How good are archers endgame?

kaito777
kaito777 Posts: 15 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Archer
Lol I was wondering how good they are endgame compared to the other classes because to me endgame is what counts.b:laugh
I heard that wizards and barbs were the best endgame but I do not like melee chars so I'm trying to decide wizard or archerb:surrender
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I heard archers become much weaker (compared to other classes) at late game. Wizards are THE endgame class.
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  • kaito777
    kaito777 Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    so do u think at end game a mage will kill archers 1vs1? I made a mage and using a LA build but i think i will reset to pure at endgame.
    is that a good idea or should i just go pure the whole way? X__X (im in a pvp server)
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I dont know the full details of a proper wizard build...but I do know you're in for one hell of a journey. Endgame wizards are awesome at pvp/tw, etc. But before that you have a long road ahead.
    I was early taught to work as well as play,
    My life has been one long, happy holiday;
    Full of work and full of play-
    I dropped the worry on the way-
    And God was good to me everyday.
  • kaito777
    kaito777 Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    xD as long as they lvl faster than bms im fine :D
    I mean before bms aoe grind that is xD
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    archers are beyond godly end game. boss DDing especially. throw rank armor IV armor + TT90 or 99 gold arms, and a high refine bow together with demon spark (500% more equip dmg and 25% attack speed) and you have a monster that out DDs anything on everything but phoenixes (this only applies on world bosses.) which largely benefits in leveling too, stick to arenied sharpfangs till 98 and youll see why.

    theres also sages, for delta, if one ever got to 99, and got sage barrage [massive damage] and sage sharpened tooth arrow (-20% hp AOE debuff), with the genie skill 'relentless courage' they match the demon spark in attack speed.

    i dont know where people get off 100 wizards are gods... we have a few among the servers, and no one treats them like theyre amazing on the forums:P. just look at the rank system, half are archers. its the end game class of classes
  • kaito777
    kaito777 Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    It just means they lvl easy to higher lvls O.o
    I want to know if they are still as good as the other classes if they were all at endgame.
    From what ive read around ppl r saying that archers pass lvl 90 dont do as good as the rest. I'm not sure because my highest file was lvl 48
    I dont want to be an archer if at the end they dont do as well as the others. And i heard thier evasion doesnt do much at the end of the game.
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaito777 wrote: »
    It just means they lvl easy to higher lvls O.o
    I want to know if they are still as good as the other classes if they were all at endgame.
    From what ive read around ppl r saying that archers pass lvl 90 dont do as good as the rest. I'm not sure because my highest file was lvl 48
    I dont want to be an archer if at the end they dont do as well as the others. And i heard thier evasion doesnt do much at the end of the game.

    ya evasion is **** end game since it has no point, but archers are great end game
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaito777 wrote: »
    It just means they lvl easy to higher lvls O.o
    I want to know if they are still as good as the other classes if they were all at endgame.
    From what ive read around ppl r saying that archers pass lvl 90 dont do as good as the rest. I'm not sure because my highest file was lvl 48
    I dont want to be an archer if at the end they dont do as well as the others. And i heard thier evasion doesnt do much at the end of the game.
    well, i can say one thing for sure, my friends pure dex archer at 90 out DDs everything with just a +6 crimsonhorn TT80 bow. he recently invested in making it +8 and only thing stopping him now is archers with better bows :P
  • drmarley
    drmarley Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Wouldn't a +6 Dragonbow have more DPS and be cheaper? I have a +6 soulsmasher with 2 perfects and I still doubt it out DPS' a +4 Dragonbow similarly sharded.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    drmarley wrote: »
    Wouldn't a +6 Dragonbow have more DPS and be cheaper? I have a +6 soulsmasher with 2 perfects and I still doubt it out DPS' a +4 Dragonbow similarly sharded.
    well lets see:
    dragonbow
    741-1375
    +4 = +86 attack
    Dexterity +14~15
    Critical Hit Rate +1%
    Evasion +262

    compared to:
    soulsmasher
    Physical attack 667-1238
    +6= +135 atk
    Maximum Physical Attack +154
    Interval Between Hits -0.05 seconds
    Gloom: Has a chance to greatly increase physical attack
    at the cost of losing 5% MP.

    do the math :P

    similarly sharded id think the crimson is better, alot better. i think crimson > dragonbow in most situations except in the very highest of refines, blinding radiance on the other hand (his rival uses a +9 one similarly sharded) owns crimson.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    well lets see:
    dragonbow
    741-1375
    +4 = +86 attack
    Dexterity +14~15
    Critical Hit Rate +1%
    Evasion +262

    compared to:
    soulsmasher
    Physical attack 667-1238
    +6= +135 atk
    Maximum Physical Attack +154
    Interval Between Hits -0.05 seconds
    Gloom: Has a chance to greatly increase physical attack
    at the cost of losing 5% MP.

    do the math :P

    similarly sharded id think the crimson is better, alot better. i think crimson > dragonbow in most situations except in the very highest of refines, blinding radiance on the other hand (his rival uses a +9 one similarly sharded) owns crimson.

    I'm not sure how much I agree with pdw regarding refines with damage...or maybe there's something weird about it that I do not know.

    my +7 CHS is 885-1456
    taken from you (which is from pwd I assume) the base is 667 - 1238

    that's a 218 bonus to both min and max and not the 179 as pwd states.
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    use pwcalc.ru instead for more accurate numbers
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=95240b8511aaf2f0 -+6 crimson with 2 g9
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2a829c5b02747e84 -+4 dragonbow like other poster said,
    crimson wins by ~100 some odd attack. dragonbow at +5 is just about even.

    then my friend + his rivals bow:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8159b1297c03fee7 <-+9 b radiance compared to
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8d85a0a348896d16 <-+8 soul smasher both 2x g9
    BR owns :|

    im not sure i wanna do the math, but would the spike damage just totally over run the faster attack of crimson + gloom in DPS in a long fight?
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=95240b8511aaf2f0 -+6 crimson with 2 g9
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2a829c5b02747e84 -+4 dragonbow like other poster said,
    crimson wins by ~100 some odd attack. dragonbow at +5 is just about even.

    then my friend + his rivals bow:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8159b1297c03fee7 <-+9 b radiance compared to
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8d85a0a348896d16 <-+8 soul smasher both 2x g9
    BR owns :|

    im not sure i wanna do the math, but would the spike damage just totally over run the faster attack of crimson + gloom in DPS in a long fight?

    CH:S averages 3752 dps (no gloom)
    BR averages 4223 dps

    At the moment I am trying to work out what gloom actually does by experiment so I can't give you a value for CH:S+gloom proc. Based on the cacl, BR outdoes CH:S (as it should since it's a ranged weapon of 1 grade higher not to mention it is a +9 while CH:S is +8)
  • kaito777
    kaito777 Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    So end game an archer would be able to kill other classes as well as mages do?
    I know mages dont do good against clerics period xD
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    kaito777 wrote: »
    So end game an archer would be able to kill other classes as well as mages do?
    I know mages dont do good against clerics period xD

    I'm not at end-game yet but um, I have played with pwicalc quite a bit. It is pretty hard to knock down a robe wizard with near/end-game equips. They have a lot of pdef and a lot of mdef making it rather difficult. The only thing we archers have left at EG is crit rate and attack speed.

    Sadly, I don't think Archers are "the" best EG class, but some might disagree. Would like to hear the higher leveled PvP opinions.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    They have a lot of pdef and a lot of mdef
    ive never played a wizard, but how is that possible? stone barrier + full buffs, and +5 refined TT90 pdef ornaments would only get about 4.5k def (which isnt much.) throw them in LA, and its high pdef, but average mdef...
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ive never played a wizard, but how is that possible? stone barrier + full buffs, and +5 refined TT90 pdef ornaments would only get about 4.5k def (which isnt much.) throw them in LA, and its high pdef, but average mdef...

    90 is hardly EG anyway... depends on how that person defines EG. My definition of EG is atleast 99.

    Taken from Devoted

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=3456101&postcount=28

    I don't know how much credibility I should give to his numbers but he does seem to know what he's on about. Also, I do believe 10k pdef with 10k mdef is quite achievable at "EG" for a wizard. I could muck around with pwcalc and come up with something when I can be bothered.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    EG is anything 90+ to me, as most of the TT99 sucks. like LA for example, only good for archers, nothing else :P. but i dont see how its possible, ill mess around with the calc again
  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    EG is anything 90+ to me, as most of the TT99 sucks. like LA for example, only good for archers, nothing else :P. but i dont see how its possible, ill mess around with the calc again

    Try fully buffed...

    edit - well at least bm and cleric physical def buffs.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    EG is anything 90+ to me, as most of the TT99 sucks. like LA for example, only good for archers, nothing else :P. but i dont see how its possible, ill mess around with the calc again

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1a2e35781fb8b26d

    Full buff, with not so impressive gear. +7 sounds reasonable for EG and immacs are getting easier to obtain. Only iffy thing I have about that would be the sage earth barrier...

    Takes some dedication yes, but at EG, 10k p and mdef is not a problem.

    (don't hate on what I chose as armor... it was just a quick toss up to see how much def a wizard may have with those kind of gears... surely there are better alternatives but leave that to wizard EGers. I'm an Archer :D)
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    o i see where it messed up, i forgot shards lol.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    lol :)

    10char
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=1a950b18adcb9408
    i tweaked it a little, giants strength > sky demon, etc. looks like itd be sexy, gunna run numbers on a 99 archer, see how it turns out.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7eade82468d2dce4 <-99 bow
    my wannabe 99 archer is scary, BM-like defense, insane patk, mixed citrines and garnets for good def and hp :P.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=40b49e1497053110 <- with 99 xbow
  • OOSNOWFOXOo - Sanctuary
    OOSNOWFOXOo - Sanctuary Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Well I say archers endgame are still pretty decent against robes since the dps stil still **** high and you have tons of crit. But however take a look at the archer metal magic skills, non of them do a xxx% of weapon damage, that means the higher level you go, the more ****ty those skills are since the addon damage wont mean much. So endgame stay away from HAs, the ST is still nice on them though. But you can't really killl them.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7eade82468d2dce4 <-99 bow
    my wannabe 99 archer is scary, BM-like defense, insane patk, mixed citrines and garnets for good def and hp :P.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=40b49e1497053110 <- with 99 xbow

    Probably my choice:

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=16739ff74a430e05

    Wouldn't rely on the dispelling but if it does, then I smell dead robe.
  • denesis
    denesis Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    how do u put equip on cals?
    when i press load i see no equip
    THE GAME IS DEAD b:byeb:byeb:bye

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