Pure demage dealing for wiz?

I really, really doubt they add like that. You're dealing with %s; instead of stacking they *will be left teste* will just take effect one after the other:

Hypothetical: 1000 fire defense

Undine kills 60% = 400 defense left
Sage DP kills 20% of 400 = 320 defense left
earthblaze kills 20% of 320 = 256 defense left over

so when that last pyro hits, it'd be weighed against 25.6% of the original Def... not bad at all actually b:laugh

Hmm this isnt the first time I have heard of this. A friend of mine also got nailed recently by a wizard doing this.

From the testing I have done it does appear that EarthBlaze and Undine do stack. However previous posts are right in the fact Fire Res doesn't go to 0.

Im still testing out Elemental Weakness which claims to take out 40% elemental and 30% phy res at lvl 10. In theory stacked with Undine this should = 0. Yeah I know it wont but at least this skill won't restrict you to fire moves.

As for the 89+ bit no idea i`ll tell u when I get there

I'd say Extreme poison is a genie skill than earth blaze

Debuffs with different icons stack. Ones with the same icon do not.

gaa one of those times i feel they shouldnt have introduced genies. Makes it complicating ! I was wondering if there really is a need to learn Extreme poison. Can just use the green genie's basic skill ? all reduce element resis

OK just a quick update. I now have elemental weakness lvl 10 on genie. It has been tested on mock pvp with some friends of a similar lvl 84-87. It does indeed stack ontop of undine strike. From the basic math I have done it looks a little like this:

Say and enemy has 1000 (any mag def)
Undine takes 60% so 400 mag def remain
Elemental Weakness takes another 40% mag def from that 400
so thats 160 off 400 leaves 240

1000 minus 240 divide 10 = 76% overall mage reduce

From actual weapons testing tho the results tend to vary

Due to the fact you get so little time with EW skill you got to fire it off as your casting the skill e.g. sandstorm to have time to get a 2nd shot in (pyro/gush/will of pheonix)

*note: didn't get a chance to test this with a full blown sutra attack either the 4 nukes or 4 fire combo*.

BM's and Barbs really suffer from having this done. More so the BM's than the Barbs. Maybe due to the fact both usually have low mag def to start with so the reduction isnt massive. Barbs tend to survive due to very high HP. BM's however have far less HP and this can be their undoing. From the results the sandstorm / gush combo usually did the trick, but results will vary cos no two build are the same. Either way speed and timing is key, and in summary again barbs prolly won't do **** as usual. TBH Fortify to block stuns is prolly better on these two classes

The biggest surprise was the effect on Venomancers. The drop on mag res on robe types was nearly always fatal. Even weaker moves like Pyrogram and Gush were doing massive damage.

It had a significant effect on a archer too but not as noticable as with robe types.

Didn't get chance to test on a fellow wizard again tho a sound theory would be to compare to the robe veno for pure and LA archer for lite.

Clerics the skill is either great or utterly useless. If you catch em off guard it is great on robed clerics cos you can tick charms etc much faster before regular shots. However if they see you coming and use plume shell it is utterly useless. Even worse is if they start self healing, waste of a skill at this point.

In comparison to Kannone's summary early Elemental Weakness has roughly the same stats, except for 2 things

1: No reliance on a 89 Sage or Demon Pyro/Gush/Stone Rain
2: Not restricted to Fire moves unlike earthern blaze - Best wiz move is Sandstorm

Im going back to paly the game some more. I look forward to others players responses, flames, abuses etc etc etc. I find it all rather entertaining b:laugh

hehehe
nice
i see only few ppl know the secret XD
its 1 genie skill which one make -91% fire res but ill leave it to u all to find out^^
anyway ill do some math for u guys
example
base mag atk = 8000
wapon dmg 800+rings dmg= other adds=about 1k
divine pyrogram dmg= wapon dmg x2 + base mag dmg= bout 10k
demon spark= +7x wapon dmg(wapon rings +other adds)
buffed base mag dmg bout 15-18k dmg
buffed div pyro= 15-18k+ 2x7-8k=bout 35-40k

pvp= -75%dmg
dmg in pvp = bout 8-10k
some1 mag def 2000
bufed 3000

now some fun^^
3k-91% supposed to be bout 270 fire res
but......... when u debuf some1 his buff is not counting to debuff
so its suppose to be 1180 mag res what makes bout 15% i belive
when u deal 10k to some1 with 15% fire res left = 8500 dmg
when u crit u deal 19k b:victory

u can 1 hit almost every barb but.....
when bm self-buff and get cleric buffs he have bout 50% after 91% debuff
what is pain in **** for wizz
b:cry

but anyway have fun and find out what skill does that debuff

spark isnt enough

how about we say f it and use sage water dragon b:victory

Different icons stack. You would need a Reduce Elemental resist genie skill + Undine.

Numbers are rough.

Law of diminishing returns. 60% Debuff from undine only increases damage ~20-25%. Say you popped a Wizard's Earth defense from 14k to 6k with undine. Thats 20% damage there. Then to gain an additional 20% damage (Extreme poison Equivalent), you would need to drop that Wizard by another 60% defense 6k->2k. There are no genie debuffs that remove 60% Magic Defense.

I find it sad the difference between a 1200 damage hit and a 1800 damage hit is almost 12k defense.

if u are fast enought u can use nice combo:D

3* spark>extream poison>pyrogram+spark(genie one)>divine pyro>pyrogram or will of phenix

no1 can survive that if u cast all 3 while spark(genie)

3* spark 15 sec-3 sec when u cant do anything give 12 sec
extream poison 10 sec
pyro 2 sec but cast spark in half (last 6 sec)
div pyro bout 3 sec to cast
pyro/will of nix 2 sec

its possible to make that combo but its realy hard b:victory
i made it just once and div pyro dealt almost 8k to buffed barb non critb:cry

have fun all wizards

P.S. ill be back in game in 2 weeks time or so:)