the "200$ pets" :3

nederlandse · July 2009

something i've noticed, is everyone calls the herc and nix the "200$ pets"...

where did this come from? i realize on sanc you can get SoF and feathers for 2-2.2k, but has anyone ever actually done the math?

100$ if you get 50 items from EVERY battle pack
500$ if you get 10 items from EVERY battle pack

you will spend somewhere between 100$-500$...

curious on the backstory to this nickname

Jonnykins - Dreamweaver · July 2009

Its been done before few threads too.

The average cost is about $200~ hence the name

nederlandse · July 2009

so if i were to actually drop RL cash, i would tend to spend right around 200$?

<.<;

kinda takes some real dedication for somethin like that b:surrender

eatwithspoons · July 2009

nederlandse wrote: »

so if i were to actually drop RL cash, i would tend to spend right around 200$?

<.<;

kinda takes some real dedication for somethin like that b:surrender

I know people who have just ground the money in game and used to to buy gold, it may take a while but heck, it makes it free!

nederlandse · July 2009

b:laugh true, but i wasnt tryin to bash it

Desiree - Harshlands · July 2009

I recorded the results of 370 battle packs in a text file but can't find it right now ; / All I remember was for the first 200 battle packs (my first "round"), the average was 24.7. For the second 170 battle packs, it was 26.4. Overall, the average was roughly 25 per pack. 10 000 / 25 = 400. At 50 silver per pack, thats 200 gold or $200. My only "interesting" conclusion from my data collection was the order of most common feathers/sources per pack: 20, 10, 40, 30, 50. Lots of 20s and 10s, surprising number of 40s but very, very few 50s. This, of course, may just be the factor of chance as my dataset was extremely limited.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · July 2009

Also you can go half-half. Buy a chunk of phoenix feathers/source with real money, then grind the rest and buy it with coin. Considering pwi makes it so easy to get hold of gold ingame, cash shop pets are accessible even to those who play for free.

22m isn't actually all that expensive compared to certain classes best end-game equips, it's just people want them at really low levels where even 1m is a lot and a magmite can take on pretty much anything.

nederlandse · July 2009

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also you can go half-half. Buy a chunk of phoenix feathers/source with real money, then grind the rest and buy it with coin. Considering pwi makes it so easy to get hold of gold ingame, cash shop pets are accessible even to those who play for free.

22m isn't actually all that expensive compared to certain classes best end-game equips, it's just people want them at really low levels where even 1m is a lot and a magmite can take on pretty much anything.

<-off topic->

correct me if i'm wrong, but cant a crystilline magmite (with skill modification) take you thru the whole game?

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear · July 2009

nederlandse wrote: »

<-off topic->

correct me if i'm wrong, but cant a crystilline magmite (with skill modification) take you thru the whole game?

You could probably get through most of the game with your starter Pet for that matter. The Herc and Nix just makes it easier and your char more desirable in Factions and squads.

Mosz - Heavens Tear · July 2009

nederlandse wrote: »

<-off topic->

correct me if i'm wrong, but cant a crystilline magmite (with skill modification) take you thru the whole game?

the skills you mention are quite rare from a weekly pvp enabled crowded event and the scrolls would run you the cost of a herc

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary · July 2009

and even then, a magmite would have no room for any aggro skills if you tried to make it a herc wannabe, unless you rid of reflect for bash. to get hercs hp youd need blessing, and even with all those super buffs no pet even begins to compare to a herc.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary · July 2009

The average payout for a Battle Pet Pack is 26.8 Force/Feathers. This works out to an average of 373 Battle Pet Packs for a Herc/Nix.

At 50 cents per pack, that's $186.50. At the current sale price, it's $111.90.

Keep in mind, however, that you can earn enough in-game coin to buy a Herc/Nix without paying a dime. For example, a cat-shop that earns 250k per day (which is not at all uncommon) will earn you a Herc/Nix in about 90 days. Other options, such as grinding or farming, can earn it even quicker.

Here's an excellent post on the topic: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=199781

nederlandse · July 2009

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You could probably get through most of the game with your starter Pet for that matter.

lol, i find that hard to believe... but would be interesting to try b:chuckle

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The Herc and Nix just makes it easier and your char more desirable in Factions and squads.

thats just sad.... and i'd never join a guild like that

Kinetic FTW! b:heart

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the skills you mention are quite rare from a weekly pvp enabled crowded event and the scrolls would run you the cost of a herc

could you not just use the following:
Bash lvl 5
Tough lvl 5
<mdef booster> lvl 5
Boost lvl 5

cant remember the exact name of the mdef buffer, and i put Boost instead of the pure-aggro skill (Roar?) for the simple fact its not AoE like the barb's

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

and even then, a magmite would have no room for any aggro skills if you tried to make it a herc wannabe, unless you rid of reflect for bash. to get hercs hp youd need blessing, and even with all those super buffs no pet even begins to compare to a herc.

//rant
why is it that every time i ask if the magmite (with skill modification) can carry you to the level cap, it always gets twisted into a "oh the herc is uber" fawning? i could give less of a flying **** about the herc, we all already know the thing can solo [almost] everything, I'M ASKIN ABOUT THE DAMN MAGMITE lmfao b:shutup

//cut rant

i realize you're taking my question as a "can i have a herc without buyin the herc" sorta deal, but that couldnt be farther from what i was actually asking

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

The average payout for a Battle Pet Pack is 26.8 Force/Feathers. This works out to an average of 373 Battle Pet Packs for a Herc/Nix.

At 50 cents per pack, that's $186.50. At the current sale price, it's $111.90.

Keep in mind, however, that you can earn enough in-game coin to buy a Herc/Nix without paying a dime. For example, a cat-shop that earns 250k per day (which is not at all uncommon) will earn you a Herc/Nix in about 90 days. Other options, such as grinding or farming, can earn it even quicker.

Here's an excellent post on the topic: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=199781

thanks for the info, and nice link

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary · July 2009

//rant
why is it that every time i ask if the magmite (with skill modification) can carry you to the level cap, it always gets twisted into a "oh the herc is uber" fawning? i could give less of a flying **** about the herc, we all already know the thing can solo [almost] everything, I'M ASKIN ABOUT THE DAMN MAGMITE lmfao

//cut rant

well people ask constantly if a magmite with refined skills, they usually mean herc skills, can do just as well, the answer is no, usually attached is why bother when herc is better, probably need 9-15m for the skills, get to 80+ with the mag, spend another 1m or so upgrading each skill, spending money forgetting some golem skills, by the time youre done, youve spent enough to buy a herc lol. its just commonly asked :P

Solandri - Heavens Tear · July 2009

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

The average payout for a Battle Pet Pack is 26.8 Force/Feathers. This works out to an average of 373 Battle Pet Packs for a Herc/Nix.

At 50 cents per pack, that's $186.50. At the current sale price, it's $111.90.

My two pet purchases came very close to the 373 average that pwdatabase gives. 371 and 374. (Complete with pretty graphs!)

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=2392911

nederlandse · July 2009

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

well people ask constantly if a magmite with refined skills, they usually mean herc skills, can do just as well, the answer is no, usually attached is why bother when herc is better, probably need 9-15m for the skills, get to 80+ with the mag, spend another 1m or so upgrading each skill, spending money forgetting some golem skills, by the time youre done, youve spent enough to buy a herc lol. its just commonly asked :P

dammit tear >.<;

now you're making me want to do the full math b:laugh

bash, 3 upgrades, 200k x 3 = 600k
sandblow erasure, 600k + 100k = 700k
3 new skills, plus 4 upgrades per skill, 700k + {(300k x 3) + [200k x (4 x 3)]} = 4mil

so to fully re-skill your crystilline magmite (better stats > cheaper cost) you would need a grand total of 4,000,000 coin... thats 16,000,000 cheaper than the herc (if you get each SoF at 2k)

4mil / 16mil = 0.25

that comes out to 1/4 of the cost of a herc

so does the extra 3/4 really honestly pay its weight for stats? anyone have screenies for comparison? i'm honestly curious at comparing high lvls now. 90+ only please

Mosz - Heavens Tear · July 2009

nederlandse wrote: »

dammit tear >.<;

now you're making me want to do the full math b:laugh

bash, 3 upgrades, 200k x 3 = 600k
sandblow erasure, 600k + 100k = 700k
3 new skills, plus 4 upgrades per skill, 700k + {(300k x 3) + [200k x (4 x 3)]} = 4mil

so to fully re-skill your crystilline magmite (better stats > cheaper cost) you would need a grand total of 4,000,000 coin... thats 16,000,000 cheaper than the herc (if you get each SoF at 2k)

4mil / 16mil = 0.25

that comes out to 1/4 of the cost of a herc

so does the extra 3/4 really honestly pay its weight for stats? anyone have screenies for comparison? i'm honestly curious at comparing high lvls now. 90+ only please

3 new skills that cost 300k each? er no they are RARE they typically run 5mil+ each on the servers IF anyone has 1 for sale which is very rare

nederlandse · July 2009

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

3 new skills that cost 300k each? er no they are RARE they typically run 5mil+ each on the servers IF anyone has 1 for sale which is very rare

the skills i'm talking about run you 300k, and are purchased from Mrs Zoologist, and the other Zoologist has them too, not sure (been a while since i've had a chat with archo's "hidden npc" b:chuckle)

i'm not placing near-impossibilities into my equations, for the simple fact that they are nearly impossible b:laugh

TameThat - Sanctuary · July 2009

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

The average payout for a Battle Pet Pack is 26.8 Force/Feathers. This works out to an average of 373 Battle Pet Packs for a Herc/Nix.

At 50 cents per pack, that's $186.50. At the current sale price, it's $111.90.

Keep in mind, however, that you can earn enough in-game coin to buy a Herc/Nix without paying a dime. For example, a cat-shop that earns 250k per day (which is not at all uncommon) will earn you a Herc/Nix in about 90 days. Other options, such as grinding or farming, can earn it even quicker.

Here's an excellent post on the topic: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=199781

I was gonna post a link to my topic, but you made it before me O.O

Alizeee - Heavens Tear · July 2009

What strange math........with 10-50 sof or feathers per pack it is 30.0 not 28.6 or anything other than 30.0- period.

Oh well......I just wanted to make that obvious correction.

Walterthewf - Harshlands · July 2009

everyone always forgets you can't get 0 feathers in a pack when glancing at what you should get........

Alyyy - Sanctuary · July 2009

if u rly want the money u could gridn it off as spoons said......i want fashion tho.....b:surrender

Legerity - Sanctuary · July 2009

Alizeee - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What strange math........with 10-50 sof or feathers per pack it is 30.0 not 28.6 or anything other than 30.0- period. Oh well......I just wanted to make that obvious correction.

You can't 'average' it like that since you're assuming the packs all have equal chances of being acquired. Taking % into account, the average falls below 30 sof/pf per pack as there's a bigger bias to the 10-20 side (>50% towards 10-20 a pack).

Eunuch - Dreamweaver · July 2009

In the end it's turning into another herc vs Mag thread anyway...

killermachine · July 2009

Alizeee - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What strange math........with 10-50 sof or feathers per pack it is 30.0 not 28.6 or anything other than 30.0- period. Oh well......I just wanted to make that obvious correction.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/10122
do your research?

Tigriss - Heavens Tear · July 2009

killermachine wrote: »

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/10122
do your research?

You do know that GMs and Mods keep saying the rates on that site are wrong most of the time.

killermachine · July 2009

And you can see users who actually use merchandise seem to be verifying them mostly.
Frankly, if I were a mod, I wouldn't tell people that chance to get lion from the eggs is 1 in 5000, seeing as it would dissuade most from it.
By the way, you'd probably want to use inaccurate rather than wrong.
Innacuracies tend to be based on small sample sizes, so who knows maybe chance for lion is 0,03%, not the written 0,02%, making it 1 in 3333

kaka3hi · July 2009

Well, just a silly thought, although I like this game so far.

I am wondering isnt it cheaper to play one of the best P2P games with the money you plan to spend / spent in F2P games ( if you were a real money spender)?

Some P2P games' monthly is only about $15 a month... that is $200 - $ 15 = $185 cheaper than F2P b:shutup. ( not to mention about the money you spend on buying other stuffs in the item mall)

From my past experience in a chinese martial arts F2P MMORPG (it is dieing now since the company that manages it only cares about money ), I've ended up spending more than the amount I could play in a P2P for 2-3 years ( yeah I was addicted, lols ) .

Please dont flame lol, I just want to hear about how others think :x ! b:surrender

Zoe - Heavens Tear · July 2009

That's what makes free to play games so great for the companies that run them. People will always be spending huge amounts more than they ever would for a pay to play. They'll buy things for themselves, they'll buy things to sell to other players, in the end all the players that don't directly spend real money get stuff from players who did.

It all adds up to free games making more money than pay ones potentially.

Baraya - Dreamweaver · July 2009

I prefer to only go with in-game pets simply because I like to be different (plus, I have issues with PWE's cash shop). I think it's ironic that the costs of upgrading a good pet are far less than buying a cash shop pet. I've always suspected that but never did the math.

As for the Golems, they have issues with magic defense. For that reason, I like the Qingfu. They are a very balanced pet. They do just as much damage as the Golem (but in different ways) and tank just as well (but with a little more emphasis on Magic defense). Their drawback is that their initial skill is boost, so you'll need to swap that with something better (bash).

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary · July 2009

how do they do the same as golems damage wise? there is a huge difference in their attacks, with the golem being on top by a wide margin

the "200$ pets" :3

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