What is the "base magic damage" mentioned in nearly all attack skills?

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convectus
convectus Posts: 16 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Wizard
Say, the damage dealt by a lvl 10 Glacial Snare is:

Base magic damage + 300% of weapon damage + 4880.1

So, is this base damage the magic attack given by your MAG only, nothing else considered?
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  • Rinnve - Lost City
    Rinnve - Lost City Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    Its your magic attack you can see in stats window.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »
    Its your magic attack you can see in stats window.

    but frostblade gives a % of your base magic attacks and i dont see BMs **** everything in their path with it.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
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    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    but frostblade gives a % of your base magic attacks and i dont see BMs **** everything in their path with it.
    Water element which probably doesn't even work with skills.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    hmmm kk
    wondering why though
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • convectus
    convectus Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »
    Its your magic attack you can see in stats window.

    all gear and weapon included?
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    convectus wrote: »
    all gear and weapon included?
    Press C, open eyes, look at the range. It's literally that.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    Frostblade only works on auto attacks, and blademasters use skills.
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  • Rinnve - Lost City
    Rinnve - Lost City Posts: 473 Arc User
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    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    but frostblade gives a % of your base magic attacks and i dont see BMs **** everything in their path with it.
    AFAIK it gives them % of THEIR base magic attack which is pretty low; also, percentage itself isn't really great. But i've seen some archers and bms asking for highlvl frostblade so i suppose it gives something valuable.
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  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    Incorrect, Rinnve. It's a % of caster's matk added. However, not many of them actually use autoattack so the bonus isn't that good. It's just something so they can hit a bit more while waiting for skills to cooldown 'n schtuff.
  • Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    It gives a % of their weapon damage to normal attacks.

    Good for archers.
  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
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    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It gives a % of their weapon damage to normal attacks.

    Good for archers.
    Breathe an icy breath onto a squad member's weapon allowing
    giving their normal attacks extra Water damage equal to
    12% of your base magic attack. Lasts 15 minutes.
    Quit.
  • Trawne - Lost City
    Trawne - Lost City Posts: 966 Arc User
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    Fireblood - Harshlands wrote: »
    Breathe an icy breath onto a squad member's weapon allowing
    giving their normal attacks extra Water damage equal to
    12% of your base magic attack. Lasts 15 minutes.

    If thats true why doesnt a level 10 BM 1 shot mobs if a 9x wiz puts it on them? b:question
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  • Guardgodess - Sanctuary
    Guardgodess - Sanctuary Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    frostblade, by the skill description, is a % of the wiz's matk. also, from my understanding, frostblade works the same way as archer's blazing arrow buff--only work on normal attacks.

    i have bm, barb and archer and from experience, bms and barbs do not benefit that much from this skill, as they are made to spam skills, which frostblade does not affect. on the other hand, you will see a significant difference in the archer's damage output with this skill on.
  • Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
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    Fireblood - Harshlands wrote: »
    Breathe an icy breath onto a squad member's weapon allowing
    giving their normal attacks extra Water damage equal to
    12% of your base magic attack. Lasts 15 minutes.
    BMs with no wep get no frostblade boost to their normal attacks. Check the descriptions from ecatomb and actually use the skill before you start acting like you know anything.

    "Append an icy breath onto the party member's weapon, allow the normal
    attack to have additional 12% of frost damage base on the
    equipment attack damage, last for 15 minutes."

    "Grants the biting power of cold to all allies.
    All weapons wielded by an ally are imbued
    with 12% water damage for 15 minutes."

    Which is more likely: every other version gets it wrong, or only PWI has a misleading description? Occam's razor says you're a dumbass.
  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
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    Trawne - Lost City wrote: »
    If thats true why doesnt a level 10 BM 1 shot mobs if a 9x wiz puts it on them? b:question
    That Sir I have no idea why.
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Check the descriptions from ecatomb
    That IS the description from ecatomb(pwi at least)http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php as well as the ingame description
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    and actually use the skill before you start acting like you know anything.
    I regularly spam this skill on all melee class during pvp/tw/grind so b:shutup
    Now maybe the in game description is wrong or maybe the skill is glitched idk cuz it does not function the way it should.Maybe it give % of their magic attack as water bonus unlike how it describes it.
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Occam's razor says you're a dumbass.
    Now thats outta the way should you further feel the need to prove you at least have an e-peen you can deposit your complains in the don't give a fk section, you can find this in the upper right hand corner the red X icon.
    Quit.
  • Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
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    Holy ****, you can read skill descriptions. Way to go, champ. Now try reading a forum post, maybe you'll learn something.
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It gives a % of their weapon damage to normal attacks.

    Good for archers.
    This is still true. You can test it yourself, even. It's not hard to do.

    Also, I said "descriptions". As in, more than one. As in, check what *all the other servers* say frostblade does. Oh gosh, they don't match the PWI description! I guess this basic skill must work differently for us than it does on any other licensed version of Perfect World.

    Or you're an idiot. One of the two.
  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
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    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I guess this basic skill must work differently for us than it does on any other licensed version of Perfect World.
    Fireblood - Harshlands wrote: »
    Now maybe the in game description is wrong or maybe the skill is glitched idk cuz it does not function the way it should
    and I did not disagree.
    Quit.
  • Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Miryalia - Sanctuary
    Miryalia - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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    I use Crown of Flame as a finisher and it also involves "base magic damage" but it does not do 3k damage (which is my matk value).
    Can't just the damage be reduced because mobs have magic def?
  • Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear
    Polyhymnia - Heavens Tear Posts: 269 Arc User
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    The mob's resistances always apply, reducing the damage you'd do. Try the skill on a horse or chicken in town instead.

    PS fireblood is still a dumbass b:cute
  • Rinnve - Lost City
    Rinnve - Lost City Posts: 473 Arc User
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    Miryalia - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I use Crown of Flame as a finisher and it also involves "base magic damage" but it does not do 3k damage (which is my matk value).
    Can't just the damage be reduced because mobs have magic def?
    Yeah, that's right. Just test it on 1-3lvl mobs in newbie locations. When you spark or 2-spark, low-hitting skills like pyrogram or even that crown of flames are much more powerful (relatively) than SS or GS; sparked ultimates are close to unsparked due to very high fixed damage. That's because sparks increase base damage but do not affect other parts of spells.
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