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im wondering how much hp i should have for a cleric
like tt1-1 to survive drum boss aoe etc
1-2 tentacle boss aoe
atm i have 1.1k hp and i dun even need more for grinding so i don't even bother to add vit and i want to not add any vit in future too(well live on hp shards), so can anyone tell me what amount of hp i should need to not die in tts/fbs?
like tt1-1 to survive drum boss aoe etc
1-2 tentacle boss aoe
atm i have 1.1k hp and i dun even need more for grinding so i don't even bother to add vit and i want to not add any vit in future too(well live on hp shards), so can anyone tell me what amount of hp i should need to not die in tts/fbs?
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hm...im just throwin numbers out there...but 2k+ for drum in 1-2 and 3k+ for tentacle boss just to be safe, these are unbuffed btw. people with more accurate numbers please correct me if i'm wrong0
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Drumy ~2k+ in TT1-2
Tent guy ~3k+ buffedb:dirty0 -
I would say at your lvl around a 1100.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »I would say at your lvl around a 1100.
Did you ever do a TT?b:shockedb:dirty0 -
I've done TT quite a few times between levels 60 till now; run through at least 20 ult subs doing 1-1 and 1-2, and successfully dropped FB69 with no more than a 70 barb, 70 bm, myself and a 64 cleric (over the course of about 2 hours wined, though; it's not recommended~). I've had fairly extensive looks into the damage output of the AEs of plenty of mobs, mostly because there's not much else for a BB cleric to do than to stare blankly at my screen, maybe tab out and play some minesweeper.
For all the bosses in fb69 and for Lord of Percussion/Soul Banisher though, you need some information first. The longer the mob is alive, the more damage it's going to put out. I've run 1-1 squad mode successfully with 6 people and myself being the only cleric at 60 with just Regeneration Aura, and won without ever taking 1k damage worth of an AE. On the other hand, I've tried 1-1 squad with a bm and a barb as sole dps, dying to a one-shot AE with 1.7k hp buffed. That's the first thing to consider; do you plan on bringing a lot of dps, or do you plan on whittling him down?
Secondly, remember that the AEs are physical based. If you're a LA cleric (I wear Arcane myself), you might not need more than 1.5k for LoP throughout all of Requiem, depending on your physical resists; I haven't tried it, but I do have 46% reduction fully buffed (about ~2400 at 60, which will give you ~29% phys res versus a level 150 mob) stacked on with 50% from BB, and can tell you from 1-1 that 1.7k is enough with a full squad, and 2.1k is enough for 1-2 w/ the same squad, for both LoP and Banisher.
But keep those two in mind. This game isn't as simple as "how much hp do i need to do x", and I still cringe when people consider it as such. I'll put it to you this way: if you bring 5 nix/herc venos along with yourself, you probably won't need more than 900 hp to survive LoP 1-1, but if you bring 5 other clerics who spend most of the fight holding down their Cyclone hotkey, there will never be a point when any amount of hp will keep you alive.
tl;dr: 45 base vit is sufficient throughout the 60s with no hp shards or refinement.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
if you got about 9k wood resist then 1,5k hp is just enough for drummer
there is also another boss that does wood aoe dmg in TT2-1 or TT2-2, cant remember the name0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Did you ever do a TT?b:shocked
on others chars yeah
and i often see clerics die at those bosses from aoe, thats why i made this thread. i don't wanna be one of those dying clerics
atm im pure arcane, trying to find gears with +p.def(shard with hp gems) or +vit/hp(shard with p.def gems)
thanks guys for answers
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Yes I did TT60 at lvl 50 in a former faction I was in.I was the only Cleric at the time with 3 other 2 Venos and a Barb.We caled another Cleric as the Venos kept dieing as they sent their pets in and the Barb was just waiting untill the boss was at 50% or lower.Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Did you ever do a TT?b:shocked
The other Cleric said to me the Barb should of attacked sooner.
I think this is the boss we were fighting.http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/14619Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
You already have your numbers above,
2200+ and 3200+ = safe (Or even 2000 and 3000 depending on gear)
Those are buffed and easy to get so you dont need to worry.
Personally I'd say for stats go with 1str 1vit rest all into magic. (Can always add more vit if your super worried) every 2 lvls/
Now, just always get gear with a socket in it and put an average critine in.
Later on, refine your gear to plus1 to get extra hp for cheap (Dont worry about plus 2 at your lvl not worth it)
Once you get around 70 +2 all ur gear and you can keep average shards.
Since your worried about HP now, its good to look into later levels when you RB (75-85) you want to have around 3500 hp base.0 -
thanks
not rly interested in RB
atm all my gears and belt/necklace have +p.def so i can easy shard them with hp gems, but some arcane tt70 gears dont have +p.def, should i search for 3* gears in those places?0 -
NeBaVi - Dreamweaver wrote: »thanks
not rly interested in RB
atm all my gears and belt/necklace have +p.def so i can easy shard them with hp gems, but some arcane tt70 gears dont have +p.def, should i search for 3* gears in those places?
Heh good question. There was a discussion in general area about this.
Some good and valid opinions are there, tho they dont match clerics so i am in a process of writing whats better and when ;p.b:dirty0 -
Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »if you got about 9k wood resist then 1,5k hp is just enough for drummer
there is also another boss that does wood aoe dmg in TT2-1 or TT2-2, cant remember the name
You've been grinding too many hexocs =P
Drummer (and ALL other aoeing TT bosses) have a physical aoe. Wood resist does absolutely nothing. Vipenalt in 1-x TTs has a hard hitting single target wood magic attack, but I doubt you'll see an arcane barb tanking him at a distance anyway =Pb:dirty0 -
Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »You've been grinding too many hexocs =P
Drummer (and ALL other aoeing TT bosses) have a physical aoe. Wood resist does absolutely nothing. Vipenalt in 1-x TTs has a hard hitting single target wood magic attack, but I doubt you'll see an arcane barb tanking him at a distance anyway =P
If that was truth I would get owned with about 1,6k hp and ~600 phys def... but somehow in my wood resist suit I survive everytime.0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Heh good question. There was a discussion in general area about this.
Some good and valid opinions are there, tho they dont match clerics so i am in a process of writing whats better and when ;p.
I eagerly await your uber cleric guide Nelae! b:thanks0 -
Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »If that was truth I would get owned with about 1,6k hp and ~600 phys def... but somehow in my wood resist suit I survive everytime.
It's DPS related though. Ask your squad to stop attacking when he's at 5% hp. I guarantee you you'll get owned after a couple of hits no matter what your wood resist may be. And the fact that you're wearing a wood resist set doesn't change the fact that that it IS in fact, a physical based aoe. Pretty much all the skull looking aoes are. Don't trust me - have a veno bramble everyone in the squad, a skill which only reflects physical attacks. That includes drummer and soulbanisher on 1-x, feng and ancient evil on 2-x (and fataliqua on solo mode), coredash and twilight emperor on 3-x. Every one of the bosses listed has a physical aoe. And yes, klath made a boo boo in his guide when he said feng does a water aoe. It's actually a rather weak physical one =Pb:dirty0 -
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Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »If that was truth I would get owned with about 1,6k hp and ~600 phys def... but somehow in my wood resist suit I survive everytime.
Another Cleric guide? b:surrender
Well good for you for writing one, but I am of firm belief that people should not be writing Class Guides until they are at least high 8x if not 9x.
The 7x's are when you are starting to consider your path IF you reach level 89 and the 80's just suc in general. And the game changes in your 80's. Keep in mind as a Cleric mid 80's and up ---> be prepared to have extra armor to change out, especially if you are going to do some serious aoe grinding on higher level mobs.
I look forward to reading it.....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
Well Rose unless 1+1=7, math will not change at any lv. Could be wrong tho ;p
And no it wont be a class guide, just few crunched numbers when you want to chose shards.b:dirty0 -
Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »It's DPS related though. Ask your squad to stop attacking when he's at 5% hp. I guarantee you you'll get owned after a couple of hits no matter what your wood resist may be. And the fact that you're wearing a wood resist set doesn't change the fact that that it IS in fact, a physical based aoe. Pretty much all the skull looking aoes are. Don't trust me - have a veno bramble everyone in the squad, a skill which only reflects physical attacks. That includes drummer and soulbanisher on 1-x, feng and ancient evil on 2-x (and fataliqua on solo mode), coredash and twilight emperor on 3-x. Every one of the bosses listed has a physical aoe. And yes, klath made a boo boo in his guide when he said feng does a water aoe. It's actually a rather weak physical one =P
I dont really know anything about TTs. I didnt say I dont trust you Ninnuam. Just trying to say there is something odd about it. The aoe hurts me more if I got light armor on.
Nice list of bosses there I guess. :P
Well I dont do TTs often. Only if people really need me. I find TTs as a waste of time.
Just test me out if you dont believe.0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well Rose unless 1+1=7, math will not change at any lv. Could be wrong tho ;p
And no it wont be a class guide, just few crunched numbers when you want to chose shards.
Math is not always the do all. You (at the higher levels) have to take a ton of things into consideration.
But I will wait for the guide. No sense in getting into it until I can see your numbers.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Another Cleric guide? b:surrender
Well good for you for writing one, but I am of firm belief that people should not be writing Class Guides until they are at least high 8x if not 9x.
The 7x's are when you are starting to consider your path IF you reach level 89 and the 80's just suc in general. And the game changes in your 80's. Keep in mind as a Cleric mid 80's and up ---> be prepared to have extra armor to change out, especially if you are going to do some serious aoe grinding on higher level mobs.
I look forward to reading it.....
I am sorry but I dont understand you. And I guess you dont understand me but you still try to tell me I am wrong because of some other thing I cant have a clue about? Is that the right question?
I do have my second set of armor for aoe grinding.0 -
Torsay - Sanctuary wrote: »I am sorry but I dont understand you. And I guess you dont understand me but you still try to tell me I am wrong because of some other thing I cant have a clue about? Is that the right question?
I do have my second set of armor for aoe grinding.
I was not responding to you and I never said YOU were wrong nor did I say Nelae.
Please re-read what I wrote b:chuckle
I was making a generalized comment so I do not know to whom you were responding too.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »I dont see you writing anything useful.
And no it wont be uber, it will be simple math showing whats better and when.
b:puzzledb:puzzled
Gosh I think you may have taken what I said the wrong way! =X
I do find your posts rather knowledgeable so I was genuinely interested in reading more on your ideas! b:beatup
lol ya ya i'll write something useful one of these days- fingers crossed! b:chuckle0 -
RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »I was not responding to you and I never said YOU were wrong nor did I say Nelae.
Please re-read what I wrote b:chuckle
I was making a generalized comment so I do not know to whom you were responding too.
keke nice retort! you should be in politics! XD
(gz on exec btw b:thanks)0 -
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Aside from the HP, the lvl of your avatar worries me more if that is the lv you plan to use TT in. Unless your going for the sub healer, you would want BB. >.< Terraa sums it up tho.NeBaVi - Dreamweaver wrote: »im wondering how much hp i should have for a cleric
like tt1-1 to survive drum boss aoe etc
1-2 tentacle boss aoe
atm i have 1.1k hp and i dun even need more for grinding so i don't even bother to add vit and i want to not add any vit in future too(well live on hp shards), so can anyone tell me what amount of hp i should need to not die in tts/fbs?Terraa - Lost City wrote: »I've done TT quite a few times between levels 60 till now; run through at least 20 ult subs doing 1-1 and 1-2, and successfully dropped FB69 with no more than a 70 barb, 70 bm, myself and a 64 cleric (over the course of about 2 hours wined, though; it's not recommended~). I've had fairly extensive looks into the damage output of the AEs of plenty of mobs, mostly because there's not much else for a BB cleric to do than to stare blankly at my screen, maybe tab out and play some minesweeper.
For all the bosses in fb69 and for Lord of Percussion/Soul Banisher though, you need some information first. The longer the mob is alive, the more damage it's going to put out. I've run 1-1 squad mode successfully with 6 people and myself being the only cleric at 60 with just Regeneration Aura, and won without ever taking 1k damage worth of an AE. On the other hand, I've tried 1-1 squad with a bm and a barb as sole dps, dying to a one-shot AE with 1.7k hp buffed. That's the first thing to consider; do you plan on bringing a lot of dps, or do you plan on whittling him down?
Secondly, remember that the AEs are physical based. If you're a LA cleric (I wear Arcane myself), you might not need more than 1.5k for LoP throughout all of Requiem, depending on your physical resists; I haven't tried it, but I do have 46% reduction fully buffed (about ~2400 at 60, which will give you ~29% phys res versus a level 150 mob) stacked on with 50% from BB, and can tell you from 1-1 that 1.7k is enough with a full squad, and 2.1k is enough for 1-2 w/ the same squad, for both LoP and Banisher.
But keep those two in mind. This game isn't as simple as "how much hp do i need to do x", and I still cringe when people consider it as such. I'll put it to you this way: if you bring 5 nix/herc venos along with yourself, you probably won't need more than 900 hp to survive LoP 1-1, but if you bring 5 other clerics who spend most of the fight holding down their Cyclone hotkey, there will never be a point when any amount of hp will keep you alive.
tl;dr: 45 base vit is sufficient throughout the 60s with no hp shards or refinement.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »I was not responding to you and I never said YOU were wrong nor did I say Nelae.
Please re-read what I wrote b:chuckle
I was making a generalized comment so I do not know to whom you were responding too.
But you quoted me?
I guess I am better out of this discussion.0 -
NeBaVi - Dreamweaver wrote: »thanks
not rly interested in RB
atm all my gears and belt/necklace have +p.def so i can easy shard them with hp gems, but some arcane tt70 gears dont have +p.def, should i search for 3* gears in those places?
Hmm just want to say that TT or 3* gear is waste of money from my point of view at lower lvls, except the weapon for sure. I use just normal 1* arcane gear with decent stats (i go for +hp and +ph.def) and can get gear for quite good prize so i have spared money to add sockets and refine it. Now my gear is all with 3 sockets with average citrine shards and +1 and I am happy with it.
True is that some items from arcane TT80 gold and TT90 are very good so I will go for them when I will be that lvl.
Just now I have bought Sleeves of Captain - those have -6% channeling and I think are good when combined with other -%channeling items and weapons.
So I think dont look for just 3* and try also 1* and 2*, they can be really good items. 0
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