Are Genies Worth It

Genies, though hereafter referred to as Spirits because The Kin refuses to acknowledge them as genies, are absolutely wonderful. However, they are equally not as wonderful because they suck up your hard earned experience and spirit.

Now the thing with these little creatures is that their buffs are all short lived. That makes them situational. Six seconds here, eight seconds there. Maybe a good 10 or 12 second if you're lucky, but all of them have their uses. Extreme poison is a good multi use one as was suggested. With a range of 25 (twenty five) meters, it can pull mobs from groups as well as increase your damage on the mob by 20% (twenty).

Now, all the skills have some uses. The Kin himself prefers Nullify poison because there are so many venos. 6.2 seconds of complete wood immunity helps immensely in some situations, and since most situations on Lost City tend to be 1 v 1 for The Kin (gankers and the like) that's where they truly shine. However, just experiment. Most of the skills can be learned cheaply to a moderate level that you can experiment with. Once you get higher level, it gets easier to get spirit for them.

I think is all dependant on class, built, ects. Genies are meant to complement your toon and find a use for all the spirits that you will get at upper level.

For instance, I have a Blademaster with low vit and high dex for PVE.

Saying that my toon has many skills as I have 3 weapon paths (so, you know, Blademaster have skills depending on the weapon they pick). So, I have enough damage output from it.

I noticed the main weakness on my BM is lack of defence for lack of vit and low magic resistance.

So, I got 3 genie skills to help out:

I got one to cancell out magic attacks while they are bieng casted by my enemey, another one to make me inmune to bleed and another one to reduce damage taken. They work really nice.

First off the insults are uncalled for. Secondly what use is a lvl 50 cleric with lvl 30 skills? For that matter what use is a lvl 50 anything with lvl 30 skills? I am not the ONLY person who does this. It is very useful. Can you say at lvl 45 that you have all the skills available to you? Not only does it make me more powerful, but also more useful. Which would you rather have with you in TT. Someone who has all the skills available or someone who had to pick and choose among a few. It has also made me wealthier. AS I have been able to grind grind grind especially on a few items that are very expensive in the lower levels. That said, After 3 levels or so quests disappear. You an no longer able to do them. On my very first character I ever made I missed a lot of quests because of how fast I leveled in the beginning. I prefer to play the game in its entirety and in a way that makes it more enjoyable for me.

This sir, does not sound useless. I am also far from dumb and remember the game isn't just for "leveling up" its also for enjoyment. I play for entertainment.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sinking exp into them to be more powerful at a certain level is just useless. Why not just level up. Why the hell would you want to "KEEP UP" with quests? You dont want them to stop, you want more of them at a higher level. Just dumb to "have more skills at a particular level" than level up.

EDIT: check my lvl.. I'm not a lvl 20 thinking this is a good idea. I know what its like in the "higher" levels.

Ok first I can tell you that I know a cleric level 50 that I have been able to beat in duels at level 38. Why? She rushed it. She was unable to afford skills as they became available in the quest to level quickly. I had higher skills than her. Most people would rather be a lvl 40 cleric with all skills (if they can be) than a level 50 cleric with level 40 skills which is more likely the case than what you've mentioned.

I am not arguing but my "argument" is NOT invalid. I brought up several reasons why this is not only a workable, but a good idea. However; you've failed 1 reason to point out why its NOT.

You can not have higher "damage" if you do not level your skills. If I have 100 mag and lvl 4 or 5 skills and a person of my same level has 100 mag and lvl 2 or 3 skills explain to me how that person can ever hope to get "higher" damage than me if they always are skills behind me.


After a certain amount of levels quests are no longer available. Please learn the game before you start telling things not true. On my first character I didn't think I needed to do fb 19. I was new to it. When I hit 29 and got a squad to do it I asked them about it. It was at that point unavailable to go back and get that FB. Or any other quests I missed out on. I said it maybe 3 levels but Im' not sure. Could be 5. I really don't know the amount of levels it takes to miss out on quests but I'm not going to miss them to find out.

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LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Put it this way.
Who would MOST people rather be?
- a level 45 cleric with level 40 skills or
- a level 40 cleric with level 40 skills

Also your TT argument is invalid.
A person who feeds exp to their genie to "keep up with their skills" may only be level 60. While the person who doesnt may be level 65 or higher. They will still have about the same spirit meaning same amount of skills, BUT the level 65 would have a higher damage/capability of wearing better items.

Also, quests do not "disappear" after 3 levels.

Its really a matter of opinion. They really seem not that important to me.

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There is a difference in "war" and a difference of opinion. As long as no one insults the other and starts flaming we are fine.

I don't know the level range for quests to disappear. I haven't looked it up. I already stated that, but they do go away at some point. My mother is a cleric also on one of her chars. At level 47 she was still trying to catch up doing some quests back from level 38 she had already picked up. They probably would have no longer been available had she not picked them up and I am certain there are many she missed.. Until level 40 its tough to keep up with quests.

You may have been playing the game longer than this character was made, that doesn't mean you've been playing longer than me. This was not my first nor is it my only char. How long you have been playing also holds no bearing on your intelligence of the game. For either party involved.

I am not going to argue with you about the skills nor the leveling. I've said what I had to say on the subject and what I know and have personally experienced. However; I will say, if you ever see me out in battle never assume I'm your normal bm/wizard/cleric/. Because I have taken the time to make sure my skills and my level are in check. That said, goodnight sir.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've been playing this game for a lot longer than you. Quests dont VANISH after 3 levels like you stated. Most have at least a 10 level range, which is WAY more than necessary for you to finish them.

Let me simplify it for you. There are 2 situations. Two people, both grinding for 100hours killing the same amount of mobs, lets say excluding quests. One person pumps all their exp into a genie, while the other person just levels up. Both players have the SAME AMOUNT OF SPIRIT, meaning the SAME LEVELS OF SKILLS. Except the player that didnt pump their exp into a genie is probably a higher level. If both these players have the same amount of spirit/skills, then chances are the higher level player (one who didnt pump exp into genie) would do more damage, have more hp, and earn money faster.

Edit: this is so going into the LD for starting a war

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Bellanessa - Sanctuary wrote: »

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Tigriss - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Brat don't wast your time. Lloyd seems to be the type of person to think LVL is the only thing that matters. Fails to see that a well built character at lvl 60 can be far more powerful then a rished lvl65. (considering that 5lvls is meaningless 10+ lvls there could be a notable difference)Yes, as you will see by my prior post I realize its pointless. Said my piece and you know what, I'm loving every minute of my OP cleric b:laughb:laugh

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truekossy wrote: »

@Brat: He does have a point with quests.

As long as you actually ACCEPT the quests, they won't dissappear ittime and you can turn them in whenever you feel like it (with only a few exceptions such as timed quests). Considering I've had a character that was in the upper 40s and still had a level 20 quest (I had kept forgetting to bother with turning it in), I think you can figure out on your own what that means.

Yes I agree with this, I never once disputed it. But if you are level 20 and have 20 quests to do you can not get another quest. Which means if you have another quest available you can NOT get it. Then you turn level 21. You do a few quests pick up a few, get the last quest you didn't get from level 20 and have 4 quests from level 21 you've failed to get and level up to 22. And the cycle keeps going eventually you are going to miss out on quests. If you level quickly and don't get them done fast enough. This is especially true for people who solo and do not squad. You get more experience at a faster rate.

I am not saying a quest pops off your quest list every few levels. I'm saying if you fail to get a quest at a certain level and you surpass that level by a few levels you can not get it.

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Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

When you level, you get points.Sure you do, but a person with 5 mag more than me who is even 1 level higher but has skills 2 or 3 levels lower than I am is not going to out do me in damage. Where do those points go? Into mag, I hope. More mag = greater base matk.Yes it does, however; if your skill is still level 1, you do not have that extra UMPH. Also for instance, at level 45 I might have level 6 res as opposed to someone who didn't have enough spirit/coins to max out for that level. Call me crazy I don't care. I know that when I'm level 70 and can fight like I'm lvl 82 I won't be crying... but you will be (if you duel/pk with me)

Also, wasting 1m xp on your genie so you can "keep up" with your skills is... pretty terrible.In your opinion it is. I am not the first NOR the last person to do this. Its not terrible, for me it is enjoyable.Not only was I wealthier than on any of my other chars b/c of this but I also was able to change rank right away at level 30. Because I had been able to do more 1 man armys and had impecable rep.
You could grind instead and get coins so you can buy those skills,NONE of my posts have been about coins. They have all been about experience/spirit/lvl. The amount of coins I have has just been a bonus. I do grind, but you can't do that before level 40 without losing quests. and only be one or two levels behind max.Ok I do not know ANYONE before level 75 that has all the skills maxed. Besides, on my bm my skills are at least 4 levels behind if not more. On my wizard, even with the hoard of FB's I've done I'm behind on skills too. I still have skills from level 60 I've not been able to get. If you don't have the spirit to get them, you just dont.
I've been maxing skills and I've still got coin saved for 79.I'm ecstatic for you, really I am. But can you look at your available skills from the skill trainer and tell me there isn't one skill that you do not have 2 of that you could get? Honestly? I mean be for real. Unless you have negated questing and made FB's your main source of grinding it is more than likely that you have some there you've not been able to get due to lack of spirit. Anyways, as I said.. I don't need defend myself.. I am perfectly content.
Besides, OP's question was, are genies worth it. All several of you have done was argue the point with me that feeding them experience was worthless. Would be nice instead of attacking someone elses ideas you'd actually answer the OP. My answer has already been stated and its YES THEY ARE.

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes I agree with this, I never once disputed it. But if you are level 20 and have 20 quests to do you can not get another quest. Which means if you have another quest available you can NOT get it. Then you turn level 21. You do a few quests pick up a few, get the last quest you didn't get from level 20 and have 4 quests from level 21 you've failed to get and level up to 22. And the cycle keeps going eventually you are going to miss out on quests. If you level quickly and don't get them done fast enough. This is especially true for people who solo and do not squad. You get more experience at a faster rate.

I am not saying a quest pops off your quest list every few levels. I'm saying if you fail to get a quest at a certain level and you surpass that level by a few levels you can not get it.

"if you are level 20 and have 20 quests to do" then you fail at this game, kthxbai b:bye

the chances of actually filling up all 20 quest log slots is next to impossible. trust me on that (at least up to level 44)

i mean hell, i leveled almost solely on FBs, CS, and FQ from early 30s to 43 on my old BM, and even then i only had 12ish quests in my log (and yes, i grabbed every quest that became available at each level)

please, learn how to quote properly.

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes I agree with this, I never once disputed it. But if you are level 20 and have 20 quests to do you can not get another quest. Which means if you have another quest available you can NOT get it. Then you turn level 21. You do a few quests pick up a few, get the last quest you didn't get from level 20 and have 4 quests from level 21 you've failed to get and level up to 22. And the cycle keeps going eventually you are going to miss out on quests. If you level quickly and don't get them done fast enough. This is especially true for people who solo and do not squad. You get more experience at a faster rate.

I am not saying a quest pops off your quest list every few levels. I'm saying if you fail to get a quest at a certain level and you surpass that level by a few levels you can not get it.

Just wanted to point out that... well... it doesn't quite work like that.

Assuming at a lower level: As long as you pick up all your quests first, then complete them without turning any in, you will not level from the monster EXP alone outside of maybe your first ten or so levels. Beyond that, you will always have room to gain EXP before you level and as time goes on, the gap between the % of EXP you gain from quests and the amount of EXP you need to level will continue rising. That 10k EXP that would have given you 20% of your level when you're 29 is going to be giving you less than 10% at 49, for example, so you'd need to turn in more of your quests to get to the same percent as you would before.

Where am I going with this? Simple. If you collect all of your quests and then do everything they involve but turn them in, the exception being timed quests, then you'll still have room to turn in other quests. If, after that, you start turning in quests with the lowest EXP rewards, you'll have to turn in more of your quests to reach the same point as if you had turned in one of your more recent ones. You'll quickly notice that by following this method, you won't have to worry about missing quests due to running out of room for them or reaching too high of a level to accept them. In fact, you could use it to save quests with large amounts of EXP for the level you receive them at until later levels when you may not feel like grinding the EXP. And yes, this is taking repeatable quests into account.