Pet or summonings for archer and mage
viperr
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Why don't they add a pet for the archers. And give mages the abillety to summmon creatures. that whey they can tank for themself like veno's can.
Btw srry for the bad english b:victory
Btw srry for the bad english b:victory
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they don't do it becos the ability to use pets is what makes venos unique. archers have high crit rate so there is no need for them to have a pet. they also have the longest range of any class. it gets to the point where mobs can't even get in range of you becos you can hit them from so far away, add the skill take aim, and if that skil crit hits that's about half to 3/4 of the mob's hp gone. if by some reason the mobs get in range there is always knockback arrow.
wizards boast the highest atack in the game, add to the fact that they have a wide arry of element spells, fire, earth and water. they can exploit a mob's weakness easier than any other class since other classes tend to have only one element they really use for their spells where as wizards have 3.
now venos, without their pets (note t this is only if it's a magic build) they get killed almost as easy as a cleric, so they NEED the pets, they can't survie without them.0 -
i agree they do need some sort of pet that can attack. archer have crits and long range but not that far of a range and crits don't really help sometimes if its a meele mob. Also both wiz and archers die to easly when they're attacked 3 hits dead...or at least GIVE THEM A GOOD HEAL! every class got one cept archer <<0
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i agree with the healing skill. and to some degree the pet skill but as i said the pets are what make the venos diffrent. that ain't gonna changearcher have crits and long range but not that far of a range and crits don't really help sometimes if its a meele mob.
the ponit of an archer is to keep them at a distance. their skills help them with that very well. and if you start attacks with powerful skills like take aim you have them at least half way dead. follow that up with frost arrow or aim low and the mobs will be dead before they even get to you and if they get a bit to close knock em back. and if they still get a bit to close then kite. altho they rearely get to the point where i have to kite them. archers and wizards are entirely possible and i would even go so far as to say easy to play. you just need to use proper tactics. i'll admit a wizard is hard to begin with, but after a certain point it will start to shine0 -
They do not do it because neither class needs a Pet. Both Archers & Wiz should be able to kill anything before it reaches them except for some bosses. Veno is not strong enough by herself to do that so she needs the additional help of her Pet. Otherwise the Wiz would essentially be a Super Veno unless they did not get the Pet Heal/Revive skills in which case sorry about your luck if your pet takes damage or dies.0
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Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »They do not do it because neither class needs a Pet. Both Archers & Wiz should be able to kill anything before it reaches them except for some bosses. Veno is not strong enough by herself to do that so she needs the additional help of her Pet. Otherwise the Wiz would essentially be a Super Veno unless they did not get the Pet Heal/Revive skills in which case sorry about your luck if your pet takes damage or dies.
thank you b:victory0 -
i agree they do need some sort of pet that can attack. archer have crits and long range but not that far of a range and crits don't really help sometimes if its a meele mob. Also both wiz and archers die to easly when they're attacked 3 hits dead...or at least GIVE THEM A GOOD HEAL! every class got one cept archer <<
Um...Get your Range Mastery up...Archers have INCREDIBLE range and should have NO problem killing a monster before it arrives unless their weapon is horribly out of date. Also, you have the best damage reduction skill in the game which also keeps you in full Mana meaning you never need Mana Pots. Also Barbarians do not have a Heal Skill either so it is not just one class.
PS: Mage Venos also die in 1-3 Hits from normal mobs LOL but not so much for us Foxes.0 -
If I can get purify and have it work on my pets... and stone barrier skill.. and the mdef/pdef buffs clerics get.. and iron heart.... and dragon breath, and BB... and distance shrink.... And the matk and patk buffs, and HP buff... than sure
Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »If I can get purify and have it work on my pets... and stone barrier skill.. and the mdef/pdef buffs clerics get.. and iron heart.... and dragon breath, and BB... and distance shrink.... And the matk and patk buffs, and HP buff... than sure
LOL that'll just make the "VENOS NEED TO BE DUMBED DOWN CLUB" furious. b:laugh
i forgot all about winged shellxD that is one kick@$$ skill, however (you guessed it) i don't use it much due to the fact that again mobs can't touch this
*cue MC hammer's can't touch this.* anyway this skill can take damage that would normally be around 120 and reduce them to 20 point of damage (my archer isn't high level.) also like to point out other skils like their lighting spells and wing pledge, which do max damage even at close range. in addition, i've been told that there is a genie skill that slows the target down, not sure if that can be stacksed but if it can, well you can just imagine the implications.0 -
outlawarcher wrote: »LOL that'll just make the "VENOS NEED TO BE DUMBED DOWN CLUB" furious. b:laugh
i forgot all about winged shellxD that is one kick@$$ skill, however (you guessed it) i don't use it much due to the fact that again mobs can't touch this
*cue MC hammer's can't touch this.* anyway this skill can take damage that would normally be around 120 and reduce them to 20 point of damage (my archer isn't high level.) also like to point out other skils like their lighting spells and wing pledge, which do max damage even at close range. in addition, i've been told that there is a genie skill that slows the target down, not sure if that can be stacksed but if it can, well you can just imagine the implications.
Thank for reminding me.. I also want wingshell and plume shell, please and thank you Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
every person that keeps suggesting other classes have fighting pets is stupidFPW > PWI b:victory0
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yes they have skills to keep em at a distance. but they require alot of mana, so to fight continiously u need alot of mana pots. and the other classes don't0
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Prediction - Lost City wrote: »every person that keeps suggesting other classes have fighting pets is stupid
I'd just like a spell to summon Prediction to my side. Shes a beast! b:victory0 -
... venos are basically an unfair class.
I dont think ive found many people that disagree.
The suggestion shouldnt be to give other classes pets.
it should be to give venos some sort of restrictions on their pets.
try to level the playing fields. Because lets face it - venos are just too easy!0 -
Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »... venos are basically an unfair class.
I dont think ive found many people that disagree.
The suggestion shouldnt be to give other classes pets.
it should be to give venos some sort of restrictions on their pets.
try to level the playing fields. Because lets face it - venos are just too easy!
Until you play one than come to our forums asking questions non-stop and wondering what you are doing wrong because you are not rich nor that strong, as you believe you would be...Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
... :P nope it's true, plenty of venos have agreed with me.
especially high level ones.
I mean come on a skill to replenish mp =P
get a tank pet & lets face it, theres nothing you cant beat.
I know level 40 venos that claim they can kill level 90 mobs.
I presume they arent lying =P
surely that is proof enough that they're easy.
wiz is considered the hardest class, veno is considered the easiest class. It's a common opinion - not just mine.0 -
Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »... :P nope it's true, plenty of venos have agreed with me.
especially high level ones.
I mean come on a skill to replenish mp =P
get a tank pet & lets face it, theres nothing you cant beat.
I know level 40 venos that claim they can kill level 90 mobs.
I presume they arent lying =P
surely that is proof enough that they're easy.
wiz is considered the hardest class, veno is considered the easiest class. It's a common opinion - not just mine.
So lets do the math. A level 40 veno can spam heal a pet and take 5 minutes to kill a level 90 mob, and get 600 xp, 150sp, and maybe 200 coins.
You can kill 30 mobs your level in those same 5 minutes, make 30 x 300 exp, and 30 x 100 sp, and far more drops.
I am glad the veno is so much better than you are..... You made 9k exp and 3l sp in the same time the veno did 600 xp and 150sp.....
Lots of the things venos can do are like spandex..... Just because you can wear it does not mean you should.
Yes, and that common opinion usualy comes from people that never played venos.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
If you think one class is really OP, then go play that class. The only reason you wouldn't is because you already know that what you say is a lie, and when you actually play it, it won't be as easy. So why not just keep QQing and pretending?b:chuckle0
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mother if you really think that - then unfortunately :P youre a moron.
I dont play a game for it to be easy, what's fun in something being easy?
I like a challenge, having to think things out, plan them etc.
I dont play a veno specifically BECAUSE i know it will be easy and as such - less fun (for me anyway, maybe other people like easy stuff?)
And, jasmin, what relevance does that have?
the point has nothing to do with what they get out of killing the mob.
the point is that they CAN kill the mob, when it's clear that the mob should be much much stronger than the veno.
the veno shouldnt be able to beat it.
what she gains from killing it is irrelevant.
also the opinion is a common one, even among venos, especially the high level ones.
In fact i've only ever met one veno that didn't think so.0 -
Each class has an ability that makes it unique. That's the point of having different classes. Trying to cross that boundary is a futile effort, you're wasting your time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »And, jasmin, what relevance does that have?
the point has nothing to do with what they get out of killing the mob.
the point is that they CAN kill the mob, when it's clear that the mob should be much much stronger than the veno.
the veno shouldnt be able to beat it.
what she gains from killing it is irrelevant.
also the opinion is a common one, even among venos, especially the high level ones.
In fact i've only ever met one veno that didn't think so.
If what she gains is irrelevant, how do you propose the game gets balanced?
I showed you, using your example, that you make 30 times the exp and sp than the veno makes in the same amount of time, and you still say the veno is far supperior to you in the game?
If it was that easy for level 40 venos to kill level 90 mobs, you would see them all over those high level areas, and the fact is, you never see any there.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
lol this would KILL the point of "EVERY CLASS HAS ITS ADVANTAGE" archers have tramendous crit rates..major range and knock back arrow to keep there targets away...Mages have movement slowin skills...master 3/5 elements so they can kill most the mobs quick cause there skills have the "element" advantage and they as well have knockback skill...veno's dont have good defense skills to keep them alive like mages an archers have, our defense is our pet...FYI i do play a veno before people start sayin "your an archer"0
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jasmin... seriously youre making me facepalm.
What they gain out of killing them, is irrelevant, the exp they get from it changes nothing.
Yes they would be better off killing monsters of their own level if they are going for exp.
But that isnt the point at all, the point is that the veno class is the only class that could kill a level 90 mob at level 40.
Because the level 90 is much stronger than all other classes.
the point is that the veno can beat a monster that noboy else could.
And you can say what you want about "venos being weak without their pets" but that too is pretty irrelevant because a veno never really has to be without their pet.
^ i could of guessed you were a veno :P
but :P your pet is the ultimate skill, the mob never even gets to you, as long as it doesnt die straight away. And even if it does then it's given you ample time to run away.
The pet is an unfair defense =P its like having your own personal tank.0 -
ever class has its advantages and disadvantages, just there arent many disadvantages to being a veno.
I think at the very least venos shouldnt have a heal/ transfusion skill - definitely not an mp restore skill!
the transfusion skill is more appropriate for wizards & clerics if you ask me.0 -
Thank you for saying what probably every veno was thinking (I don't want to think about the consequences if a veno had said that). The whole point of venos is that we use pets to both tank and attack for us. Giving other classes combat pets would make most venos useless since venos do **** damage compared to other mage classes.Prediction - Lost City wrote: »every person that keeps suggesting other classes have fighting pets is stupid
Reason why venos can solo mobs much higher level than themselves is because venos are what you get when you take a weak barb, weak wizard, and a pinch of a cleric, toss them into a blender, and make a new class from the pieces. Reason venos can kill higher level mobs is because their pet attacks while the veno just spam heals while tossing in an attack every now and then. Take a level 40 barb and cleric to one of those level 90 mobs and see if they can beat it with the barb tanking and the cleric doing nothing but healing (I'm sure they could).Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »jasmin... seriously youre making me facepalm.
What they gain out of killing them, is irrelevant, the exp they get from it changes nothing.
Yes they would be better off killing monsters of their own level if they are going for exp.
But that isnt the point at all, the point is that the veno class is the only class that could kill a level 90 mob at level 40.
Because the level 90 is much stronger than all other classes.
the point is that the veno can beat a monster that noboy else could.
And you can say what you want about "venos being weak without their pets" but that too is pretty irrelevant because a veno never really has to be without their pet.
^ i could of guessed you were a veno :P
but :P your pet is the ultimate skill, the mob never even gets to you, as long as it doesnt die straight away. And even if it does then it's given you ample time to run away.
The pet is an unfair defense =P its like having your own personal tank.
Well, seeing as how this topic was suggesting that wizards and archers also have pets to attack and tank for them, I fail to see how it's irrelevant. A wizard with it's godly magic attack and a pet to tank for it would make venos pretty much useless (of course, they would need to have the heal, tame, and revive pet skills otherwise they'd be completely dependent on venos for their pets) except for the odd fox form veno here and there. Pets just wouldn't work for archers unless they either put points into mag or PW makes the archer's pet heal based on physical attack instead.
I love the fact that so many people assume that venos never get hit because they have a pet to tank for them. Obviously a good veno learns how to not steal aggro from their pet but mistakes are made. Other ranged classes have their own ways of keeping mobs away (frost and knockback arrow and winged blessing for archers; gush distance shrink, and will of the phoenix for wizards; clerics only have great cyclone at lower levels but their heals and buffs somewhat make up for it). Generally, anyone who plays their ranged class (archers, wizards, venos, and clerics) well shouldn't (in theory) get hit very often.Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »ever class has its advantages and disadvantages, just there arent many disadvantages to being a veno.
I think at the very least venos shouldnt have a heal/ transfusion skill - definitely not an mp restore skill!
the transfusion skill is more appropriate for wizards & clerics if you ask me.
Again, venos are twisted freaks of nature made from the stitched together remains of other classes. Can't do any of their jobs better than the individual classes but the fact that it's all wrapped up in one neat little package means that they can do a lot of things one single class can't.
Also, you can take the hp and mp heals but don't you dare touch the soul transfusion. b:angry
This is a little longer than I'd intended. How about we just agree that venos were designed with beginners and little boys going through puberty in mind?Meh, saw a couple other people doing this so...
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^ i'll accept that.
Yeah i still think they're unfair, but i suppose if they were intended for beginners then well it makes sense for them to be easier.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »If I can get purify and have it work on my pets... and stone barrier skill.. and the mdef/pdef buffs clerics get.. and iron heart.... and dragon breath, and BB... and distance shrink.... And the matk and patk buffs, and HP buff... than sureIceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »Thank for reminding me.. I also want wingshell and plume shell, please and thank you
Sure take all of that... as long as my arch get a nix.0 -
hmmmmm correct me if i'm wrong, seeings how i don't have a the means to try this for myself ATM. but isn't it impossible for a single level 40 veno to take down a level 90 mob without a hurc? really i just can't see a level 40 veno taking on a level 90 mob without one.
if this is indeed true, then cut venos some slack. do you know how freaking hard it is to get a hurc or nix? you either shell out 190- 200 real life cash, or you pay 20 mil in game coin (altho it's higher now since the price of gold sky rocketed a few days ago.) in addition to that, they must level that pet up from level 1, not a fun thing if you happen to be level 60+ i would imagine.
and as i mentioned before, venos have the worst line up of spells compared to other mage classes. sure they have one water and fire spell but come on we all know those suck. hell even archers are better equipped in terms of element exploitation thay have 3 element attacks as well al tho the wood based DOT attack sucks. the blaze arrow can be helpful, and the fire arrow attack they have is good to, then of course you have frost arrow.
in my opinion , venos are almost always at a disadvantage (element wise) becos it seems as tho 80+% of the mobs are either, wood, metal, or water and the occasional fire (again i'm not sure about this this is based off the fact that out of all the quests i've taken as a veno, only a handful had earth mobs as targets). compered to those mobs you hardly ever see earth mobs for venos to make full use of their wood spells on. if my theory is right then venos deserve the soul tansfer and nature's grace due to the fact that they can't 3 hit like a wiz cos they rarely run into earth mobs (where as a wiz can exploit fire, water and metal mobs weakness), they must use more mp firing away at a mob that has a defensive advantage against their spells, end result, while a wiz can take down a metal mob in 3-5 hits, a veno has to cast as many as 10+ spells to do the job, using more mp than the wiz in the process. this is where the venos pets come into play. venos simply suck without their pets. they are NOTHING without them. they have no knock back or speed reduing spells like a wiz or archer, so how can they keep a mob at bay while casting spells? their pets that's how. maybe just maybe they should redo a veno's pet so it doesn't do damage, that way they can spam pet heal all they want but won't kill a mob, the pets can still have skills like roar to keep arrgo, while the veno deals the damage......but we know that won't happen lol.
now i strayed off topic completely just now just to show you how good (in a way) archers and wizards have it. if people are freaking out over venos with their sucky attacks and pets i would think that an archer or wiz with pets would make half of the players here quit the game.
after reading this post i hope you people don't view me as a sort of hardcore veno lover or anything. i'm just pointing out a few things that i believe justifies the venos having pets. i could be right, i could be wrong, i would like an experienced high level veno's opinion on the above theory.
on another side note, i would love to point out that when there is an fb to be beaten, venos are some of the most wanted classes out there. and more often than not, it's the very same people who bash on them.0
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