Archer Armor Path

Bearleeable - Lost City
Bearleeable - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Archer
What is the consensus on 80-90 armor path. You see HH Green, yellow, and then of course molded. It can get very confusing.
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  • Blzngfsts - Lost City
    Blzngfsts - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Usually people use the Legendary 78 LA top and keep the Legendary 69 LA leggings, along with the 78 LA bracers, as they provide pretty good magic defense and decent physical defense for lvls 78 to 90. This is the set up on my archer. At 90 of course every archer I have seen goes 90 level TT armor all around, top, leggings, bracers, boots, with rings of heavenly lord, and other legendary accessories.
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    If you are focusing on p.attack and crit% the HH80 Lunar Chase Chest and Braces, and the Gold HH Spirit Eaters Shins all trump any lvl 90 equipment.

    It may be difficult to believe, but if you use the PW calculator (dont have the link, im on my cell phone) you can put on any combination of equipment and compare.

    I was unable to find anything better than this combo til 95. The bonuses suck on most the HH90 stuff.

    One thing to note when building your char... STR = DEX . and avoiding HH90 means less str requirements, more dex.
  • Blzngfsts - Lost City
    Blzngfsts - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    nelanther wrote: »
    If you are focusing on p.attack and crit% the HH80 Lunar Chase Chest and Braces, and the Gold HH Spirit Eaters Shins all trump any lvl 90 equipment.

    It may be difficult to believe, but if you use the PW calculator (dont have the link, im on my cell phone) you can put on any combination of equipment and compare.

    I was unable to find anything better than this combo til 95. The bonuses suck on most the HH90 stuff.

    One thing to note when building your char... STR = DEX . and avoiding HH90 means less str requirements, more dex.

    So...why doesn't everyone where the HH 80 Lunar armor? Oh wait b/c no one can get that equipment yet. That's right. How many ppl have that equipment on the LC server, or any server for that matter?

    And why don't I see any archers wearing anything but HH 90 Twilight armor at level 90 well? It gives good Vitality bonuses and some strength I believe, which is good for TW, especially the vitality considering it's the archers weak point (one of them anyway).

    Very few dedicated people on any server will have the best equipment, like HH 80, 90 Lunar Armor. The Frost armor is great too, but no one is wearing that either. "Almost" every archer you see between 78 and 90 will have the legendary 78 top, 69 leggings, and 78 bracers, and at 90 they use the HH 90 complete set.
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    blazing the TT80 set is called LUNAR CHASER
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14973
    he even said HH80 lunar chase
    and a lot of archers, or at least a lot of good ones get tt80 gold pant/boot for bonuses
    nelanther had good opinion there.
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    the lunar chacer stuff is cheap (comparitivly). using HH80 will leave you slightly more vulnerable to attack but offensivly the bonus is great. It seems so counter intuitive to use HH80 instead of 90 but the numbers dont lie. As soon as pwcalc comes back up ill post some comparing strategies.

    Personally I would not trust the majority when it comes to equipment. I've seen some scary stuff being worn by 80+ archers. And what do ppl see in the 78 chest? wait 2 lvls and get the Lunar Chase chest.
  • Aerynx - Sanctuary
    Aerynx - Sanctuary Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    k so lvl 76 archer here are my armors


    Swiftwind Bracers (TT70 Green)
    Swiftwind Boots (TT70 Green)
    Dark Shinguards of Hedes (Lvl 69 legendary leggings)
    Armor of Demon General (3 star quest reward)
    Some random helmet >.>

    Once I turn 78 I'm getting Armor of Grieving Sorrow. Later the TT80 Gold Leggings, which I've heard are relatively cheap. Should I just upgrade the bracers and the boots too TT80? Also, when I get the TT80 leggings, am I gonna need that substance you get when you decompose the TT70 ones?
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    If you really want to use the lvl78 chest, sell it when you hit 80 and get the lunar chace chest.

    here is what you want @ 80 (if you can afford it)

    Lunar Chacer Armor
    Lunar Chacer Braces
    Lion Spirit Helm
    Spirit Eaters Shins

    use PWdatabase to get a list of the mats and start collecting. Start collecting for 80 when you hit 70 dont wait til 79 or youll pay a premium.

    as far as boots go, if you are a crtiaholic like me you will want the lvl76 3star boots with as much dex as you can find.

    when you hit 80 you will want 91 str and not 1 str more. Buy resets as needed. It's also a good excuse to get your base vit and mag down to 3 with a reset 25 to all.
  • Blzngfsts - Lost City
    Blzngfsts - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    blazing the TT80 set is called LUNAR CHASER
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14973
    he even said HH80 lunar chase
    and a lot of archers, or at least a lot of good ones get tt80 gold pant/boot for bonuses
    nelanther had good opinion there.

    See I misunderstood and thought nelanther was talking about the Lunar Glade armor set. As I have never seen anyone with the Frost Temple armor, I have seen the TT 80 gear.

    Are we talking about the green gear or the gold gear? The gold gear is harder to get and expensive isn't it?
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    green is lunar chaser gold is spirit eater? green top is great dex,metal resist, gold pants hp dex and gold boots hp hp speed
    about wrists depends if you pve or pvp, pve dq60 mold ftw till 90 gold or 99gold,
    pvp dex/str bonus is great on tt80green

    i think 90 set is best :90 gold wrist+chest which gives yah the +10 dex bonus from set, and 80 gold pant/boot for hp/dex
    keeping the rank 4 chest top handy for bosses and stuff is a goody too
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Comparing HH80 green VS HH90 gold...

    this is what you will gain with HH90 gold...

    1 STR (unusable as dex)
    86 p.def
    130 m.def
    -.1 intervals
    342 water res
    87 metal res
    94 evasion
    -1% p.damage

    this is what you will lose with the HH90 gold...

    16 DEX
    6 VIT


    keep in mind you will need 94 str to equip HH90 vs 91 to use HH80 (plus money saved is money useable for refining).

    The strategy you use will determine which you choose. My view is to make peace with being squishy and go for offense. Get in, make the kill, and get out.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    nelanther wrote: »
    Comparing HH80 green VS HH90 gold...

    this is what you will gain with HH90 gold...

    1 STR (unusable as dex)
    86 p.def
    130 m.def
    -.1 intervals
    342 water res
    87 metal res
    94 evasion
    -1% p.damage

    this is what you will lose with the HH90 gold...

    16 DEX
    6 VIT


    keep in mind you will need 94 str to equip HH90 vs 91 to use HH80 (plus money saved is money useable for refining).

    The strategy you use will determine which you choose. My view is to make peace with being squishy and go for offense. Get in, make the kill, and get out.

    Is this full HH80 green vs full HH90 gold?

    Because eh, I think you're missing out on highlighting the entire set benefit of [2] +10 dex [4] 3% phys reduction on HH90 gold.

    In the case of just HH80 green wrist and armor vs HH90 gold wrist and armor, you have to add +10 dex aswell, meaning you really only lose 6dex and 6vit according to your previous conclusions.

    I could be wrong though, but it just seemed like you did forget about the bonuses of the partial set at first glance.

    I am a believer of DPS and so I am naturally dex and -interval inclined (PvE). My recommendation is DQ60 wrist and rank 4 armor for the PvE and grind inclined individual. @aer: at 76, I see no reason to invest "heavily" on half TT80 and gold legs. Of course this all boils down to playstyle and preference (btw hi aer :D).
  • denesis
    denesis Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    What is the best gear for 90s:
    Full tt90 green armor (im not talking about ornaments) or
    tt80 gold boots, leggings with tt90 green chest.
    And is it good for 80s to go for full gold armor - is it worth it?
    THE GAME IS DEAD b:byeb:byeb:bye
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    my comparison is with the lvl80 Lunar Chaser and the lvl90 General's chest and bracers.

    Which lvl 90 piece of equipment gives 10 dex?
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    nelanther wrote: »
    my comparison is with the lvl80 Lunar Chaser and the lvl90 General's chest and bracers.

    Which lvl 90 piece of equipment gives 10 dex?

    i mentioned SET bonus
    http://janelh.wikidot.com/dusk-light
    2 peices 90 gold give you a +10 dex set bonus
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    wow comparing the shins and chest with the dex bonus makes these 2 piecec 3 dex better with the 90 vs 80. That 10 dex changes everything. The only cost would be about 130HP. But lots better defence.
  • Challotte - Dreamweaver
    Challotte - Dreamweaver Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Can anyone confirm that the +10 dex bonus for the set of shins + chest actually exists? Just curious as I know there are definitely differences between versions of the game.

    Thanks
  • denesis
    denesis Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Can u plz answer my previous post. TY
    THE GAME IS DEAD b:byeb:byeb:bye
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    denesis wrote: »
    Can u plz answer my previous post. TY

    This entire thread is addressing your question.
  • denesis
    denesis Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    NO lol
    I want direct answer and reasons...
    PLZ
    THE GAME IS DEAD b:byeb:byeb:bye
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Ok this is my new theory for the best lvl 90 equipment...

    BRACERS - Lunar Chase Braces
    CHEST - Lunar Chase Armor
    SHINS - General's Shins (+ 10 dex when combined with boots)
    BOOTS - General's Boots (+ 10 dex when combined with shins)
    ROBE - Mantle of the Ghost Lord
    NECKLACE - Sunshine Necklace
    BELT - 3star Amulet of Virtue with 10+ dex
    RING - Ring of Mastadon's Strength (Heavenly Lord for the poor)
    RING - Ring of Mastadon's Strength (Heavenly Lord for the poor)
    HELMET - Helm of Lions Spirit
    WEAPON - Blinding Radiance

    this is at least 31% crit potentially 32%
  • Suiryujin - Sanctuary
    Suiryujin - Sanctuary Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    u are going to be 1 squishy archer>.> unless u are godly rich and everything is like +6 with immac shards or something.
    better pray the wiz doesnt find u because u will probably get 1 shotted if u get undined. i can only speak for tw of course but i find that for archers there reach a point where even with crazy crit u just cant kill someone before they hit u a few times. personally i would recommend balancing some things out besides maxing out on dmg.

    if u are maxed out dps for PvE, roll a fist archer>.> u can kill urself using tt90 gold fist with zerk by using rank 4 top+ a -.1 interval bracer. start sparking and u get 2.5atk/sec for 15 sec(u can spark every 25-30sec once u start the chain), see how fast u can zerk and kill urselfXD even though ur dmg/hit will be lower than using xbow/bow the pure atk speed u can get with fist on archer will make sure u do more dmg on bosses and what not. grinding might become an issue though:-P

    otherwise, it is a decent lineup for maxing out on dmg and crit.
    My body is made of swords.
    Iron is my blood, and glass is my heart.
    I have overcome countless battlefields undefeated,
    Without once retreating,
    Nor once being understood.
    Always alone, intoxicated with victory on the hill of swords.
    Therefore, there is no meaning to that life.
    Perhaps this body is nothing but a sword itself.
  • OOSNOWFOXOo - Sanctuary
    OOSNOWFOXOo - Sanctuary Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    nelanther wrote: »
    Ok this is my new theory for the best lvl 90 equipment...

    BRACERS - Lunar Chase Braces
    CHEST - Lunar Chase Armor
    SHINS - General's Shins (+ 10 dex when combined with boots)
    BOOTS - General's Boots (+ 10 dex when combined with shins)
    ROBE - Mantle of the Ghost Lord
    NECKLACE - Sunshine Necklace
    BELT - 3star Amulet of Virtue with 10+ dex
    RING - Ring of Mastadon's Strength (Heavenly Lord for the poor)
    RING - Ring of Mastadon's Strength (Heavenly Lord for the poor)
    HELMET - Helm of Lions Spirit
    WEAPON - Blinding Radiance

    this is at least 31% crit potentially 32%
    You cannot simply focus all your gears on dex....you are not gonna kill them before they start stunning,silencing,sleeping you....Unless you are super rich with +12..TT90 Green Leggings is best TT90 green equip imo, TT90 gold wrist is probably endgame wrist for me unless I reach 99 and get the Gold TT99 wrists, the boots TT80 gold is better, but TT90 gives more refine bonus and more base def. The chest should be TT90 gold if you are getting TT90 gold wrists. Because
    TT90 green chest gives 80hp+7-8vit, and 94 evasion.
    TT90 gold chest gives 2%phy reduction+342metal rez+94 evasion AND 10dex from the set bonus it has with gold wrist equiped.

    So it is 80hp+8vit vs 10dex+2%reduction+342metal rez...so imo the gold chest wins if is equiped with another piece of gold TT90 armor.
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    ok, pwcalc is back up and ive (yet again) changed what i feel is best @ 90.

    http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9778e627435e0544

    compare this to your suggestions from above post...

    http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0551bf29ec92e6ed

    i can see pluses and minuses to both. perhaps ppl seeing these two builds can work off of them and give their suggestions.

    to keep things consistant i would use similar refining and sharding as i think this best represents the average upper middle class archer (net worth ~200mil)
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Here is one that is even more offense-oriented, but has less magical defense:

    http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=da94de3d469c6e3d

    You need 10,000 Reputation, though.
  • Suiryujin - Sanctuary
    Suiryujin - Sanctuary Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    that line up nelanther is what we call a rich archer>.>
    grade 11 items have cost 1000 socket stones to get the 4th socket, 300 for the 3rd not something people can afford most of the time for upper class. same with wpn, 1000 stones for the 2nd socket. seriously though, unless u are buying alot of zen 200mil networth is NOT upper middles, thats up there on the rich side. not the same as those insanely rich, but more than rich enough with +6 and 4 socket grade 11 equips
    My body is made of swords.
    Iron is my blood, and glass is my heart.
    I have overcome countless battlefields undefeated,
    Without once retreating,
    Nor once being understood.
    Always alone, intoxicated with victory on the hill of swords.
    Therefore, there is no meaning to that life.
    Perhaps this body is nothing but a sword itself.
  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Yes, that build is bordering on unrealistic. I am banking on trippling my income between now (lvl83) and lvl90. If I can't, I have a backup plan that will get close. However I think this is a good bar to aim for. Until I see a better build, I'm planning on this.

    http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9778e627435e0544


    My backup plan
    http://www.pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b0b9cdb0e88f1fa0