What are the exciting/challenging parts of a Veno?

For me its kinda fun to go to eden and farm for pages from mobs when your only lvl 64 with herc (thank god for bramble hood), farm fbs repeatedly to get molds, and seeing if you can solo certain bosses when your underlvled. Nix is great at how fast it kills stuff and if someone used to ks you now you can get them back. However you will always have to heal, heal, heal your pet and lvling pets to me has gotten to the stage where it seems more like a chore then a fun thing to do. My veno is now my alt that i use to help my guildies with bosses and TT other then that i do not play unless i need mats. Picking mats is rather competative on pve since people have no qualms about taking mats when you have cleared it so i pick on my veno. Pet takes mob and i take mat.

Try tanking a boss that can kill your pet in 2 hits. That's part of the fun.

What's fun and exciting to one person won't necessarily be fun and exciting for the next.
You can search out people's reasons for liking a certain class but if you didn't come to the conclusions on your own, it's not a class for you. You know, like, no point in forcing yourself to level a character you can't stand just to figure out why people like it. I guess ...

hrmm...

Played a veno since before the time of the herc and nix, so don't know how much this applies right now: the ability to tame many different mobs, which then turn in to pets with different attributes, looks, starting skills, etc.

finding out which pets are best for what tasks, leveling different pets and see the differences between them grow (since they start out pretty much the same, then the growth charts kick in), and also using different pet skills. This gives venos a large palette to work with when it comes to figuring out your strategies for different situations. Venos themselves can get away with just about any build, so it's a very versatile class to work with and explore with. At level 70 I solo'ed that level 70 quest where you have 40 minutes to dig a cauldron in the middle of four un-lurable mobs and two circling elites, all of which respawns pretty fast. Did it with a magmite and a frog and some pots. Don't know how other classes handle that quest though, and the quest rewards really aren't much. but it was fun figuring out how to do it with what you have on hand. Same goes for trying out which bosses you can tank and with which pets and what strategies. It's kinda suicidal, but yeah. XD

Now days with herc's super pdef and mdef, in PVE you can tank/kill just about anything that doesn't have HP or defense debuffs or AOEs, and the strategy for tanking bosses is pretty much just to spam heal herc. And, well... everybody already knows about the nix's PVP abilities.b:shutup

And there's much less options for choosing pet skills since hercs and nixs come with a set of highly desirable and ultra rare skills that nobody wants to replace (pets can only have 4 skills at a time and herc and nix comes with 3-4 that thou shalt not delete). However, hercs and nixs do allow venos to help their friends and guildmates with some things that they were previously pretty useless at, so i guess they bring in a different kind of fun and excitement.

another thing that I enjoy is learning how to play the veno class. i guess you can say that about all the other classes too, but the veno is the only class that has pets, and that means they have one more hotkey bar than the rest of the classes. You can use it to play various tricks on mobs b:chuckle

the single greatest challenge for my veno right now is not falling asleep while healing herc on hh bosses.

there is no challlenge in a veno. at all. send your pet in and /heal. all you have to do.

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Try tanking a boss that can kill your pet in 2 hits. That's part of the fun.

I consider that to be extraordinarily boring. All you're doing is spam healing. In fact I have a paperweight next to my keyboard for these cases. I use it to keep the pet heal key mashed down while I watch TV.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

there is no challlenge in a veno. at all. send your pet in and /heal. all you have to do.

The veno is as challenging as you make it. You can send the pet in and heal it if that's all you want to do. It'll be slow and boring, but it'll work.

I find all the other classes (except cleric) to be boring because they're so one-dimensional. Your options are to kill, or kill faster. With a cleric/veno, you have to decide whether it'll be better to kill faster or pause to heal. Or maybe debuffing would be more effective. Your options span multiple dimensions, and working through them to evaluate their advantages and tradeoffs to figure out the best one for any given situation is quite challenging.

The veno surpasses the cleric in complexity because it has so many viable builds. With a cleric, you play a caster in arcane armor. Maybe you might go light, but that's generally discouraged. A veno can be made to work in arcane, light, or heavy armor. Caster or melee are also both effective. And in many cases you can switch between these builds on the fly (e.g. switch to melee if you run across an increased magical defense mob). I switch between heavy and arcane armor, or sometimes a mix of the two depending on what my group is fighting. And I switch between caster and melee mode, often within a single fight.

I posted all the different things I typically do in a group boss fight. You can play a veno simply and be bored to tears, or you can have a lot of fun making it as complex as you like.:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=2984102#post2984102

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I consider that to be extraordinarily boring. All you're doing is spam healing. In fact I have a paperweight next to my keyboard for these cases. I use it to keep the pet heal key mashed down while I watch TV.

I stick a piece of paper between the keys

I like being in big groups. pulling mobs without getting your pet killed, debuffing bosses (that's fun with a few venos if you take turns so amp dmg stays up almost all the time), saving your teammates from adds with the pet ...and of course, taming pets.

and no, I don't have any legendary pet and I don't want to get one. 50% of my grinding time I'm in a squad, and for bosses I rather have a barb tank >.>

(I love my kitty >o<)

kosake666 wrote: »

Veno's really don't have all that much excitment to them, very repetitive, very boring characters to play imo... Send your pet, ironwood, blazing, venomous, dead mob, do it over again. Using most any other char you have to change up your attack method in order to deal with your's and your enemy's strengths and weaknesses.

It's the same thing with all classes at some point.

cast-cast-repulse-cast-cast dead mob, next.

shoot-shoot-repulse-shoot-shoot-dead mob, next.

hit-stun-hit-hit-hit-hit-hit-dead mob, next.

what makes veno fun for me, is trying to make it more fun than it is. o.O

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIqH4QJN9Z4

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's the same thing with all classes at some point.

cast-cast-repulse-cast-cast dead mob, next.

shoot-shoot-repulse-shoot-shoot-dead mob, next.

hit-stun-hit-hit-hit-hit-hit-dead mob, next.

With archers at least you have to factor in the effects of misses and crits. Depending on which shots crit or miss I vary my shot selection. This combined with different strategies for inc life and inc def mobs does make grinding a bit more enjoyable.

I don't think pets can crit and always do same damage... do they ever miss?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok so we heard the complaints and the OP issue numerous times.
But what are the exciting and challenging things of rolling a veno? I quite my veno @lv3 (LMAO) cause all i was doing was healing my pet and that excitement emotionally killed me. But reading all these recent veno threads, Im wondering if I can get past this boring stage, it might actually be fun? I know some classes are shi*tty boring at first but gradually they get fun.

Hmm.. well isnt that what a cleric does as well? I mean in regular grinding its not so much the same, seeing as, to my understanding, clerics just find magic mobs (preferably wood) and then just tank it. But in any other situation, party based wise, all you do is heal. The only + a veno has is, they dont have to go looking for a tank. And I believe that the veno has to be one of the funnest (is that a word?) classes to play. Why? simple because of the fact that we can go solo instances and such by ourselves, creating challenges that are possible (but hard) for us while impossible for others. Personally, I think clerics are the most boring of all classes. Essential, yes, but boring none the less.b:cute

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

With archers at least you have to factor in the effects of misses and crits. Depending on which shots crit or miss I vary my shot selection. This combined with different strategies for inc life and inc def mobs does make grinding a bit more enjoyable.

I don't think pets can crit and always do same damage... do they ever miss?

Yes, pets can and do miss. If they can crit, it's probably a 1% chance.

Exciting? local/world chat after downing someone with nix b:chuckle