the "200$ pets" :3

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  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Attack rate and accuracy. I know that it's technically not equally strong, but the trade-off is mag def.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    attack speed is insignificant in short fights with a golem vs qingfu, thats all about the spike damage, golem kills mobs way faster.

    in a long fight...

    at .8 atk/s you can get in 48 hits, 36 at .6 atk/s, so in essence in 5 mins wed have
    (36 * 5) * 3240 = 583200 dmg
    and
    (48 * 5) * 2137 = 512880 dmg
    using their flat stats at 90, (although this is unrealistic due to pdef mitigation %'s and other things, itd still be the same result) the only pet to out damage golems in a long fight is A. Vericose Scorpion (higher attack same speed) and B. Herc (faster attack, better damage than qingfu)

    the qingfu is just a poor mans shaodu cub, and even then shaodus are still average pets.
  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Okay, here are the numbers for Qingfu VS Cryst Mag.

    Qingfu
    Rate: 0.8 x 5 secs = 4 hits
    Attack: 2137 x 4 = 8548

    Cryst Mag
    Rate: 0.6 x 5 secs = 3 hits
    Attack: 3240 x 3 = 9720

    Also, the Qingfu has higher accuracy giving it better chances at good hits.

    Again, I realize that it's not equally powerful, but the trade off is that its other stats are really good. Have fun at higher levels when the Magmiste fails to tank against a phys/mag mob. If someone wants the best attack damage they might as well just buy a herc/phoenix.

    EDIT: Shadou Cub has less attack and accuracy than the Qingfu but with the same attack rate. Plus, it's a rare pet. Qingfu is freely available at the beginning right outside Lost.
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  • kaka3hi
    kaka3hi Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That's what makes free to play games so great for the companies that run them. People will always be spending huge amounts more than they ever would for a pay to play. They'll buy things for themselves, they'll buy things to sell to other players, in the end all the players that don't directly spend real money get stuff from players who did.

    It all adds up to free games making more money than pay ones potentially.

    mmm , so what I thought was correct, p2p is actually cheaper than f2p heh ( if you were cash item user ) .
    I've met many cash item users who told me: " if you dont want to play in F2P , then gtfo and pay for a P2P mmorpg" , they dont realise they might actually end up with spending more money on a F2P than P2P heh...
  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaka3hi wrote: »
    mmm , so what I thought was correct, p2p is actually cheaper than f2p heh ( if you were cash item user ) .
    I've met many cash item users who told me: " if you dont want to play in F2P , then gtfo and pay for a P2P mmorpg" , they dont realise they might actually end up with spending more money on a F2P than P2P heh...

    Yes, most P2P gamers say that. I don't have any personal experience in P2P to back that up, but the high amounts of spending that some people do in this game definitely support your statement.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    The thing that makes a free game so great though is that you don't HAVE to pay at all. I've gotten at least 600 to 700 dollars in cash stuff in this game as my estimate, and I have yet to spend any real money at all. Free games rake in the cash big time, even from the free players. :p
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  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I guess the ultimate, uber, mega answer to the golem question is to get a Shadou Cub also since it has great phys and mag defense. That would require you to trade off between the two if you still wanted high phys tanking. I like the Qingfu because I only need the one pet. No, it's not the best, but neither are any of these pets. For that you would need a shop pet.
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  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    how do they do the same as golems damage wise? there is a huge difference in their attacks, with the golem being on top by a wide margin

    I currently have a Crystalline Magmite with all three herc buffs: Protect, Strong and Reflect. I've also tried out a friend's herc who was just two lvls below me. Don't have exact numbers but with normal attacks on FB79's Linus, her herc does 1.3k per hit; my "herc" does 2k per hit. Both have reflect though, so overall the Magmite does quite a bit more damage over time. Her herc had 3.6k HP when mine only had 2.7k. While I can still tank bosses like HH1-3's Shooting Star/Dimentora, two seconds of lag will mean failure, whereas a herc might be able to live that two seconds longer. Magic attacks that do like 1.4k on a herc does like 1.7k on my "herc". Anything that hits for 1.7k mag followed by a 1k physical (like FB89 Heaven's Fats once did) will two-hit my magmite, something a herc would be able to survive.

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  • Baraya - Dreamweaver
    Baraya - Dreamweaver Posts: 148 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tear was replying to me about Qingfus. You should read our little debate on this same page.

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  • kaka3hi
    kaka3hi Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    mm , 1 question... Is the pvp balanced with venom's cash item pets? People told me that basically venom with nix owns every classes and they have no opponents in 1v1 unless it is a massive group pvp, is it true? O.o
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Only when the veno fails at pvp and needs to abuse a broken skill to win. The Phoenix itself isn't anything special really.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaka3hi wrote: »
    mm , 1 question... Is the pvp balanced with venom's cash item pets? People told me that basically venom with nix owns every classes and they have no opponents in 1v1 unless it is a massive group pvp, is it true? O.o
    no its not true, its bull ****. venos are weak, very weak. bust melee moves or plume shot on it, and it dies.
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Only when the veno fails at pvp and needs to abuse a broken skill to win. The Phoenix itself isn't anything special really.

    Sure it's special, it's a very strong pet.

    However, as Tear said, venos themselves are highly squishy, and their magic attacks aren't terribly super.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I beg to differ. When I run around in TW doing my debuffs it often takes 3-4 at once to take me down. Thats with no hp charm.... A veno that knows what shes doing, doesn't die easy.
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  • MentalEdge - Heavens Tear
    MentalEdge - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    and even then, a magmite would have no room for any aggro skills if you tried to make it a herc wannabe, unless you rid of reflect for bash. to get hercs hp youd need blessing, and even with all those super buffs no pet even begins to compare to a herc. :|

    MAGMITE HP 2934 ATT 3240 DEF 8792 MAGDEF 5861 ACC 1354 EVA 1003 DPS 0.6 MOVSPEED 6.2

    HERCULES HP 4135 ATT 2672 DEF 8952 MAGDEF 7161 ACC 2297 EVA 1225 DPS 0.8 MOVSPEED 8.1

    HERC MAGMITE
    HP 4135 HP 2934
    ATT2672 ATT3240
    DEF22.5K DEF22.5K
    MAG17.5K MAG15K

    So you now have a pet that can cope with most squad mode bosses a herc can handle in tt's with a paltry 2.5k mag defence difference and a higher damage,less hp though.

    Replace magmites bash with blessing of pack and you get hp on par with hercules,but since you use this pet for mostly tt anyway it doesn't make much of a difference as agro will still hold on bosses,and it can do any boss hercules can.

    Pets don't compare to herc?I'd say with the buff skills added it compares very well,herc still beats it but not by much.

    Can do it with other pets too,so if you're rich,and hate hercules you can still make a herclike pet,so stfu from now on tear.
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alizeee - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What strange math........with 10-50 sof or feathers per pack it is 30.0 not 28.6 or anything other than 30.0- period. :) Oh well......I just wanted to make that obvious correction.
    Nope. If you follow the links you can see that the distributions are not even. There's a bias towards the lower numbers.

    As for wondering if the database is accurate: It is. I can verify this with personal experience, since I've opened hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of the darn things. My clicky-finger is sore!
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  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    actualy i think abusing bugs is banable so venos with nix with "you know which skill" should get baned b:sin
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  • TameThat - Sanctuary
    TameThat - Sanctuary Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alizeee - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What strange math........with 10-50 sof or feathers per pack it is 30.0 not 28.6 or anything other than 30.0- period. :) Oh well......I just wanted to make that obvious correction.

    You don't have the same chance of getting 10,20,30,40 or 50 Source of Force or Feather. You in fact have more chance to get the package with less Source of Force or Feather. This is why the average is 28.6 and not 30.
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    actualy i think abusing bugs is banable so venos with nix with "you know which skill" should get baned b:sin

    Please support your statement ... no GM have actually said that it was a "bug". It's working as it should be, if it's killing you, just too bad for you.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Working as intended. Riiiiiight.
    xarfox wrote: »
    Now regarding Flesh Ream. I'm going to sound like a broken record but I assure you all that we have expressed the PWI player base's sentiments regarding this skill to the development team and will continue to push for this to get fixed.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=2739521&postcount=24
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    because only the rich can afford it...rich in IRL money, or in game money. those of us who put every dime into skills for ourselves and pets, raising every skill ASAP, cant do this.

    nederlandse wrote: »
    something i've noticed, is everyone calls the herc and nix the "200$ pets"...

    where did this come from? i realize on sanc you can get SoF and feathers for 2-2.2k, but has anyone ever actually done the math?

    100$ if you get 50 items from EVERY battle pack
    500$ if you get 10 items from EVERY battle pack

    you will spend somewhere between 100$-500$...

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  • Eternalnub - Heavens Tear
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear Posts: 393 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    almost all people who cry about Flesh Ream are on PvE server....
    there is a reason why you are on PvE server..i would understand if LC or HL players were crying here about that skill..but noo..only PvE gangstas tsetse ^^
  • kaka3hi
    kaka3hi Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    -_-, they arent squishy as I seen from pvp , and heard from a venom with nix... she told me
    venom in foxform with nix is unbeatable in 1 v 1 b:shutup! .
    And about they are very weak... not even true from what I seen.., melee to get venom? The blazing chicken would be on your **** before you reach the venom...
    Cleric kills venoms with plum shot? Is that possible if the phoenix is on you?
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    almost all people who cry about Flesh Ream are on PvE server....
    there is a reason why you are on PvE server..i would understand if LC or HL players were crying here about that skill..but noo..only PvE gangstas tsetse ^^

    PvE server does not mean no pvp, it means no random ganks. There is plenty of real pvp going on.
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  • Eunuch - Dreamweaver
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Wtb motivational poster --> "REAL PVP - we has it"
    /sarc
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wtb motivational poster --> "REAL PVP - we has it"
    /sarc

    Hmm, wait until I'm in another TW, I'll make that poster. b:laugh
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  • Singsung - Sanctuary
    Singsung - Sanctuary Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Working as intended. Riiiiiight.



    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=2739521&postcount=24

    Imagine the QQ when it happens! b:chuckle
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Singsung - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Imagine the QQ when it happens! b:chuckle

    I can't wait to hear it.b:chuckle
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  • nederlandse
    nederlandse Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    huzzah! are you all even mentally capable of staying on topic?

    i'd like a moderator of GM to close this thread before it gets any further degraded into another flesh ream QQ thread. b:angry

    i got an answer to my original question...
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  • Eunuch - Dreamweaver
    Eunuch - Dreamweaver Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Singsung - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Imagine the QQ when it happens! b:chuckle

    Well, not to sound like another broken record, but the developers already heard plenty of QQ about it the first time they fixed it, which is probably why they "unfixed it" back again. But reading some comments on these boards, it seems ok when 5 out of 6 classes can oneshot, but not when all 6 can do it.
  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Eternalnub - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    almost all people who cry about Flesh Ream are on PvE server....
    there is a reason why you are on PvE server..i would understand if LC or HL players were crying here about that skill..but noo..only PvE gangstas tsetse ^^
    Zoe - Heaven's Tear wrote:
    PvE server does not mean no pvp, it means no random ganks. There is plenty of real pvp going on.

    This thread has degenerated into flesh ream and what server is better for PvP. -_-
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