lv80 bow Crimsom
Absoluth - Heavens Tear
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Ok, so 9 out of 10 archers i see around have this weapon. Clearly its the best at its lv (aside from warsoul of course :P). I just want to know if it has that much of a diference from, lets say, a flash fire xbow. Yes, it will take time to get from 80 to 90 and having the best weap is always priority, but considering im aiming for radiance xbow, crimsom being unsellable and that im trying to finance a tank-barb to help out my friends in hunts/fbs/quest bosses whenever other isnt available, it gets me thinking about unnecessary costs.
Anybody wielded both and saw a noticable diference between the 2 or, as far as lvling/hunting goes, did they work pretty much the same? Be in mind im not asking about pvp. Until i get 89+, pvp weap isnt really a concern.
Anybody wielded both and saw a noticable diference between the 2 or, as far as lvling/hunting goes, did they work pretty much the same? Be in mind im not asking about pvp. Until i get 89+, pvp weap isnt really a concern.
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I havent used the bow yet, as my archer is only lvl 73, but CrimsonHorn is definately better because of that "gloom" stat that greatly increases its attack power. only reason for why i think people dont have that bow is because they cant front the cost for the two golden spirits used in crafting the bow, i think prices for crafting the bow range from 6mil-10mil.Reane-archer-82
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A +5 Wind and the Clouds with 2 Flawless Garnet Shards is serviceable for PvE in the 80s due to its great attack speed.
Crimson Horn: Soulsmasher *is* better. I am not denying that. I am just saying that you can reasonably get by with WatC.0 -
I believe the extra damage effect from the bow doesnt happen too often. I may be wrong but I think it's 5%-10%. So I decided to get a Chained Jail for the extra attack power and +26 DEX. Plus it will be sellable and I wont feel bad refining it to +6.0
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The Gloom effect does not happen very often. Perhaps 5% of the time. I actually think it is less, maybe 1 out of 30 attacks.
However.
The Gloom effect lasts for 10 seconds. If you can get in 7 whole attacks in 10 seconds, then that means out of the 30 attacks, 7 of them are under the Gloom effect. That's about 25% of your normal attacks.
The number is actually less because you often kill the monster before the gloom effect finishes.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »A +5 Wind and the Clouds with 2 Flawless Garnet Shards is serviceable for PvE in the 80s due to its great attack speed.
My TT80 crossbow does significantly higher dps than my wind and clouds (with bracers of blood moon, and both with same refines and gems).0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »My TT80 crossbow does significantly higher dps than my wind and clouds (with bracers of blood moon, and both with same refines and gems).
I will not contest this. I was merely offering an alternative to CH:S.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »The Gloom effect does not happen very often. Perhaps 5% of the time. I actually think it is less, maybe 1 out of 30 attacks.
However.
The Gloom effect lasts for 10 seconds. If you can get in 7 whole attacks in 10 seconds, then that means out of the 30 attacks, 7 of them are under the Gloom effect. That's about 25% of your normal attacks.
The number is actually less because you often kill the monster before the gloom effect finishes.
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So is W&C usable in lvl80 and up? If so at what Refine lvl?I kill things b:victory0
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Gloom =15% chance to get in a hit, but really, you dont really notice the increasement, sometimes it saves u 1 hit, sometimes it doesnt.0
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Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ok, so 9 out of 10 archers i see around have this weapon. Clearly its the best at its lv (aside from warsoul of course :P). I just want to know if it has that much of a diference from, lets say, a flash fire xbow. Yes, it will take time to get from 80 to 90 and having the best weap is always priority, but considering im aiming for radiance xbow, crimsom being unsellable and that im trying to finance a tank-barb to help out my friends in hunts/fbs/quest bosses whenever other isnt available, it gets me thinking about unnecessary costs.
Anybody wielded both and saw a noticable diference between the 2 or, as far as lvling/hunting goes, did they work pretty much the same? Be in mind im not asking about pvp. Until i get 89+, pvp weap isnt really a concern.
i've actually been looking a lot into xbows and bows for my archer
i just recently bought me a Chained Jail since i just couldn't resist the stun XD
the damage difference that gloom has is VERY minimal...
you also have to think about future weapons you can craft with the current ones you have. the TT90 xbow that i'll get from the current one i have is the one that catches my attention the most, so i'm very happy with the decision i made. i think before deciding what 80 bow you'll get, look into future weapons.0 -
I also choose the Chained Jail for the extra 26 DEX. However @ 90 I am selling it then building a... swiftwind > thundercrack > flashfire > blinding radiance0
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Just adding onto the info:
My phys attack is 5.0-8.1k unbuffed but with a gloom proc, it is 6.0-9.9k, which is roughly a 20% phys attack increase.0 -
I got myself a +6 chained jail for me waiting for when i hit 80. although i love bows i personally think CH:S is a total waste as you cnt sell for coins when you hit 90 and its very expensive. Thats just my opinion though. I cnt wait to try out my xbow though0
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I also choose the Chained Jail for the extra 26 DEX. However @ 90 I am selling it then building a... swiftwind > thundercrack > flashfire > blinding radiance
uhm...
Chained Jail only gives 13 Dex not 26
The Adds are
Stun: Chance to stun opponent for 3 seconds
+Dexterity 12~13
+Strength 12~13
o.o
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Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »Just adding onto the info:
My phys attack is 5.0-8.1k unbuffed but with a gloom proc, it is 6.0-9.9k, which is roughly a 20% phys attack increase.
That's actually not such a bad add
However, I still insist that this bow isn't worth it.
Sure, 80s are long..
Sure, you'll use that bow for a while.
But what happens when you hit 90?
You'll have to bust your **** a lot to try to get a new one.. and what happens to that bow ? Just keep it in inventory as decoration ?
80s are nothing compared to how long you'll be at 90s.
Look at it this way
Exp wise: When you hit lvl 90 you're still only 1/3 of the way to lvl 1000 -
Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »uhm...
Chained Jail only gives 13 Dex not 26
The Adds are
Stun: Chance to stun opponent for 3 seconds
+Dexterity 12~13
+Strength 12~13
o.o
where'd you get 26 dex ? o.O
Re-statting the +str into Dex?If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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13 STR + RESET = 13 DEX
an archer should not be running around with any more STR than what is minimally required to equip armor.0 -
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Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »That's actually not such a bad add
However, I still insist that this bow isn't worth it.
Sure, 80s are long..
Sure, you'll use that bow for a while.
But what happens when you hit 90?
You'll have to bust your **** a lot to try to get a new one.. and what happens to that bow ? Just keep it in inventory as decoration ?
80s are nothing compared to how long you'll be at 90s.
Look at it this way
Exp wise: When you hit lvl 90 you're still only 1/3 of the way to lvl 100
While I do agree it is expensive, I do not regret purchasing it. Besides, the mats for the bow are relatively cheap now. I was lucky enough to catch the d orb sale a week after making the CHS, and it is currently at +7. At lvl90, it is almost the equiv of a +4 dragonbow. I have no intentions of getting a new bow until the CV 95 one and I have been rather busy lately so I will be in the 80s for a very long period of time.
It all comes down to what your intentions are. If you have excess coins, I don't see why you cannot make the 80s more enjoyable with an overkill bow.
And yes, I do know about the exp table. I do not worry about such trivial matters at this stage in life and simply now I play for fun when I have spare time. (I use to go a bit nuts over this game =p)0 -
Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »While I do agree it is expensive, I do not regret purchasing it. Besides, the mats for the bow are relatively cheap now. I was lucky enough to catch the d orb sale a week after making the CHS, and it is currently at +7. At lvl90, it is almost the equiv of a +4 dragonbow. I have no intentions of getting a new bow until the CV 95 one and I have been rather busy lately so I will be in the 80s for a very long period of time.
It all comes down to what your intentions are. If you have excess coins, I don't see why you cannot make the 80s more enjoyable with an overkill bow.
And yes, I do know about the exp table. I do not worry about such trivial matters at this stage in life and simply now I play for fun when I have spare time. (I use to go a bit nuts over this game =p)
overkill bow ? nah..
i LOVE the Chain Jail and even if i could get both of em for same price and crimson were sell-able, i'd still go for Chain Jail
those extra stats and Stun are too much to pass up XDD
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Neltharius - Heavens Tear wrote: »overkill bow ? nah..
i LOVE the Chain Jail and even if i could get both of em for same price and crimson were sell-able, i'd still go for Chain Jail
those extra stats and Stun are too much to pass up XDD
O_O for fun ?!
YOU PLAY FOR FUN ??!?!?!?!
Weird..
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Crimson IS overkill. It is the best 80s bracket bow minus warsoul.
The only reason people don't get it is because it's not sellable and is almost triple the price of a TT80 xbow.
If you have excess coins and you are WILLING to forego the whole "coin issue" (which I mentioned), a chained jail is no match in terms of damage. (I suppose dps wise is unquestionable, but might need to check up on PvP wise damage)
And yes, PWI for fun.
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Just checked quickly on pwcalc and in summary we have...
CHS having gloom and attacking faster.
Chained Jail allowing restat to give +1% crit and as a result, slightly higher evasion and accuracy. Chained Jail also loses out on the minimum damage by ~100, but takes a ~400 lead in maximum damage.
This means, based on pwcalc, that CHS outdoes the CJ in terms of dps and if gloom procs, CJ is left in the dust. In terms of PvP where speed does not matter much, CJ has a slight edge assuming CHS does not proc a gloom. CJ also has a stun.
Based on the results obtained from pwcalc, I stand firm on CHS being the best 80s bow (especially when I experience gloom procs a lot)
Here are the simulation data. I used my char gear as a template.
CHS: http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=be481509189482c5
CJ: http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=402d48a1bc29a8b80 -
Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »Crimson IS overkill. It is the best 80s bracket bow minus warsoul.
The only reason people don't get it is because it's not sellable and is almost triple the price of a TT80 xbow.
If you have excess coins and you are WILLING to forego the whole "coin issue" (which I mentioned), a chained jail is no match in terms of damage. (I suppose dps wise is unquestionable, but might need to check up on PvP wise damage)
And yes, PWI for fun.
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Well I think the Soulsmasher is the best option if you have the budget for a weapon (80-90 takes about 2-4 month depending your leveling speed ), the gloom effect kicks in 15% of the time not to mention a pretty good DPS 0.69 base atk speed, match that up with a DQ bracer that gives you -0.1 atk/s, will make your DPS godly, you can just stun any robe class and follow it with normal arrows.0
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