Required skills to become a successful Wiz

SaintDominic - Sanctuary
SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Wizard
Is it necessary to obtain will of phoenix after getting ur first kiting skill...Distance Shrink?
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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yes, get both skills. I tend to use distance shrink while kiting magic mobs and Will of Phoenix to knockback phys mobs.
    Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Yes, get both skills. I tend to use distance shrink while kiting magic mobs and Will of Phoenix to knockback phys AND MAGIC mobs.
    zzz fixed


    Phoenix is a great skill, I got it to 8 at 71 and I've spammed it ever since.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I'm poor and can't afford to get phoenix up to a decent level
    b:surrender

    Should've noted that
    Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
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  • Pirodar - Sanctuary
    Pirodar - Sanctuary Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    It's not necessary, but it can make life easier (much easier).

    Some people fall in love with it, some don't.

    I didn't.

    I had it at level 1 for a long time and it was sufficient.

    After a talk with one wizard, who loved it, I leveled it and got disappointed. I have it at level 10 now but I try to avoid using it. It annoys me. Burns too much mana and it's range is simply frustrating. But it kind of works and there are situations You benefit a lot from having it.

    Get level 1. Then, If You feel like You have more important things to spend spirit on, than next level of WotP, You are probably right. If You fall in love with it You will know it.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    question of playing style.
    I love it, use it, not abuse it.
    Specially in 19-39 fbs is a joy.
    Then it's very usefull when fighting melee mobs, basically u will never ever get hit again after having WoP when fighting 1-2 mobs.
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  • Seraphim - Dreamweaver
    Seraphim - Dreamweaver Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Will of the Phoenix casts as fast as Gush but has alot more damage. The damage spike is invaluble in PVP/PK/TW.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    my gush outdamages my pyrogram and WotP b:shocked
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    will of the phoenix....well is a great skill for sure, more dmg than gush wiht same speed+knock back on mobs/pets, this is teh best dmg per second wizard skill for sure wihtout count the ultimates.
    anyway since it range suxs it is not so used like i would love to use but it still the biggest mage spike dmg.

    if we get 30m range isntant of 10meters this skill would be the main wizard skill for sure, 8sec cool time isnt that hight.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    It has a lot of uses in both PvP and PvE, I don't see why you wouldn't like it. During 7x I could easily kill metal mobs with DPyro-Pyro-Phoenix-Pyro without getting hit. It's use for melee mobs is similar. For bosses distance often doesn't matter, and then there's the AOE effect which can help when killing lower levels mobs in FBs. For PvP it's just a high damage nuke, one of the best weapons against other wizards too.


    And lol @ MP cost. If you use it right it could save you MP considering it does both damage and knockback and AOE. If anyone considers Phoenix a waste of MP you must HATE Force of Will, considering it does knockback without any kind of damage.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    You get every skill except for pitfall, crown of flame, and emberstorm.

    That is what is needed. I have level 10 pitfall though just for funzies.
  • Yeefong - Heavens Tear
    Yeefong - Heavens Tear Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    if u time it right u can use it to knock back magic mobs preventing them from casting their nasty magic ;) so it's useful for both melee and magic mobs. I normal start off with SS>gush>pheonix if not dead yet..cast a lil crappy spell like crown b:laugh
  • Pirodar - Sanctuary
    Pirodar - Sanctuary Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Well people do differ I guess :)

    Sure it has a lot of uses and I did use it and sometimes abused it or maybe even more abused than used at some point, but I didn’t like it as a grinding tool.

    It may have to do a bit with the fact, that my wizz is pure mag and I used gear maximizing my M attack for grinding, so getting away without it was easier I guess than if I had been in LA. I say I did, because I didn’t touch the game for the last week and I’m not sure I will.

    I explained what I hate about WotP somewhere already, but I can repeat myself, no problem.
    The range is too low to attack magical mobs from the distance they start their channeling. The consequence is that I have to move towards them and I hate it. I can’t help it. It’s just how I feel about it. For me it feels like taking ages. I never checked the actual amount of time it takes to get closer with a watch. It’s probably not that bad, but when it happens I want to scream. I prefer to watch my wizz channeling DP than moving towards the mob. Maybe it would be better if I were in US and had low ping and lag, but sadly I don’t. My ping is high and another effect I observe is that after my wizz gets in the range he doesn’t start channeling instantly, but stops for some time. It’s like he was checking if he is indeed in the range. Once again, it may be just a fraction of a second, but it’s noticeable and during the battle it feels like taking ages. Because of those delays I can avoid being hit by magical mobs with WotP in 80% - 90% of cases. It sucks. If I had to use WotP for every single mob during grinding I would dump that wizz 15 levels earlier.

    If You compare mana cost with FoW, then sure WotP is more efficient (but often less reliable due to the reasons stated above), but I avoided using FoW just like I avoided using WotP for grinding. When I killed Aurum Specters I used DP -> gush -> pyro -> gush and I didn’t get hit 90% of a time. I did get hit only if I started at lower distance or something spawned next to me in a bad moment or I screwed in some other way. Before I hit 83 I killed butterflies. At first with DP-> gush -> pyro -> gush and later with just pyro -> gush -> pyro -> gush. I got hit sometimes but not too often. I could avoid 80-90% of those hits with WotP but it was much more efficient to use Morning Dew once every few of them, than to use WotP regularly. When I used pyro -> gush -> pyro -> gush and occasionally some heal I could go almost non stop without any pots. Just the regen form barrier and buff and some mana from double spark. With WotP I would burn my mana in no time. I had no problems with WotP when killing melee mobs, but those are inefficient by definition, because they have increased HP. I killed those only when I had to
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Haiz - Lost City wrote: »
    You get every skill except for pitfall, crown of flame, and emberstorm.

    That is what is needed. I have level 10 pitfall though just for funzies.
    Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well people do differ I guess :)

    Sure it has a lot of uses and I did use it and sometimes abused it or maybe even more abused than used at some point, but I didn


    edit: wow... that was weird, typed up something really super smart & it all disappeared when i posted... whatev just forget this post :P
  • Pirodar - Sanctuary
    Pirodar - Sanctuary Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yeah happened again. I'm sorry.

    I used Word again, but I really tried to get rid of the junk and paste plain text this time. Even the notepad hates me.
  • Cheaper - Heavens Tear
    Cheaper - Heavens Tear Posts: 128 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    You need all your skills as a wizard, even crown of flame has some use(ie. mark your target, annoy someone, other fun stuff which requires lvl10)

    Just can't max them all out at the same time, so pick what you use the most first.



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    omg im posting stuff.
  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Cheaper - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You need all your skills as a wizard, even crown of flame has some use(ie. mark your target, annoy someone, other fun stuff which requires lvl10)

    Just can't max them all out at the same time, so pick what you use the most first.



    typing is work D:


    I agree with this, I've maxed out crown of flame and pitfall. Its nice to be able to use them in an FB or instance to help out. Especially if my healing skills are needed. I can do good damage that way. Not as much if I was using other skills but these definitely help. I LOVE WOF... I get it every time its available. It does damage and knockback. I rarely get hit at all when just out grinding due to this skill.
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  • Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear
    Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    I expect will of the phoenix will beat ultimates for damages per seconds because ultimates need so much channeling time.

    Until you get past 89 fb, this is true. Then you can get full spark, use sutra (down to 1 spark), then the level 5 apothecary chi item to get a spark and a half (up to 2.5k spark), then unleash ults, and whatever else you can fit in the time frame.

    As for WoP: YYYYEEESSSS
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  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Until you get past 89 fb, this is true. Then you can get full spark, use sutra (down to 1 spark), then the level 5 apothecary chi item to get a spark and a half (up to 2.5k spark), then unleash ults, and whatever else you can fit in the time frame.

    As for WoP: YYYYEEESSSS

    Mmm no.
    399 chi -> Sutra -> Gush/Pyro/any skills -> ult.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    tsk amour that isnt how you do it

    399 chi > sutra > sandstorm > mounain seize > pwnage
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    tsk amour that isnt how you do it

    399 chi > sutra > sandstorm > mounain seize > pwnage
    lol sandstorm, why the hell would you fit a skill which such a long cast time in sutra at 89+?
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • WitchBurner - Sanctuary
    WitchBurner - Sanctuary Posts: 1,394 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    My current sutra,

    Undine > Sutra+Genie spark > Divine pyro > Crown of flames > Pyrogram > Divine Pyro.

    PvE that hits around 40k altogether.... against Mag res mobs.
    Currently flying internet spaceships around dodixie, moving to amarr soon.

    Send me a mail if you wanna ask/request anything

    Sanctuary's retired king of wizards alongside queen Saintblu.
  • Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear
    Tsuyoginos - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Also for stronger melee mobs:

    Gush/Pitfall (I never leveled the latter past 2 or 3, i forget), Will of the Phoenix, Turning around, Distance shrink, Whatever spell will kick the monster's **** before it gets to you. Repeat as necessary/needed.

    Also, stone barrier XD
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