Most Chi independent class?

Piliener - Lost City
Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
edited July 2009 in General Discussion
So, I have tried Veno, Cleric, and Mage. With all those I have found Mage to be the most chi dependent and Cleric to be the least. So, the thought came into my mind of all the classes which is the most chi independent and chi dependent?
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  • Drazo - Dreamweaver
    Drazo - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,187 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yeah, wizards lose half their decent skills without sufficient chi. b:beatup
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    veno is the less chi dependent cuz they do most pve situations by healing and using 2-3 base skills that don't require chi (meabe I should add cleric here)

    barb is the most chi dependent cuz they are obligated to use it while tanking, but other than that I don't use chi that much
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Fox Venos. No need for Skills at all, because they're weaker than your normal attacks due to channeling time. So, basically, it's all

    Step 1. Click Mob.
    Step 2. Send Pet.
    Step 3. Click Attack.
    Step 4. ???
    Step 5. PROFIT!
    Step 6. Heal Pet.
    Step 7. At Full Chi, Double Spark for MP.
    GOTO Step 1.
  • RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary
    RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Cleric's most powerful attack skill requires two full sparks. (for those of you who dont know, Tempest)

    Even tho not often used, one of Cleric's aoe requires one full spark (Sirens Kiss)

    Clerics Purify requires 20 chi.

    Clerics BB requires two full sparks.

    Clerics RB requires one full spark.

    Cleric's Guardian Light (79 protective skill) requires one full spark.

    Cleric's Wings of Protection (79 protective skill) requires 20 chi

    Clerics Plume Shell requires 20 chi, I believe.

    Clerics Elemental, Dimensional, Silent and Sleep skills all require 20 Chi.

    I think Wiz and Cleric are pretty matched up.
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  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yes in number of skills I would agree, but I think that Cleric can do a much better job at surviving w/o chi than a wiz. To clarify that's what I meant. How well can each class do without chi?
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Clerics Elemental, Dimensional, Silent and Sleep skills all require 20 Chi.

    I think Wiz and Cleric are pretty matched up.

    since when do elem and dimen seal require chi.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    ^^ Lol...they don't
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Cleric's most powerful attack skill requires two full sparks. (for those of you who dont know, Tempest)

    Even tho not often used, one of Cleric's aoe requires one full spark (Sirens Kiss)

    Clerics Purify requires 20 chi.

    Clerics BB requires two full sparks.

    Clerics RB requires one full spark.

    Cleric's Guardian Light (79 protective skill) requires one full spark.

    Cleric's Wings of Protection (79 protective skill) requires 20 chi

    Clerics Plume Shell requires 20 chi, I believe.

    Clerics Elemental, Dimensional, Silent and Sleep skills all require 20 Chi.

    I think Wiz and Cleric are pretty matched up.

    I barely use Tempest, but then again, I don't PvP. And I haven't had a chance to use BB yet. In fact, the skills that I use every day don't require chi at all. I get by fine with no chi. >_>
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  • Vidalaire - Heavens Tear
    Vidalaire - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Venos are the only class that have a skill to give others chi. That's all the proof you need that venos are the least chi dependant.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    archers only need it for frost arrow while leveling, theyre pretty chi independant. venos need it for soul transfusion, ironwood, and to give it to barbs, we do need it somewhat.
  • Vidalaire - Heavens Tear
    Vidalaire - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Archers also use Winged Blessing and Wings of Grace quite frequently to regen mana and keep them alive. Both of which need more chi than Ironwood. Soul Transfusion doesn't NEED chi. It just uses it if you have it. You can use Soul Transfusion with zero chi. The fact that we can afford to feed sparks to barbs proves how chi independant venos are.
  • Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear
    Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    personally i tank perfectly fine without chi, using an alacrity and surf impact nets 30 chi, add in 2 normal attacks and thats worth 2 flesh reams:D

    never have hada problem with chi while tanking
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    personally i tank perfectly fine without chi, using an alacrity and surf impact nets 30 chi, add in 2 normal attacks and thats worth 2 flesh reams:D

    never have hada problem with chi while tanking
    u didn't understand the thread
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  • Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear
    Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    i understandi t, asking who does best with little chi, i can start a tank on 10 chi, and continue it. i would put barbs as fairly chi independant, if you play the tank right and not just spam fleshream
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    veno is the less chi dependent cuz they do most pve situations by healing and using 2-3 base skills that don't require chi
    While it's doable that way, that's a really stupid way to play a caster veno. One of the base skills is Ironwood Scarab, which takes 25 chi and has a 10 sec cooldown. You want to use it every 10 sec because it's one of the best spells venos get in terms of damage/mana and damage/time. And at level 54+, it'll reduce mob pdef by 30% thus acting as a damage multiplier for your pet.

    Unfortunately, if you cast it every 10 sec and spam Venomous Scarab and your pet heal in between, you will not build up any chi. Those two spells generate barely enough chi every 10 sec to re-apply Ironwood. So if you play your veno as described above, yes technically you won't be chi-dependent since you'll barely have enough. But you won't build up any sparks to use on other skills or to give to the tank/cleric. You'll be bored to tears pressing the same 3 buttons over and over, your rate of killing stuff will be slower than it could be, and your party members will hate you for being selfish with your chi.

    You're better off using many spells other than the base 2-3. Some of them give more chi, some augment/defer damage so you don't feel obliged to keep Ironwood applied. Or you could tailor your pet skills to duplicate the debuff of Ironwood and trigger that manually (leave the aggro skill on auto).
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    one little mistake in your post, ironwood has 8s cool not 10.
  • RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary
    RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    since when do elem and dimen seal require chi.
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    ^^ Lol...they don't

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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    archers only need it for frost arrow while leveling, theyre pretty chi independant.
    Frost Arrow is only the most common use of Chi archers have.

    Aim Low, for instance, is a huge help. Want to keep something out of commision for a long time? Fire off a (leveled) stun arrow, knockback, and then (leveled) aim low. It requires a spark, which is more than worth it IMO for a freeze skill that starts at 90% effectiveness and stays there forever.

    Thunder Shock is useful against any wood monsters, increased defense monsters, or generally in conjunction with Lightning Strike. But its best use IMO is assistance for clerics (which comes into play when you grind with one alot like I do ;)).

    Stormrage Eagleon is pretty good IMO, even at lv1. I use it on increased def/life monsters because, combined with frost arrow, it makes the monster nearly immobile (combined 80% speed reduction). I also like to use it on bosses because not only does it apply a large amount of damage over time (ensuring you don't take aggro from the tank), but the boss can't shrug it off quickly like it can shrug off bleed, poison, etc.

    Winged Shell is another option a lot of archers seem to overlook. I've seen archers whose entire strategy revolves around using winged shell and then just taking hits... depending on the monster, it can work well and be very thrifty on the MP.

    Wings of Grace and Barrage don't have too many uses, IMO (unless, in the case of the latter, you like to zhen). But yeah... my point is, an archer's chi isn't vital, but it's far from expendable too. :P

    EDIT: On the other hand, while grinding on flying monsters, frost arrow is pretty useless. So in that case the archer might be more chi-independent, depending on your playing style.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    wizards are chi dependant
    we cant even buff ourselves without chi...
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
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  • Emerahl - Dreamweaver
    Emerahl - Dreamweaver Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    We can buff ourselves with Frostblade :P

    ... and then melee mobs many levels lower b:sad
  • DevoL - Lost City
    DevoL - Lost City Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    i just use chi for winged shell once and a while and maybe double spark on a increased life mob other then that i never use chi

    other then wizard i think BMs need chi for aoe grinding and stunning o.o
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  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Ahh Frostblade the single most useless buff for the class using it.
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  • Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    Ahh Frostblade the single most useless buff for the class using it.
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  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tequila_wolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i understandi t, asking who does best with little chi, i can start a tank on 10 chi, and continue it. i would put barbs as fairly chi independant, if you play the tank right and not just spam fleshream

    Yet in PK barbarians need 2 sparks to actually kill someone.


    But to the OP, I think wizards are the most dependent on chi while venomancers are the least.
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Venos seem to manage fine without it. Iornwood is nice, but point and click at enemy, spam venomous, heal pet, next, works effectively on the majority of mobs.

    I find as a BM I eat through chi, purely because of diamond sutra. Of course marrows provide a nice 20 chi charge per 10 seconds.
  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »
    Yet in PK barbarians need 2 sparks to actually kill someone.


    But to the OP, I think wizards are the most dependent on chi while venomancers are the least.

    Oh I'm just an OP to you now I see how it is *humph*. b:chuckle

    What about BM I haven't heard much about them?

    ^^^^^

    Stop posting answers before I post questions lol
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    BMs are very chi dependent. Two words: Diamond Sutra.
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  • Vidalaire - Heavens Tear
    Vidalaire - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yeah but BMs can build chi while doing pretty much anything courtesy of those marrows.
    Ahh Frostblade the single most useless buff for the class using it.

    True, but at least your buff isn't actually harmful to you. The reflected damage from Bramble generates aggro. As a mage veno, if I'm being meleed, the last thing I want is aggro.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yeah but BMs can build chi while doing pretty much anything courtesy of those marrows.
    That's a very inefficient process due to the fact that they have a cooldown (15sec? 20sec?)... only useful when the BM is running long distances. Actually fighting something is much faster since you get chi with every hit.

    Using a marrow before each fight might help, though.

    EDIT: Basically my BM relies heavily on Diamond Sutra, with a little bit of her lv59 skills on the side - particularly Drake's Breath Bash on Increased Defense monsters. So she does get it back, yeah, but her chi is constantly in a state of flux.
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  • U_got_sniped - Lost City
    U_got_sniped - Lost City Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Stormrage Eagleon is pretty good IMO, even at lv1.

    MJ would start dancing in his grave if he heard thatb:shocked.


    on topic. i use a **** load of chi against HA. thundershock(45) winged shell(45) aim low (1spark) wings of grace (1spark)...and thats for starters

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