i learned something today!

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Chronicles
after talking to a friend and comparing it to things ive been discussing with LC archers, i realized, PVE players really dont know jack about PVP lol.

we had topics ranging from:
-sage vs demon archer (i think demon's better, she gave no reason why sage was, just that her bf was sage.)
-HA+robe vs LA veno (me on side of HA, yet again no defense for LA except that 'if you pay all that money to make the expensive HA build work, an LA could have used to make an even better build! ...no that doesnt work.)
-LA vs arcane wiz (after seeing the stat calcs they did for me, seeing arcanes hit 10k+ pdef and mdef, whats the point of gimping your mdef/matk in LA?)
-vit arcane vs LA (mathematically the vit can handle spikes better, the LA can tank continual dmg better. her defense was 'sage fox + la > all' despite the other bonuses to vit arcane, like the hp/matk. no that doesnt work either)

and in the end it was 'i prefer personal experience to #'s on paper of whats better.' even though she had no factual or mathematical proof to defend any of heer bologna.

i continued to discuss more with other popular PK'ers, even they didnt have very good input to add (shard wise, skill wise, or gear wise)... which leads me to the conclusion, these fools dont know **** about PVP.

PVE PLAYERS OFFICIALLY ARE NOOBS AT PVP. my friends proved it right :|.
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  • Shart - Dreamweaver
    Shart - Dreamweaver Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    In that case, it's good that they're PVE players and not PVP players. b:victory
  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    A lot of it might have to do with the culture of the server. I doubt there is much PvP talk on a PvE server.
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    OMG Tearvalerin's statements, they are always so damn right (sarcastic)
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  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    OMG Tearvalerin's statements, they are always so damn right (sarcastic)

    thanks you saved me from writingb:victory... keep up the good job xD
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  • Inias - Heavens Tear
    Inias - Heavens Tear Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    so your point?
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  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    But she may be rigth...

    Today I got ganked by one venomancer 5x, another veno 6x, a barb from level 6x, plus a level 80 BM.

    I manage to kill the Venos and the barb (just couldnt kill the BM), I give up on him and went away... if things were well donne I wouldnt kill anyone (maybe veno level 5x)... so yes, PVE players suck at pvp. But wait... I am a PVE player also xD does that means we still suck?
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I manage to kill the Venos and the barb (just couldnt kill the BM), I give up on him and went away... if things were well donne I wouldnt kill anyone (maybe veno level 5x)... so yes, PVE players suck at pvp. But wait... I am a PVE player also xD does that means we still suck?
    Of course it does. When it comes down to it we are all newbies. :)
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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I've never been satisfied by the PvP on PvE servers, so I'm not going to agree/disagree.

    However, I'm quite interested in the discussions you had about the topics you mentioned, especially demon/sage archer and arcane/LA mage. If you can share, I'd be much obliged.
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  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    sage vs demon archer...

    It's the same as sage vs demon anything. It depends on your playstyle. I'm full pvp and went sage because of the sage bonuses in skills and the basic sage benefits. I'd rather fight 2 BMs than 2 wizards, though. b:shutup But that's the way I like it.

    LA vs AR/HA vs LA...
    Same thing. Depends on playstyle. I've seen HA venos that **** in pvp, LAs that make people run for safe zone, and ARs that make people turn off pk mode.

    Whatever works for people. A lot of the pvp scene on HT are pretty competent and made a sound decision on what build they should go for. It shows because people run from them when they're around. But I agree with you, but only that so many people have no clue what they're doing. It doesn't matter what you do if you...well...suck at this game.

    But PVP server noobs (HL and LC) have no clue about PVP. When the **** hits the fan, they call big name factions or 200 friends. They cast "KoS" and QQ in world chat. It stifles the PK scene. Makes it all exclusive and not as fun. There are consequences for killing someone.

    On a PVE server, you have to fend for yourself or the small group of friends who go pvp mode. PVP noobs who think they know about PVP just because they're on a PVP server make me giggle.

    As I've said before, PVP server people wouldn't know real PVP if it took a dump on their face...which it usually does. They're too scared of the consequences.
    PvE...where we have actual TWs, PK fights, and sometimes fun.
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    There are people like that on both servers, but I feel like knowledge of PvP is necessary when you basically have to do it. LC is behind on some PvE aspects afaik.
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    -sage vs demon archer (i think demon's better, she gave no reason why sage was, just that her bf was sage.)
    so ? where's the bad thing in this, every1 can choose the path they want
    -HA+robe vs LA veno (me on side of HA, yet again no defense for LA except that 'if you pay all that money tob make the expensive HA build work, an LA could have used to make an even better build! ...no that doesnt work.)
    can't say much here but I agree that the HA is better, but LA is not that bad option at all so where's the problem
    -LA vs arcane wiz (after seeing the stat calcs they did for me, seeing arcanes hit 10k+ pdef and mdef, whats the point of gimping your mdef/matk in LA?)
    I don't know u but I don't think we can all get 99+ and endgame ger +11 with perfect shards very soon so why bother waiting, LA is a good choice
    -vit arcane vs LA (mathematically the vit can handle spikes better, the LA can tank continual dmg better. her defense was 'sage fox + la > all' despite the other bonuses to vit arcane, like the hp/matk. no that doesnt work either)
    *shrugs*
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  • DollParts - Sanctuary
    DollParts - Sanctuary Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Waterboy - Lost City
    Waterboy - Lost City Posts: 405 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Eunuch - Dreamweaver
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    You spoke with a few people and you're treating it like you conducted some kind of public survey. How does the limited sample you took represent the population spanning 3 servers?

    Besides, what diference does it make if pve players are noobs at pvp? They'd just be pvping against other noobs anyway. Not to mention that playing on a pvp server doesn't instantly qualify someone to offer an expert opinion either.
  • Sarugami - Sanctuary
    Sarugami - Sanctuary Posts: 251 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »
    But she may be rigth...

    Today I got ganked by one venomancer 5x, another veno 6x, a barb from level 6x, plus a level 80 BM.

    I manage to kill the Venos and the barb (just couldnt kill the BM), I give up on him and went away... if things were well donne I wouldnt kill anyone (maybe veno level 5x)... so yes, PVE players suck at pvp. But wait... I am a PVE player also xD does that means we still suck?

    I would say you got "ganked" since I don't see how or what the reason for 3 low lvl players ganked you....

    I was there at north gate when I saw your chat. According to what I saw the venos and the barb were the only one who attacked...bm didn't even try. Saw the veno chat saying you were picking on low lvl w/ white names at north gate (don't know how much of that is true). I'm leaning toward the lower lvl here since I don't see why 2-3 low lvls like them would go and pick on you.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yes pve server players do suck at pvp, but then again so do pk server players. I don't see anything new.
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  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I dunno about the PvE vs. PvP thing but it definitely sounds like the Op's friend does not know what she is talking about and I should know (being a Fox Veno and all).
  • Fats_mcfatty - Sanctuary
    Fats_mcfatty - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Fats_mcfatty - Sanctuary wrote: »
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    Its not actually baked.

    Would you quit it? Seriously every thread I've looked at you put food on. Its 1:37 am where I am and you are making me hungry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I wanted to post this elsewhere but decided not to but I have to now...

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  • MentalEdge - Heavens Tear
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes pve server players do suck at pvp, but then again so do pk server players. I don't see anything new.

    What makes you an authority on that?A noob dieing in pk room in cube while you're afk doesn't count.
    Quit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet
  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Please I'm on lost city and I've met plenty of players who are incapable of winning a fight against someone of their own level 1 vs 1. They either fight people 20-30 levels lower than them or bring 10+ people to win a fight. I won't name any names but I bet there are some one PvE servers that know more about PvP than they do.
    The only way to win is to quit. b:bye
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I don't see the difference in server as this is not a competive game some skills and 2 pets are very OPed.

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  • Fats_mcfatty - Sanctuary
    Fats_mcfatty - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    the mchotdog? Is that a for real item? I've never seen one... but for real... are they serving hot dogs now?

    it was at one time a real menu item.
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    PVE PLAYERS OFFICIALLY ARE NOOBS AT PVP.

    yay tear's a noob at pvp :D yay
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  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sarugami - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I would say you got "ganked" since I don't see how or what the reason for 3 low lvl players ganked you....

    I was there at north gate when I saw your chat. According to what I saw the venos and the barb were the only one who attacked...bm didn't even try. Saw the veno chat saying you were picking on low lvl w/ white names at north gate (don't know how much of that is true). I'm leaning toward the lower lvl here since I don't see why 2-3 low lvls like them would go and pick on you.

    then you saw it bad.

    I was at north gate when the level 6x veno started to attacking me for no reason (doh its pvp no one needs a reason), of course I figth back and 2 shooted the venob:pleased

    Then he joined forces with a barb level 6x to kill me. I killed both of then.
    After that another veno appears level 5x, with a Bm level 80, I went to a non safe area and they 4 joined forces against me. I killed everyone except the Bm.

    I am Carebear but I figth back, plus I dont give a dam about QQ in the chat from that veno.
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  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    flamebait topic if I've ever seen one
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