players are inflexible and unwilling to adapt. They want what they want, at the price they want, when they want it, and then they fume and they gripe because things don't fit neatly into their view of how exactly things ought to be.

    Meanwhile, those who can handle change and are willing to adapt are loving this event. My only complaint is that the Jolly Jones event is just too good. It makes gaining XP/money so easy that it kinda diminishes the accomplishment of the rest of the time I've spent playing. But I'll happily accept that "loss".
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I think I'm just dumb. What I've been trying to say is....

    Either you can spend money on GAs, and get great stuff from jolly jones.

    Or, don't spend any real money, and get great stuff from catshops.

    Either way you do it, people who spend are coming out on top. If you don't have any money, RL or coins, then the economy has no impact on you anyways.

    Beautiful shard for 29 cents, or for 120k from catshop, is an awesome deal.

    And I'm saying it does, because the "great stuff" does not include some of the items that gameplay and PvP revolves around, and despite the cheapness of gems and pots now, it does not remove the necessity of other items or their costs. In fact, the insane gold prices make them harder to obtain than ever.

    And I think you guys are missing the point

    The problem is not JOLLY JONES.

    The problem is the BLATANT INFLATION OF GOLD PRICES.
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ok I think I see where you're coming from. Outrageous gold prices make it difficult to buy charms/GAs/eso etc. with in game coin, fair enough.

    But wouldn't you say it's worth it to suspend "fair" prices on boutique items bought w/ coin for a temporary bonanza, like the jolly event?

    I'm guessing your argument would be, "No, it's not worth it." I respectfully disagree.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I think I'm just dumb. What I've been trying to say is....

    Either you can spend money on GAs, and get great stuff from jolly jones.

    Or, don't spend any real money, and get great stuff from catshops.

    Either way you do it, people who spend are coming out on top. If you don't have any money, RL or coins, then the economy has no impact on you anyways.

    Beautiful shard for 29 cents, or for 120k from catshop, is an awesome deal.
    What you fail to remember is that not everyone is obsessed with charms OR superpotions.

    Some of us just want to buy stuff we need from the CS at sane prices. Storage space? Pigments? Standard mounts and flying gear that have been in the CS forever? Marriage packs? The list goes on. Why should we suffer because PWE made the stupid decision to have gimmick after gimmick with no breaks to let the gold market cool down on its own?

    EDIT: Oops just saw your last post, so...
    But wouldn't you say it's worth it to suspend "fair" prices on boutique items bought w/ coin for a temporary bonanza, like the jolly event?
    The problem is this isn't "temporary." The prices of 180-200k are temporary, yes, but they were sill insufferable long before this event. And yes, most of us can agree that 140-150k for a single piece of gold is insufferable.

    The question isn't really so much what counts as a fair price, but how PWE should endeavor to keep the economy stable. Lately, they haven't been doing a very good job.
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Well that (your edit) I can't really disagree with. I think I'm just an absolute ***** for the jolly event b:surrender

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