about rb gamma and barrage...

Randomranter - Sanctuary
Randomranter - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Archer
Has anyone at lvl 80+ tried doing gamma with barrage lvl 1? Is it impossible/difficult? How far did you go in the stages? I know the guide says 6+, but I wanna know what's it like to do with lvl 1, so please share your experiences, thx.
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  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    No one will take you with lvl1 BoA.
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  • Ebrithiill - Lost City
    Ebrithiill - Lost City Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    whats gamma?
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Ebrithiill - Lost City wrote: »
    whats gamma?

    Its a daily quest.
    Read more here -- http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=342912
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  • Randomranter - Sanctuary
    Randomranter - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No one will take you with lvl1 BoA.

    Please be more constructive with your explanation, or are you just speculating, since you're still 65?
  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I don't know about RB but I know that in Zhen most archer have level 1 barrage so that they wont end the skill by using up more MP than thier hiero can restore.
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  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randomranter - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Please be more constructive with your explanation, or are you just speculating, since you're still 65?

    Actually speculating, but the point is that they wont take you because there is many archers out there with leveled BoA, so they dont really need you.
    Also if everyone say that it need to be lvl6 at least there must be a point.
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  • Cavalieri - Sanctuary
    Cavalieri - Sanctuary Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    From what i heard is that most squads would prefer lvl 5 or 6, or 4 at least. Lvl 1 sure is good for zhenning since that keeps your mana drain low, but just doesnt do the trick in gamma...
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  • Venorik - Sanctuary
    Venorik - Sanctuary Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Higher is better in gamma. So unless you intend to zhen your way past 85, go for broke.
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  • Zelfine - Sanctuary
    Zelfine - Sanctuary Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    With level 1 Barrage, your damage will be **** and the range can't keep up with the wizard's zhen move. L5+ usually for gamma anyway.
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  • Randomranter - Sanctuary
    Randomranter - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Well so far all i see is speculation, if you had tried gamma with lvl 1 barrage, please post your experience below. No more speculative opinions please.
  • Kasumi - Dreamweaver
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    barrage level 1 will fail, the range and damage will suck so bad in there. even at lvl 5 barrage it still kind of sucks but its possible to pass. i have lvl 7 barrage and it's perfect for gamma.
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  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    uh huh... and at level 6/7 how much MP do you need to so that your MP charm can keep up? I heard that for level 1 you need 1600
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  • Kasumi - Dreamweaver
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    level 7 you only need a bronze mp charm for the first stage. second stage you get lvl 2 mp aura, dont even need charm to keep barrage up.
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  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sounds cool. Say I got level 7 barrage for RB and then decided to do Zhen leveling, how much MP pool would I need for that?
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  • Randomranter - Sanctuary
    Randomranter - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    Sounds cool. Say I got level 7 barrage for RB and then decided to do Zhen leveling, how much MP pool would I need for that?

    This is the reason why I'm asking, I would hate to lvl up barrage and lock myself out of zhen parties, since there is no skill reset.
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Zelfine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    With level 1 Barrage, your damage will be **** and the range can't keep up with the wizard's zhen move. L5+ usually for gamma anyway.
    Randomranter - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well so far all i see is speculation, if you had tried gamma with lvl 1 barrage, please post your experience below. No more speculative opinions please.

    Oh really, I think this answers quite well.

    Randomranter - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is the reason why I'm asking, I would hate to lvl up barrage and lock myself out of zhen parties, since there is no skill reset.

    Imposible. Also ReBrith is better in sence of lvling and cash making as far as I know. For a crapy Zhen you need Gold MP charm, which costs at least 500k on my server, you hardly earn something like that. Normal grinding is more money wise. Well, unless you are one of those who buy gold, but then again, go ESO and that will be still better.
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  • Kasumi - Dreamweaver
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    i wouldn't zhen after leveling my barrage to 7. it's just not worth it. level 1 barrage at zhenning makes the mp charm last like 2 hours. level 7 is probably going to be 1 hour of zhenning or something before the charm goes out. way too expensive for the amount of exp you would get. you'd have to make that sacrifice if you want to rebirth.
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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    really isint much of a sacrafice, zhenning is overrated, learn archer strengths and youll think wtf do archers zhen unless theyre just fond of afk
  • Masodaf - Sanctuary
    Masodaf - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I tried gamma with level 2 barrage at level 74, with a highish level squad. I dont remember exactly how high. All I can remember is the barb having to run around like crazy cos of the naff aoe range, some waves taking VERY nearly the alloted time to kill, and most waves not finishing within the alloted time. Needless to say, barrage level was soon upped to 6, then 7, then 8 and 9, and gamma got so much easier.

    And someone said above, zhen with anything more than level 1-2 barrage just isnt worth it, unless you have a LOT of money to burn. It was good to level from 65-75, but I went to zhen at level 86 with level 9 barrage, and decided not to do it again Saying that, im not even sure a low level barrage would be effective in zhen after gamma levels. Just my 2p worth =)

    Oh and by the way, whoever asked, I have 2.2k mp and level 9 barrage is fine with that on charm. Didnt cut out once.
  • EntityZero - Sanctuary
    EntityZero - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    level 7 you only need a bronze mp charm for the first stage. second stage you get lvl 2 mp aura, dont even need charm to keep barrage up.

    Huh? I have barrage level 4 i use in RB and I still need a charm.
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  • Randomranter - Sanctuary
    Randomranter - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Thx Masodef for sharing your experience, so time to share mine. I decided to up my barrage to lvl 6, I have 2k mp, and mp aura lvl 2 cannot sustain lvl 6 barrage without a charm or pots. Does that mean I will always have to use an mp charm, or can I add more mana such that I don't have to use charm with mana aura lvl 2?
  • Masodaf - Sanctuary
    Masodaf - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randomranter - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Thx Masodef for sharing your experience, so time to share mine. I decided to up my barrage to lvl 6, I have 2k mp, and mp aura lvl 2 cannot sustain lvl 6 barrage without a charm or pots. Does that mean I will always have to use an mp charm, or can I add more mana such that I don't have to use charm with mana aura lvl 2?

    I wouldn't bother trying to add more MP, you'll find yourself somehow sacrificing (sp?) either your hp or your damage output. Just grin and bear it, you need charms xD
  • Randomranter - Sanctuary
    Randomranter - Sanctuary Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    level 7 you only need a bronze mp charm for the first stage. second stage you get lvl 2 mp aura, dont even need charm to keep barrage up.

    Can u give more details, because barrage didn't keep up without a charm for me.
  • Masodaf - Sanctuary
    Masodaf - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randomranter - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Can u give more details, because barrage didn't keep up without a charm for me.

    All I can further say on this matter for now is that level 2 mp aura does not sustain level 9 barrage with 2.2k mp on character. Lower level barrage or more mp on character will obviously affect this, though I've just finished working 14 hours straight so cannot be bothered to work out how.

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  • Kasumi - Dreamweaver
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver Posts: 346 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randomranter - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Thx Masodef for sharing your experience, so time to share mine. I decided to up my barrage to lvl 6, I have 2k mp, and mp aura lvl 2 cannot sustain lvl 6 barrage without a charm or pots. Does that mean I will always have to use an mp charm, or can I add more mana such that I don't have to use charm with mana aura lvl 2?

    Are you sure the mp aura was at lvl 2? I know lvl 1 mp aura can't keep up with it. When I did gamma my mp was at 2k and lvl 2 mp aura kept up with my lvl 7 barrage fine without mp charm.
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  • Argalon - Dreamweaver
    Argalon - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kasumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Are you sure the mp aura was at lvl 2? I know lvl 1 mp aura can't keep up with it. When I did gamma my mp was at 2k and lvl 2 mp aura kept up with my lvl 7 barrage fine without mp charm.

    I use lvl 9 barrage and after the first wave and getting mana 2 i generally do not need to worry about mana anymore. There are some mobs that drain mana, so they may be taking you out of BoA if the agro isnt kept properly on them. I'll use a single pot if my mp drops below 1k (i have ~2500mp). Also, if you have a charm equipped it will continue to tick even with mana 2. It ticks at 75% which is far sooner than the mana aura will kick in, so it may appear that you arent getting enough from the auras, but you really are.

    When i RB i will buy a single bronze charm and burn through it about midway through the 2nd wave. but as long as there is a mana 2 aura, it's all good.
  • EntityZero - Sanctuary
    EntityZero - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Argalon - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I use lvl 9 barrage and after the first wave and getting mana 2 i generally do not need to worry about mana anymore. There are some mobs that drain mana, so they may be taking you out of BoA if the agro isnt kept properly on them. I'll use a single pot if my mp drops below 1k (i have ~2500mp). Also, if you have a charm equipped it will continue to tick even with mana 2. It ticks at 75% which is far sooner than the mana aura will kick in, so it may appear that you arent getting enough from the auras, but you really are.

    When i RB i will buy a single bronze charm and burn through it about midway through the 2nd wave. but as long as there is a mana 2 aura, it's all good.

    Do you know about how long it takes the mana aura to kick in? I thought you guys were full of it when I first heard you didnt need a charm, but now thinking about how it kicks in at 75% I guess that makes sense. Im planning on trying it out now using bronze charms.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Not quite the same thing but for delta I made some +MP past boots sharded with perfect mana to give +600 MP (they glow blue b:chuckle).

    I have 2.75k MP now with lvl 10 barrage and dont have any trouble keeping up the barrage with mana 2 aura. I use pots for the first 3 stages.
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  • Argalon - Dreamweaver
    Argalon - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    EntityZero - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do you know about how long it takes the mana aura to kick in? I thought you guys were full of it when I first heard you didnt need a charm, but now thinking about how it kicks in at 75% I guess that makes sense. Im planning on trying it out now using bronze charms.

    It looks to pulse about every 2 barrage pulses roughly, so maybe every 7-8 seconds? With ~2500 mp i'll usually be down around 1200-1500mp before it pulses. This is also with high lvl cleric mana regen buffs, so the mana you have before a pulse will vary a bit. I was reluctant to believe it myself, it's not an easy place to be comfortable "testing" things heh.

    My recommendation would be to buy a bronze charm for after your current charm is used up. Then wait to equip it and see how well the auras work. Once you get more comfortable that the mana aura will actually keep you going, you'll feel a lot better about just going in with a single bronze charm. Honestly if there were charms that had 50k mana i'd be willing to try one of those and see if it'd last through the whole first wave, and just rely on auras afterwards.
  • EntityZero - Sanctuary
    EntityZero - Sanctuary Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Argalon - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It looks to pulse about every 2 barrage pulses roughly, so maybe every 7-8 seconds? With ~2500 mp i'll usually be down around 1200-1500mp before it pulses. This is also with high lvl cleric mana regen buffs, so the mana you have before a pulse will vary a bit. I was reluctant to believe it myself, it's not an easy place to be comfortable "testing" things heh.

    My recommendation would be to buy a bronze charm for after your current charm is used up. Then wait to equip it and see how well the auras work. Once you get more comfortable that the mana aura will actually keep you going, you'll feel a lot better about just going in with a single bronze charm. Honestly if there were charms that had 50k mana i'd be willing to try one of those and see if it'd last through the whole first wave, and just rely on auras afterwards.

    Well 1 more question, how much mana does the mana 2 aura give? Im at 2252 mana right now, and im using level 4 barrage (yeah I know, at my level it could be lvl 6 but im working on leveling it) and the skill description says 420 mana every 3 seconds. So if it ticks every 7-8 seconds, ill be somewhere around 1000 mana or so before it ticks? Just wondering how much mana it gives back though.


    EDIT: Nevermind found the info on my own. Mana 2 gives 1000 mana per 5 seconds. So after 30 seconds my barrage would of taken up a total of 4200 mana, but the aura would give 6000 so its worth it.
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