Sage Archer Rock! Archers Need To Crit More! Miss Less!

i thought demon archer crit more than sage?

For this to become a discussion you need to mention which skills favor your choice over the opposite option. So...please elaborate.

sage spark is arguably not better? the chi buildup is nice for more sparks, but sage spark doesn't do more damage

ur title is so wrong, demon archers miss less/and crit more

yet u wanna go sage lol

mrconce - Harshlands wrote: »

lol. Title Says It All. /discuss On Both Plox. No Flame Intended. B:pleased

Mrconce Is My Hero

Uiztrollin - Harshlands wrote: »

inb4 Devoted

/facepalm.


btw 1 shot, if you think damage reduction > attack speed in general, you fail.

against robes and light, normal attacks with hell spark is better than damage reduction.

as for killing a 9x barb or bm (who doesn't blow) have fun. unless you have a highly refined weapon you won't easily be able to kill a barb or bm who knows what they are doing. my gear isn't anything special so i rely on triple spark to kill high hp melee's. obviously you wouldn't want that fury wasted when a bm just goes and stunlocks you or a barb uses his stun because then you are sol with 1 spark left and an overpowered class on your ****. so what i usually do is anti stun skill>stun>triple spark. all the bm can do is use smack (if they have it, lasts 2 seconds) or run and the barb can turtle or run. if you use this combo with heaven fury the 30% dmg reduc from wings of grace gets knocked down to 25% with heaven fury. another option would be to use paralyze and triple spark, again if the melee is paralyzed he can't hit you and heaven spark dmg reduc is useless again.

overall hell spark is much better. as for the 50 chi, i've said it before plenty of times. the bonuses from hell outweigh 50 chi a minute for an archer.



there is nothing easier to argue than heaven vs hell for an archer.

Demon version increases accuracy by 10% on ranged targets.
Demon version increases critical hit rate by 1% on ranged targets.

Demon version increases critical hit rate by 1% on ranged targets.

Demon version increases critical hit rate by 10% for 10 seconds.

Demon version grants a 10% increase to critical hit for 15 seconds.



u sure u haven't mixed heaven and hell? lmao.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

bows are .67 attacks per second right? so wouldnt...
.67 + (spark 0.1675) + (TT90 glove .10) + (rank IV armor .10) + (lol+8crimsonhorn +.05) = (1.0875 which im sure would be rounded to 1.09) which is still pretty darn painful

rank is .05 and thats you cant add attack speed and -attack interval like that

MrConce - Harshlands wrote: »

lol. Hopefully your not calling "me" a one shot. I got 4k+ hp at 81 Full dex.

yes, that would be a one shot.

Wether robes or not, triple spark will grant amazing amounts of damage, so u should be able to stun that robe and **** with the next attack no matter wut.

wait till robes have more pdef than you.

Against a melee class is obvious which spark is better, sage hands down combined with antistun pot makes u invincible to them. I love the ability of sage skills to be able to gather chi for more sparks so that my defensive skills become more available.

you have a skill that does that for you. also you won't be caught with pharm on cd.

My stun for sage will become longer, and yes im aware for demon u get that 10% crit extra, but u know what, 40% crit + or not, if ur not critting enough with 30%, ur not gonna be critting any more with 40+ more.

i actually facepalmed in real life. unless all forms of math courses i've taken are wrong 40% is a higher chance to crit than 30%.

ull know at 90+ the only way to beat em is by triple sparking and as said before, any triple spark will pretty much knock anyone out unless ur that fail. As for the paralize on the bm or barb, is not long enough for u to be able to do anything. MOst u can do is paralize for 8 seconds and debuff dd and hope u get the kill before they get to you. Once they get to you what u doing then if u havent killed them? Run. Also bms have genies as well and barbs. and fights now have to be adjusted accordingly. Ranged stuns and other defensive skills the genies have and i really dont see where demon spark will help instead of sage.

spark lasts for 12 seconds. paralyze is 8. your spark usually will be up before the melee gets to you. not to mention the fact GOOD melee's would run if you triple sparked + antistun because they know you are ****ed cause you used a pharm and 3 fury. gg you. once you get 9x and realize how archer's have the worst defenses in the game you will love hell spark because most people run and kite the triple spark so you need to deal as much damage as possible fast. even robes (especially mages) are hard as **** to kill. they deal 2k per skill and you deal very little when they have 10k pdef and 11k mdef. check the gear of any good archer. they stack -atk interval (cv bow, 99 wrists + another 99 la piece + both heavy 99 ammy's) the only thing that keeps archers in contention at 90+ is attack speed coupled with high crits. but you are level 81 and won't even get a glimpse of endgame with **** stealing any pwi player that's worthwhile.

your bs theorycrafting vs my experience as an archer. you must know more.

What do you own more robes than you will after 9x? Because they start to upgrade their gear.
Say a non-refined weapon kills a non refined armor set.
But a +7 weapon would not own a +7 armor set, as refining all armors obviously benefit more...

Archers have the most horrible def, Light Armor is the worst overall def out of the 3 types of armors. Wiz=earth barrier Cleric=Plume Shell BM=Magic and phy marrow Barb=tiger mode... veno=fox form.

Sure we have wing shield and WoG, but WoG takes a spark, and wing shield only last one shot. IF you want to say spark should be used anyways, Venos have Hood and Barb have invoke so...Not to mention cleric have lev 79 skill wing shield.

Hate to bring fake pw/private server into this but however it pretty much shows the endgame for archers. When you are attacking a robe with high end refined gears, there is NO way you can kill with skills, only your regular attack and crit can kill them. If you happen to land less crits the charm will just tick.

SO this brings to uping DPS and Crit rate? And what cult does this?
DEMON. Quickshot=dps and it is amazing dps Demon Spark=dps
Masteries=crit Stun arrow=crit ST=crit
Oh also don't think just because you sage sparked you will kill the robe. Say the robe starts with full health and charm rdy. Each one of your sparked shots will probably do 1/4-1/5 of their total hp against a high refined. The wiz will silence you probably after the charm tick, so this leave 5 seconds to kill them (10-5=5 ) So can you get 5shots in in 5 seconds? NOT IF YOU ARE SAGE. if you miss one or two shots they dont die(considering crits)...they can use an apo pot to take in 1 or 2 shots and instant hp recover pots. And don't forget event food which recovers 3000 so that takes in 1-2shots too.

So I hope now you understand why demon is the only cult archers should choose.


EDIT: Oh ya forgot to mention this..

MrConce - Harshlands wrote: »

yes im aware for demon u get that 10% crit extra, but u know what, 40% crit + or not, if ur not critting enough with 30%, ur not gonna be critting any more with 40+ more.

YOU are absolutely right! Congratz to you sir. I totaly agree.
Because a lev 1 archer crit just as much as a level 50 full dex archer.

*clap clap
*rofling while clapping.