Veno's.. Overrated?
Shootuh - Sanctuary
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Yeah I think they are.. one hour ago.. Since the new update.
And I think this only apply in instances (TT, FBs, etc.)
Ever since the bless box it's kinda useless for a Herc to tank TT.. archers and BMs end up pulling like pie and no we won't wait till your Herc gets enough damage for us to start attacking.
I guess they are replaced by a tank and cleric now.
And I think this only apply in instances (TT, FBs, etc.)
Ever since the bless box it's kinda useless for a Herc to tank TT.. archers and BMs end up pulling like pie and no we won't wait till your Herc gets enough damage for us to start attacking.
I guess they are replaced by a tank and cleric now.
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Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »Yeah I think they are.. one hour ago.. Since the new update.
And I think this only apply in instances (TT, FBs, etc.)
I guess they are replaced by a tank and cleric now.
Bless boxes are awesome.. Hit so hard... But pull too much.
Yea they're just trying to kill all you archers out there.
Me? I'm using fists.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
ಥ_ಥ MOAR.
SkyKoC - How long is yours?0 -
Wow thanks for the tip.. fist archers FTW. xDD0
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Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »Wow thanks for the tip.. fist archers FTW. xDD
Oh yea, **** you archers with Annihilator of Souls.
Equip a +str ring and use Dark Flash.
Demon spark attack speed with archer crit% = GOOOODLY....**** I drew aggro with fists.
But you don't have to worry about fist aggro until you get demon spark :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
ಥ_ಥ MOAR.
SkyKoC - How long is yours?0 -
Ahaha awesome I'll keep that in mind. I'm scared to use my bow now.. o.o
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Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »Yeah I think they are.. one hour ago.. Since the new update.
And I think this only apply in instances (TT, FBs, etc.)
Ever since the bless box it's kinda useless for a Herc to tank TT.. archers and BMs end up pulling like pie and no we won't wait till your Herc gets enough damage for us to start attacking.
I guess they are replaced by a tank and cleric now.
They get improved pet heals?
And if you were not already waiting for them to get aggro you must not do much damage, or (or and) you have not spent much time in TT or/and you died a lot, and barbarians quite often also need some time to build enough aggro.0 -
Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »Yeah I think they are.. one hour ago.. Since the new update.
And I think this only apply in instances (TT, FBs, etc.)
Ever since the bless box it's kinda useless for a Herc to tank TT.. archers and BMs end up pulling like pie and no we won't wait till your Herc gets enough damage for us to start attacking.
I guess they are replaced by a tank and cleric now.
Venos pets are most prized for their damage on bosses in TT(besides luring)and a 10% increase in attack doesn't suddenly make every tom **** and harry pull like pie as you put it.Quit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »They get improved pet heals?
And if you were not already waiting for them to get aggro you must not do much damage, or (or and) you have not spent much time in TT or/and you died a lot, and barbarians quite often also need some time to build enough aggro.
Well I've spent a good time in TT and if you didn't read enough I mentioned the bless box. We archers have normal HIGH damage and now with the box we have MORE HIGHER damage. So meaning what.. we wait longer? With that said I'll like to say that barb's aggro skill is good to have in a TT and just make the cleric heal our barbs.0 -
Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »Well I've spent a good time in TT and if you didn't read enough I mentioned the bless box. We archers have normal HIGH damage and now with the box we have MORE HIGHER damage. So meaning what.. we wait longer? With that said I'll like to say that barb's aggro skill is good to have in a TT and just make the cleric heal our barbs.
What are you on?Herc was always useless at holding agro anyway on normal tt mobs nothings changed.Quit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet0 -
MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »What are you on?Herc was always useless at holding agro anyway on normal tt mobs nothings changed.
Haha yeah I have to agree.. I could pull from a veno with herc like levels higher than me. And now.. well with the bless they are useless. Well.. in instances anyway. xD0 -
Y halo thar captain obvious. Herc isn't a barb and never was. Sure it's nifty to off tank a mob or two but that's about it for normal mobs. It's no secret that it's aggro holding sucks, even with a lvl5 bash; it's your job to watch your damage output if you don't have a barb to tank normal mobs, or if you're too stupid to click the mob the barb's attacking if you do.
When it comes to bosses though, 10% damage increase isn't enough to steal aggro from herc on a ? boss. Even if it were, I guarantee you that a whole lot of barbs and clerics out there are grateful for the negligible repair and charm cost thanks to hercs when it comes to tanking bosses. That's not going to change.
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ill CAP the importetn parts:
you are on PVE server, try tell lvl 90 mage getting pked by lvl 80 nix that the veno overrated.
same in TW, the nix is the best weapon to take down the pullers, and the single most fearsome wep, i reather take on my lvl rival with WARSOUL WEP than take on my lvl NIX user, still think its overrated?
keep in mind that what a veno can do in dungen alone u need ep AND barb, atleast, and prolly the veno will finish sooner cuz the barb dmg sux. and ull need to share with the barb.
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Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »Y halo thar captain obvious. Herc isn't a barb and never was. Sure it's nifty to off tank a mob or two but that's about it for normal mobs. It's no secret that it's aggro holding sucks, even with a lvl5 bash; it's your job to watch your damage output if you don't have a barb to tank normal mobs, or if you're too stupid to click the mob the barb's attacking if you do.
When it comes to bosses though, 10% damage increase isn't enough to steal aggro from herc on a ? boss. Even if it were, I guarantee you that a whole lot of barbs and clerics out there are grateful for the negligible repair and charm cost thanks to hercs when it comes to tanking bosses. That's not going to change.
Fail thread.
I see where your going here.. but if you want a TT to last twice as long as they used to.. be my guest and get a veno to tank for you. If your going to work of a veno to do all the work while you waste your time sitting there waiting for the herc to get enough damage for you to attack and end up pulling anyways, go for it. I mean spending some money on a barb's repair would be nice if it makes a TT run go faster.
Or even better yet.. don't put the bless box on. You'll still pull of a veno's pet anyway.. So? What to do.. I say make the barb and cleric put on the bless box and do DD on the background. I'd do that.davijohans wrote: »ill CAP the importetn parts:
you are on PVE server, try tell lvl 90 mage getting pked by lvl 80 nix that the veno overrated.
same in TW, the nix is the best weapon to take down the pullers, and the single most fearsome wep, i reather take on my lvl rival with WARSOUL WEP than take on my lvl NIX user, still think its overrated?
keep in mind that what a veno can do in dungen alone u need ep AND barb, atleast, and prolly the veno will finish sooner cuz the barb dmg sux. and ull need to share with the barb.
FAIL THREAD
Read fool. I did mention INSTANCES not PK.. dayum brah.0 -
Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »I see where your going here.. but if you want a TT to last twice as long as they used to.. be my guest and get a veno to tank for you. If your going to work of a veno to do all the work while you waste your time sitting there waiting for the herc to get enough damage for you to attack and end up pulling anyways, go for it. I mean spending some money on a barb's repair would be nice if it makes a TT run go faster.
Or even better yet.. don't put the bless box on. You'll still pull of a veno's pet anyway.. So? What to do.. I say make the barb and cleric put on the bless box and do DD on the background. I'd do that.
Umm, TT bosses are ? level. That means every player suffers a 50% damage reduction. Every PLAYER, meaning veno pets are unaffected by it. With a level 5 bash and the damage from reflect (which isn't affected by herc's self-buffs) it generates more than enough aggro meaning you can dd to your heart's content, sparking and whatnot, without the fear of pulling aggro yourself. Even with the 10% blessing. So TTs won't last twice as long. They'll merely be 10% faster.
Again, I'm talking about bosses here. When it comes to normal mobs yes, you'll pull aggro even easier.b:dirty0 -
Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »Umm, TT bosses are ? level. That means every player suffers a 50% damage reduction. Every PLAYER, meaning veno pets are unaffected by it. With a level 5 bash and the damage from reflect (which isn't affected by herc's self-buffs) it generates more than enough aggro meaning you can dd to your heart's content, sparking and whatnot, without the fear of pulling aggro yourself. Even with the 10% blessing. So TTs won't last twice as long. They'll merely be 10% faster.
Again, I'm talking about bosses here. When it comes to normal mobs yes, you'll pull aggro even easier.
Yeah there are some true facts there.. I still say that barb and cleric are worth it and should replace venos in TTs, just use that 22m that venos supposedly use to buy a herc for repairs.. I mean.. just saying if you catch my drift.
Oh and thanks for the ? boss info, never knew that.. now I'll just keep slapping those bosses with my bullets.
All these talking about bless boxes just give me some tips on how to use em.. Remove them while fighting mobs and use em while on bosses.. duh. o.o0 -
Shootuh - Sanctuary wrote: »I see where your going here.. but if you want a TT to last twice as long as they used to.. be my guest and get a veno to tank for you.... dayum brah.
Yes, and I can totally see how your 10% damage bonus will make TT take longer...
This is the end of the world! THE SKY IS FALLING!
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to any venos who might read this, don't tank any more TT runs and see how fast they come crying for you to help0
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So one update that just came out yesterday has someone crying that an extremely powerful class is now "overrated" in the many, many, many different things this game has to offer because ... a herc can't hold aggro?
In the future, I would try to think before making such a ridiculously general (to the point of being inaccurate) statement for people to see.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Roll a barb on Sanctuary for hot cleric action. b:kiss0 -
b:laugh Yuppers nothing sure beats a barb at tankin but when barbs are in short supply a veno makes mighty fine replacement.
Fact:
Herc cannot hold aggro on mobs they just don't hit hard enough for bramble to let them keep aggro herc also has a very low attack at least compared to his replacement a golem. Like the good people said hercs bramble follows the same rules as hercs bash it does alot of damage to the boss so it keeps aggro. I've seen a level 80 herc hold aggro verus a 93 archer goin all out :O and barbs have issues doing that don't get me wrong a barb can do it but not a beautifully as a herc can. But the barb does have a better survivability rating for the party. Having the herc tank is only faster because it allows 6 things to DD rather then 5. But the time difference is negligible now with the buffs herc can tank a little better and have a chance of dying less but so can the barbs.
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the OP just hates venos.
Have fun pulling agro over the herc and dieing.Q - How to win on Perfect World?
A - Throw money at it.0 -
why rely on a pet and prance around throwing green light at things?
it just seems kind of lame. b:chuckle
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numba one stunna.0 -
Every class has their ups and downs.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a disproportionate amount of venos in the game and so the likelyhood of people not knowing how to play it well is higher than with other classes.0 -
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1.Venos have it easy.
2.Venos get blessing and dont have to fork out money to feed pets..lame.
3.they get ultimate pet and go at lvl 60 and under and grind on multiple mobs higher than they are..lame.
4.run tt and fb's solo grabbing money(good)but really pets can be exploits.
5.Distance in wich pets goes to long.
6.heals are to fast.
7. less money on pots and such.
8.lvl req on herc and nix should be 70 ..yeahb:bye
9.venos will cry about this.
Nah, it is no even worth to take the extra time to comment on it line by line:)Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
1.Venos have it easy. yeah i would say so compared to the other classes that Ive played
2.Venos get blessing and dont have to fork out money to feed pets..lame. No, but they do have to lay down...on LC server 800k-1mil for a blessing.
3.they get ultimate pet and go at lvl 60 and under and grind on multiple mobs higher than they are..lame. Only if they CS right away and that's a small amount of the population...well with this battle pack sale may have increased number of CS's
4.run tt and fb's solo grabbing money(good)but really pets can be exploits. Not all can be solo, plus the price of the mats and molds they are getting have dropped in price since many other venos have the same idea
5.Distance in wich pets goes to long. Not really, same amout as distance as any range class can attack
6.heals are to fast. Cleric heals are too fast too? Omg take out Ironheart
7. less money on pots and such. True..only pots i have is from mob drops. Plus you can just use veno skills
8.lvl req on herc and nix should be 70 ..yeahb:bye meh...
9.venos will cry about this.
Yay magenta...I have a veno alt btw[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
eatswithspoons "*roll eyes* real money for virtual property? That's definitely not allowed"
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IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »Nah, it is no even worth to take the extra time to comment on it line by line:)
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