Mp Pots Not Allowed In Duels?

GENERALDREAD - Harshlands
GENERALDREAD - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
edited July 2009 in General Discussion
well i have played many mmos and this happens to be the only one i hear people saying no mp pots in duels lol it sounds ridiculous....i would understand if it was hp but mp to me should be no prob i wanna hear what everyone has to say on this ......they call it an unwritten rule ....also stated that in duels a player should use all of his ability strategically till mp runs out ....it does sound interesting but i wanna hear the majority opinion.
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  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sounds to me like a BS "rule."

    Anyhow, duels are just toned-down versions of PvP, and in PvP you wouldn't hear somebody saying "No fair! You used MP pots so it doesn't count as a PK!"
  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited July 2009
    You shouldn't even bother dueling. It's not really going to prepare you for pk/tw. And it's just a waste of charms (after duel is over).

    Anyways, I generally don't use pots of any sort when dueling.
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Its not really that you cant use MP pots, its just that its waste of pots.
    And yea, waste of charm.
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  • Serafimo - Sanctuary
    Serafimo - Sanctuary Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I wonder, though: Is it alright for clerics to heal themselves during a duel?

    I've done this in duels ever since I saw an FS cleric duel and win by spamming Ironheart on herself and then attacking, but then I feel kinda bad for doing it.
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  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Healing is skill, IH is skill as stun arrow is, I dont know why clerics shouldnt use IH if they feel like doin` it.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Serafimo - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wonder, though: Is it alright for clerics to heal themselves during a duel?

    I've done this in duels ever since I saw an FS cleric duel and win by spamming Ironheart on herself and then attacking, but then I feel kinda bad for doing it.

    It's a class skill, so yes, it is.
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  • Dominatiger - Sanctuary
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Serafimo - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wonder, though: Is it alright for clerics to heal themselves during a duel?

    I've done this in duels ever since I saw an FS cleric duel and win by spamming Ironheart on herself and then attacking, but then I feel kinda bad for doing it.

    thats pathetic.

    I played a bit with my cleric and dueled a barb. Me and the barb were below level 30.
    So I used fly and started to attack the barb, imediatelly we started insulting me and QQ. Then I spam Ironheart on me and went to the ground. Put plume shell on me and started to kill the barb in the ground. I won and the barb QQ in the chat calling me a cheater and reported me for cheating... of course I never got a ban lmao xD
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  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Unless you're just having fun, you should always run some rules before dueling if you want a 'serious' result. For instance, lets say you never bothered to get a genie and the other dude has a high lv 1 with decent pvp skills. Clearly the fight wont be fair. So you could ask him to not use it.

    As for real PvP duels, everything is allowed (pot, charm, genie, whatever). Its kind of a waste of money, reason why most ppl just duel for fun.
    Dominatiger - Sanctuary wrote: »
    thats pathetic.

    I played a bit with my cleric and dueled a barb. Me and the barb were below level 30.
    So I used fly and started to attack the barb, imediatelly we started insulting me and QQ. Then I spam Ironheart on me and went to the ground. Put plume shell on me and started to kill the barb in the ground. I won and the barb QQ in the chat calling me a cheater and reported me for cheating... of course I never got a ban lmao xD
    Dude, never use flying mount if the opponent doesnt have 1 either. Its like the most pathetic thing 1 can do in a duel.
    Try to play fair next time and im sure the barb wont complain.
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Dude, never use flying mount if the opponent doesnt have 1 either. Its like the most pathetic thing 1 can do in a duel.
    Try to play fair next time and im sure the barb wont complain.

    But its funnyb:sad
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  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    GENERALDREAD - Harshlands wrote: »
    well i have played many mmos and this happens to be the only one i hear people saying no mp pots in duels lol it sounds ridiculous....i would understand if it was hp but mp to me should be no prob i wanna hear what everyone has to say on this ......they call it an unwritten rule ....also stated that in duels a player should use all of his ability strategically till mp runs out ....it does sound interesting but i wanna hear the majority opinion.

    Most people wear charms so Pots are uneeded. No sense in wasting either for Duels though and it is more interesting when you just do your darndest until dry. A Duel is meant to be a full test of your abilities Vs. a single opponant in a fair and honorable engagement. You test your full limitations when using no outside help whatsoever (no outside buffs, pots, etc...).

    Honestly, those who burn charms in Duels are really dim not only because what is the point? "Oh look I can survive longer because I have a charm healing me constantly! Huh huh!" but also because it is a lot of expense for no reason. That said, I do LOVE fully draining their charm if they will stick around long enough to let me Muhahaahaa (love Leech & Mist...).

    For flat-out PK I can see it a little more to protect yourself from suprise death (though I suspect it rarely does) but to be honest I find using Charms for PK even to be dull. Yay...So what do they do? They just make the fights drag on and on and on...That sure is way more fun...NOT. I know just how pathetic long engagements can be after dueling a Tiger Barb that was higher level...He could not hit me most of the time and I life stoled back the damage he dealt but I could barely hurt him on my own either. The fight would have lasted forever but I finally pulled out my pet (A Wolf not a NIX) and took him down before we both died of boredom.
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Clerics healing is perfectly acceptable, it's what defines their class, nobody tells a bm that they can't stun, so why can't a cleric heal. Also I think that MP pots are acceptable for duels, both sides need mp, and it doesn't make the duel unfair in any way because of such easy access to mp pots. Using a 2 spark chi pot during a duel is debatable because they're much harder to get than a simple mp pot.
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Most people wear charms so Pots are uneeded. No sense in wasting either for Duels though and it is more interesting when you just do your darndest until dry. A Duel is meant to be a full test of your abilities Vs. a single opponant in a fair and honorable engagement. You test your full limitations when using no outside help whatsoever (no outside buffs, pots, etc...).

    Honestly, those who burn charms in Duels are really dim not only because what is the point? "Oh look I can survive longer because I have a charm healing me constantly! Huh huh!" but also because it is a lot of expense for no reason. That said, I do LOVE fully draining their charm if they will stick around long enough to let me Muhahaahaa (love Leech & Mist...).

    For flat-out PK I can see it a little more to protect yourself from suprise death (though I suspect it rarely does) but to be honest I find using Charms for PK even to be dull. Yay...So what do they do? They just make the fights drag on and on and on...That sure is way more fun...NOT. I know just how pathetic long engagements can be after dueling a Tiger Barb that was higher level...He could not hit me most of the time and I life stoled back the damage he dealt but I could barely hurt him on my own either. The fight would have lasted forever but I finally pulled out my pet (A Wolf not a NIX) and took him down before we both died of boredom.

    Gratz! You have not dueled not once! Charms aint workin` in duels. Phailed Flame.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    ya charms dont work in duels. If your HP is low the charm doesnt tick until the end of duel =p

    idk about MP charms though im a wizard and never run out of MP =p
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Serafimo - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wonder, though: Is it alright for clerics to heal themselves during a duel?

    I've done this in duels ever since I saw an FS cleric duel and win by spamming Ironheart on herself and then attacking, but then I feel kinda bad for doing it.
    If a melee thinks that a class, that has 1/3 their HP and 1/3 to 1/4 their def. cannot IH in duels and expects that to be fair............ needs to be PKed from the entire server.
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I don't mind clerics using Ironheart one bit. I have Purge. b:laugh
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    boo4u wrote: »
    i used dmg reducing pots...anything to get the edge...just to see them with this dookie look on their face saying .."wtf..how..how can this be..why am i hitting at 50 dmg when i hit at 300-1000...wow il lgo hang myself now."

    Why do you even bother dueling then if you aren't willing to pit class vs class with no outside variables? Dueling already means little, and to do what you purport just makes it even more pointless.
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  • Wizzeled - Sanctuary
    Wizzeled - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Healing is skill, IH is skill as stun arrow is, I dont know why clerics shouldnt use IH if they feel like doin` it.

    Healing is healing. This I can use Apoco health pots and such :P
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Healing is healing. This I can use Apoco health pots and such :P

    Wrong.


    If you didn't allow a Cleric to heal would you agree to only auto-attack?
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  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Gratz! You have not dueled not once! Charms aint workin` in duels. Phailed Flame.

    Um...I am going to guess either A) You have no idea what you are talking about or B) You are just trollin' because I KNOW Barbs do not just magically regen full HP when you hit just under half with no visual effect or consistant healing thereafter. So obviously it was a Charm and I do not run in PK mode thus it was a Duel. Besides my Brambles were hurting the Charm wearer and they do not work in real PK only Duels. Unless Charms were disabled in Duels in this very last expansion or more than one person I have Dueled has **** their game (which seems unlikely to me) then you are full of it.
  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I've had 2/3rds of my hp drop in one hit, and my HP charm didn't kick in.

    I think hp charms will only kick in after the duel is over.
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I've had 2/3rds of my hp drop in one hit, and my HP charm didn't kick in.

    I think hp charms will only kick in after the duel is over.
    Correct, Charms dont work in duels.
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  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Um...I am going to guess either A) You have no idea what you are talking about or B) You are just trollin' because I KNOW Barbs do not just magically regen full HP when you hit just under half with no visual effect or consistant healing thereafter. So obviously it was a Charm and I do not run in PK mode thus it was a Duel. Besides my Brambles were hurting the Charm wearer and they do not work in real PK only Duels. Unless Charms were disabled in Duels in this very last expansion or more than one person I have Dueled has **** their game (which seems unlikely to me) then you are full of it.

    Ya, I wanted to troll a bit, so did you want, but basically idea is same, your point is wrong. I have dueled few times for chi and few times because fb51 you need to wait.

    My charm didnt work in duel, but after it ended it kicked in. So did everyone esle, if you see someones HP jumping up at duel he uses pots or somethin`. Its generaly known that charms dont work.
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  • Xiaotutu - Heavens Tear
    Xiaotutu - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Or a barb skill? (I dunno don't play barb)
  • Mirabeth - Sanctuary
    Mirabeth - Sanctuary Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I can tell you from experience that neither HP or MP charms will kick in during a duel, they will wait until after it is finished to replenish either your HP or MP (whichever charm you're wearing, or both if that's the case). If the person you (Hasukurobi) were dueling suddenly had a bunch of hp regenerate, it must've been a potion or genie skill or some other thing. There are apothecary potions that regen quite a bit of health instantaneously or over a short period of time.

    Orb of Vibrating Light recovers 4000 HP over 30 seconds
    Samsara Orb instantly recovers 1-2000 HP
    Dark Green Orb recovers 6000 HP over 30 seconds
    Principle Orb instantly recovers 1-4000 HP
    Transform Powder instantly recovers 1-6000 HP
    Samsara Wheel instantly recovers 60% HP and MP

    Not all of them will have massive visual effects (I haven't seen them all, obviously).

    But I know for a fact it's not the charms. And they haven't worked in duels for a very long time (as long as I remember and have used charms)
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  • Serafimo - Sanctuary
    Serafimo - Sanctuary Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Xiaotutu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Or a barb skill? (I dunno don't play barb)

    Yeah, there's a barb skill that heals a buttload of HP. I don't know the name but it makes a glowy spiral of light effect.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Serafimo - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yeah, there's a barb skill that heals a buttload of HP. I don't know the name but it makes a glowy spiral of light effect.

    Sunder, two spark skill, but it should be a HoT effect, not instantaneous if I'm reading the skill description right.
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Flying during a duel is just plain cheap.
    Even the devs think its a really stupid thing, you can only PVP after lvl 30, where everyone can fly.
    But then again its just a duel lol.
    Dont forget that every class except archer has a healing skill, and they can use that during a duel.
    Why didnt we get a healing skill =( Even barbs have them and they have soo much hp.
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  • Kamikiri - Lost City
    Kamikiri - Lost City Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sunder, two spark skill, but it should be a HoT effect, not instantaneous if I'm reading the skill description right.

    Sunder...no swirly light effect, and it doesnt insta-heal, HoT!. I belive she was talking about tree of protection genie skill.
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  • GENERALDREAD - Harshlands
    GENERALDREAD - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Serafimo - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wonder, though: Is it alright for clerics to heal themselves during a duel?

    I've done this in duels ever since I saw an FS cleric duel and win by spamming Ironheart on herself and then attacking, but then I feel kinda bad for doing it.
    Naa that makes things only even seeing how easy it is to mele a cleric .....using healing skills for clerics evens the odds lol spam that ironheart.b:victory

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