Desperate? Sale or Greed?

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  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Cy_clone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Every game goes down the drain once it gets old/stale, its only a matter of how soon.
    From 100k to 200k...the inflation of gold is just another stab that will see even more players give up for good. But hey, its not like PWE hasnt anticipated that already, they just wanna milk whatever they can before its too late.
    lemme spell it for you .


    Thanks for spelling that out. I like mass migrations.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sandvich - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    **** can NEVER replace PW.
    It's pay to play. There are a lot of F2P players in PW, who will buy cash items from time to time.

    Um, yes it can. People who cash shop shell out more money for this game than monthly subscriptions for P2P games.

    However, the advantage of paying for "FREE" to play games is that you can buy your advantages, where as subscription games you can't, and if you suck then you suck.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    hmm. i think i changed my opinion, this is greed, total greed.
    thanks for **** us PW ):
  • Sandvich - Dreamweaver
    Sandvich - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Um, yes it can. People who cash shop shell out more money for this game than monthly subscriptions for P2P games.

    However, the advantage of paying for "FREE" to play games is that you can buy your advantages, where as subscription games you can't, and if you suck then you suck.


    Believe or not, a lot of MMOs are slowly adapting not to give HUGE advantages for cash shop users. And yes, I do realize that people pay a lot for Perfect World, but, free game is free. If **** people **** up, people will end their subscription. If PWI **** up, people just won't buy gold anymore.
    Either way, PWI will not die.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    I do not know... I may be missing something, but I believe everything which can be bought with coins can have equivalent somethings bought without coins and with time in game. I know I got my best stuff using in game coins and a lot of grinding (and this also seems to be true for my expected future purchases).

    I know of exactly one thing which does not "fit" in this category: guardian and spirit charms. And even they can be bought using in-game coins (you must consume auction house golds to buy them if you do not want to be buying them from other players, but other players often gives better prices on them than using auction house golds in the boutique).

    I know of another thing which I think seems to fit your rant -- refines. But I am convinced someone with some in-game cleverness and enough celestones can get decent refines without much of a gold investment. I will not describe my theories, however, because refining without orbs seems to be a competitive activity (with limited opportunities which everyone must share) and we already seem to have enough -- maybe too many -- players competing.

    Edit: Ok, I read their patch notes -- you were objecting about their cube of fate change? You know you can cat-shop chests... and cube coins chests are in no way game breaking.
    You have valid arguments, except they don't address my issues with the game. There isn't really a point in me explaining though; the people who understand already do, and the people who don't probably won't even if I explain it a different way. The rest of you will only post to spite me, which is fine also but I'm not going to spend time making the bait.

    Though just to clarify, I do not think the new changes made the game UNPLAYABLE. If that's the first thing you think I said, then it's already off track.
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  • MentalEdge - Heavens Tear
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sandvich - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Believe or not, a lot of MMOs are slowly adapting not to give HUGE advantages for cash shop users. And yes, I do realize that people pay a lot for Perfect World, but, free game is free. If **** people **** up, people will end their subscription. If PWI **** up, people just won't buy gold anymore.
    Either way, PWI will not die.

    What other games besides PWI have went that way?Because every other game i've played has been huge advantages to cs users.

    BTW people(since the point was raised),cube chests are going to do more harm to the gold market than any other cs sale or item will,you really think zen buyers will be able to keep up with the demand of cube goers every single day who will constantly need hammers?

    Prices will rise probably to the 200k mark lmao.
    Quit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What other games besides PWI have went that way?Because every other game i've played has been huge advantages to cs users.

    Cash shops as a general rule provide an edge to the paying players. There is, however, a fine line between blatant greed and "donation with benefits" shall we call it.

    And yea I've yet to see a game that didn't go down this path.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Sandvich - Dreamweaver
    Sandvich - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Cash shops as a general rule provide an edge to the paying players. There is, however, a fine line between blatant greed and "donation with benefits" shall we call it.

    And yea I've yet to see a game that didn't go down this path.
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What other games besides PWI have went that way?Because every other game i've played has been huge advantages to cs users.

    BTW people(since the point was raised),cube chests are going to do more harm to the gold market than any other cs sale or item will,you really think zen buyers will be able to keep up with the demand of cube goers every single day who will constantly need hammers?

    Prices will rise probably to the 200k mark lmao.

    Emphasis on "HUGE".
    PWI gives a HUGE advantage, and sometimes, even requires you to buy something to properly play the game. Other MMO are just slightly better items, and cosplay.
  • Eunuch - Dreamweaver
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Just wait until [removed] comes out, just wait until [removed] comes out, just wait until *** comes out, just wait until [removed] comes out, just wait until [removed]comes out blah blah blah heard it a million times and even said it myself some time ago. There's no such thing as the perfect mmo. Even if you change mmo you'll still be pissed off with the new game's faults so you might as well stop pining over it as if it'll solve all your gaming needs. MMOs are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to gaming genres. Whatever... I'll probably try [removed] for a month, bag the character and guild names that I want, and then maybe come back.
  • Hell_rayzer - Heavens Tear
    Hell_rayzer - Heavens Tear Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    im glad they actually made a sticky concerning the gold price and sales. I wonder tho if itll work.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Just wait until [removed] comes out, just wait until [removed] comes out, just wait until *** comes out, just wait until [removed] comes out, just wait until [removed]comes out blah blah blah heard it a million times and even said it myself some time ago. There's no such thing as the perfect mmo. Even if you change mmo you'll still be pissed off with the new game's faults so you might as well stop pining over it as if it'll solve all your gaming needs. MMOs are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to gaming genres. Whatever... I'll probably try [removed] for a month, bag the character and guild names that I want, and then maybe come back.

    You do that hon. It's not really my business. One less noob for me to worry about probably.

    No one said it's the perfect MMO. Some people just said, including me, that we don't give a rat's butt about this game anymore because we are looking forward to a BETTER game in the future.
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  • ahhao
    ahhao Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    You know they are getting desperate when they start banning forum accounts for naming other games. Oh, not to mention the censorship... lol
  • BlowMe - Harshlands
    BlowMe - Harshlands Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    FYI PWI ain't the only one doing it lol. Google reviews and you can see how much it will be impacting other mmos as well.
    PWI - retired.
    JD - retiring Sept 22nd.b:shocked
  • SnuglyZero - Sanctuary
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    ahhao wrote: »
    You know they are getting desperate when they start banning forum accounts for naming other games. Oh, not to mention the censorship... lol

    Most games do this as well. It's like advertisement, and that's just disrespectful. It's like going to a restaurant and going up to some other table and telling them the place across the street is so much better. PWI pretty much has the right to say "you don't like it, you can go else where" especially true when playing is free.
  • BlowMe - Harshlands
    BlowMe - Harshlands Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most games do this as well. It's like advertisement, and that's just disrespectful. It's like going to a restaurant and going up to some other table and telling them the place across the street is so much better. PWI pretty much has the right to say "you don't like it, you can go else where" especially true when playing is free.

    I think most people will Mid September lol, from whichever table they are sitting at.
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  • ahhao
    ahhao Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most games do this as well. It's like advertisement, and that's just disrespectful. It's like going to a restaurant and going up to some other table and telling them the place across the street is so much better. PWI pretty much has the right to say "you don't like it, you can go else where" especially true when playing is free.

    Yup if i dont like it i can go elsewhere, but i can still at least mention the name of whatever competitor there is isnt it?
    Do you get kicked out of MacDonald's just because you mentioned another burger chain?

    Edit: In fact, if a customer tells me he/she prefers to go to *** for cheese burgers instead what i should do is try to understand WHY he/she would want to do that and improve on mine, not tell him/her to gtfo.
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Gasoline - Lost City
    Gasoline - Lost City Posts: 304 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    You think they actually would make en effort to keep players from leaving to a certain "P2P game".

    But it seems like they just given up, spamming sales to get a last few bucks before games gets empty, pushing up gold prices to 200k each. Its sad to see ;(

    This patch is so terrible i cant believe it. I'm curios tho, is this sales + new cs **** items coming from PW1 or is it coming from a Beijing patch? I mean feels kinda lame blame Gm here if its totally out of their power.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    SnuglyZero - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most games do this as well. It's like advertisement, and that's just disrespectful. It's like going to a restaurant and going up to some other table and telling them the place across the street is so much better. PWI pretty much has the right to say "you don't like it, you can go else where" especially true when playing is free.


    To add: Game companies at times hire people specifically to maintain multiple personas on multiple forums for the purpose of influencing others. They may control ~50 accounts at a time and be very subtle. PWI pays for the hosting, maintenance, and moderation of this forum. It's their billboard for their game, not for others.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.

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