Occult Ice

majero · July 2009

Ever since Genies came out a couple months ago, there has been several genie skills that are literally the "cookie cutter" and "must get" skills. These skills are spammed so much that some people rely on them for just about anything. One of the skills which is most overpowered and spammed, is Occult Ice.

Occult Ice is a genie skill that has a 60% chance of freezing the target for 6 seconds, and must be within 10 meters. You can pump your genie with dex, and have a much higher % chance of successfully freezing the target.

So far on Lost City PvP server, this genie skill is on 90% of BladeMasters and especially Barbarians. The best part is, these two jobs ALREADY HAVE other sorts of close range stun. For any Wizard, Venomancer, or Archer, its become a piece of cake to catch anyone thanks to Occult Ice.

To be honest I'm very frustrated and concerned about PW. Occult Ice is definitely a spammed and overpowered move, that needs to be in some way altered. Not only do people spam this move, but there is another skill called Whirlwind which paralyzed the target for 2 seconds. Paired up with Occult Ice, thats 8 seconds of "freeze" that you can't do anything about. There isn't even a genie skill to break out of this freeze. Resorting to constantly using Anti-Stun pots (Vacuity Powders) or having to make a Dex Genie to use Occult Ice as well, should not be the case.

My point is, barbarians and blademasters have become a MUCH bigger threat in and sort of PK due to the fact that they both rely on this move to do just about anything.

I hope Occult Ice is changed in the new update. If it's not, I'm done with this game.

eatwithspoons · July 2009

Going to move this to suggestions, leaving a redirect in general. I know there are genie skill changes in the upcoming patch, but I'm not sure of details

Mizorie - Lost City · July 2009

unmmm why don't you just get these to skills also? genies act independently from your char so even if your sealed, stunned or frozen, your genie can still use skills.

So why don't you use these skills also?

And if your really going to quit a game because you are being out matched by a skill any class can use, then leave because you suck at this game.

majero · July 2009

zzzzz

I'm not suggesting anything, this thread was supposed to be a discussion about this ridiculous skill.

Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »

unmmm why don't you just get these to skills also? genies act independently from your char so even if your sealed, stunned or frozen, your genie can still use skills.

So why don't you use these skills also?

And if your really going to quit a game because you are being out matched by a skill any class can use, then leave because you suck at this game.

I just said having to resort to using Occult Ice as well is lame. Do we really want a server full of Dex genies with this OP move?

And I dont suck at this game. Moves like this kicks any skill you have out the window. PvP is lame with this genie skill.

If Occult Ice had half the freeze time and a slightly lower success rate, I wouldn't be complaining.

eatwithspoons · July 2009

It seemed like you were making a point about a specific skill that you feel needs changing, you've included why you feel it's justified too. It's still in general for 4 hours, so I'm sure we'll get a discussion going

_makina_ - Sanctuary · July 2009

If your complaining about occult ice then why not aim low for archers since that is 8 seconds? I think both are fine it is a ok skill leave it alone also use antistun pots/genie skills if your so fearfull about it. Learn to play please there are counter measures already placed in game that u can use to counteract it.

majero · July 2009

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

If your complaining about occult ice then why not aim low for archers since that is 8 seconds? I think both are fine it is a ok skill leave it alone also use antistun pots/genie skills if your so fearfull about it. Learn to play please there are counter measures already placed in game that u can use to counteract it.

The only "counter measure" to Occult Ice is to use an Anti_stun pot, as I've stated in my OP. There are no genie skills to break out of the Occult Ice's Freeze. And the only way to effectively use Occult Ice back, is to pump your genie with dex. If there are other genie skills to help "counter" this move, please by all means share it.

And seriously, WhirlWind and Occult Ice are used so randomly and frequently its very difficult to even set off any sort of anti-stun in the first place.

Aim low for EA and Freeze for Clerics are all valid moves. Good for them. That is their personal type of "stun/freeze" or whatever you want to call it. As i've stated WRs and WB's already have different ways of stun. Why add another that can be spammed just as easy as their OWN natural stun.

I_Love_Pets - Heavens Tear · July 2009

Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »

unmmm why don't you just get these to skills also? genies act independently from your char so even if your sealed, stunned or frozen, your genie can still use skills.

So why don't you use these skills also?

And if your really going to quit a game because you are being out matched by a skill any class can use, then leave because you suck at this game.

that would be like saying dea;l with nixes because of the ream skill just use ingame mesaures to stop it ect and people dont stop compliaining about it and wont so ya the nix is op i agree but the ream skill isnt the problem its killing the nix that is ect thats the actual problem as if u can 1 shot it or 3 shot it np but it is evil tho and wont die thats the bigger rpoblem as it can ream u how long and stun u for 3 seconds to! that being said its the same as talking about a nixes ream if you dont mind it being used on u all the time period with almost no chance to counter it if ur dealing with a veno who does not just sit there and let nix killl you the veno also it wackin u to si um ya but that being said dont bring this to a nix convo was just pointing out the similairities tho if ur a veno you likly dont care at all that being said you prolly do use nix as such and stuff but ya lol that being said lets move on shall we

Miss_Tika - Lost City · July 2009

majero wrote: »

Ever since Genies came out a couple months ago, there has been several genie skills that are literally the "cookie cutter" and "must get" skills. These skills are spammed so much that some people rely on them for just about anything. One of the skills which is most overpowered and spammed, is Occult Ice.

Occult Ice is a genie skill that has a 60% chance of freezing the target for 6 seconds, and must be within 10 meters. You can pump your genie with dex, and have a much higher % chance of successfully freezing the target.

So far on Lost City PvP server, this genie skill is on 90% of BladeMasters and especially Barbarians. The best part is, these two jobs ALREADY HAVE other sorts of close range stun. For any Wizard, Venomancer, or Archer, its become a piece of cake to catch anyone thanks to Occult Ice.

To be honest I'm very frustrated and concerned about PW. Occult Ice is definitely a spammed and overpowered move, that needs to be in some way altered. Not only do people spam this move, but there is another skill called Whirlwind which paralyzed the target for 2 seconds. Paired up with Occult Ice, thats 8 seconds of "freeze" that you can't do anything about. There isn't even a genie skill to break out of this freeze. Resorting to constantly using Anti-Stun pots (Vacuity Powders) or having to make a Dex Genie to use Occult Ice as well, should not be the case.

My point is, barbarians and blademasters have become a MUCH bigger threat in and sort of PK due to the fact that they both rely on this move to do just about anything.

I hope Occult Ice is changed in the new update. If it's not, I'm done with this game.

Wow

Not sure who you are but...

I agree completely lmao. This skill is frustrating and definitely OP. Every Spectral WR and WB spams that torando skill and occult ice. It's just getting very tried.

I hope the dev's change this ****ed up move too.

_makina_ - Sanctuary · July 2009

majero wrote: »

The only "counter measure" to Occult Ice is to use an Anti_stun pot, as I've stated in my OP. There are no genie skills to break out of the Occult Ice's Freeze.

So faith will not prevent freeze?

edit - For a skill to break out of freeze try Remove Paralysis....

Miss_Tika - Lost City · July 2009

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

So faith will not prevent freeze?

edit - For a skill to break out of freeze try Remove Paralysis....

It's not a paralyze tho <_<

Zoe - Heavens Tear · July 2009

Ah, more proof of failure pvpers. Can't win if the other guy can hit back. Must be why you are so easy to kill....

Anyway, reading this, there are 2 issues.

1: The players themselves suck at pvp

2: The skills do seem overpowered if they do what you say they do. I never encounter genie skills that I'm aware of when I fight other players so I have no experience with these skills.

_makina_ - Sanctuary · July 2009

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

It's not a paralyze tho <_<

Read description of skill....has chance to dispel immoblized status on yourself.

Shredclaw - Sanctuary · July 2009

Well, there's something here that nobody's covered yet. You say that you might quit this game because people keep spamming it in pvp. Here's a good suggestion: Don't do pvp. Wow, amazing that nobody's thought of that one yet. Just keep your distance so others can't use the skill, and you're home free. Now, was that so hard?

Asteropaios - Lost City · July 2009

Its called ThunderStorm on a STR genie. Soon as they freeze you, wait for them to come up, hit them with it and anti-stun pot. hits for 3x on ground and 2x close up. They'll think twice I know.

BTW i have occult ice on my genie b:surrender but I barely use it. Like you said, we already have so many stuns, why waste a good stamina on occult? think its worse when archers aim low and freeze against bm's b:angry

zaihafez · October 2012

What Asteropaios said was pretty true after all BM should use their skills on effects besides stun for we have already enough stuns for us BMs to use against other players.

I recommend people to use tangling mire (decreases movement speed and physical defence good when people are running away and when their defence is pretty high) , tree of protection( heals you when needed in PVP), holy path ( increases movement speed which will alow you to chase after archers and mages)

I also heard absolute domain is good.

b:victory

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · October 2012

zaihafez wrote: »

What Asteropaios said was pretty true after all BM should use their skills on effects besides stun for we have already enough stuns for us BMs to use against other players.

I recommend people to use tangling mire (decreases movement speed and physical defence good when people are running away and when their defence is pretty high) , tree of protection( heals you when needed in PVP), holy path ( increases movement speed which will alow you to chase after archers and mages)

I also heard absolute domain is good.

b:victory

You do realize this thread is 3 years old right?

krisnda · October 2012

Closed for necro.

Occult Ice

Comments

Categories