To Answer You Grinding Queries

Cryxtal - Sanctuary
Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Wizard
I Have Moved To A New Thread Called " Guide To Grind And Zhen " Thank You All For Viewing ^^ Hope U Can Further Comment In The New Thread !
Love Is Complicated.
「愛は複雑だ.」
Amor es muy complicado.
《爱是复杂的》

Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
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  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    yes sorry my mistake =) thank you for pointing it out b:chuckle
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • XBloodKingx - Heavens Tear
    XBloodKingx - Heavens Tear Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    To start off, please dont grind till you are around lvl 34, cause that is when ur quests starts to slow down. Always complete ur quest FIRST (When you are 35 and below), grind in Air/Water. When you are able to grind well later on, I always do quest when im a few levels higher than it so its easy (E.g Do a quest given to u at lvl 40 when you are lvl 44-46). Stated below are the mobs i REMEMBER grinding on and never regretted. Obviously depends on your build and Eqs. b:pleased

    Some Nice Grind Spots.

    Abyssal Mystery (lvl34) (Water)
    Vipion Leader (lvl35) (Wood)
    Wimple/Bloody Goldwing (lvl36/37) (Wood)
    Big Mouth pirahna (lvl39) (Water)
    Vampiric Thresher Lord (Lvl40) (Water)
    Native Vipion (Lvl41) (Wood)
    Vipion Cloudchaser (lvl45) (Wood)
    Blood Thirsty Shark (lvl52) (Water) <-- Love these as they are easy to kill
    Terrestrial Foxwing (lvl55) (Fire) <-- Love these too
    UltraFin Protector (lvl58) (Water)
    Foxxwing Supreme (lvl60) (Fire) <-- LOVE THESE THE MOST! Spent so much
    time on it with ESO.

    I only did wood at 30s - early 40s, if i remember right. I didnt really like them as we dont have elemental advantage over them (Metal, clerics love em). Beyond lvl 44 just stick to water/fire.
    (NOTE: THESE MOBS STATED ARE JUST WHAT "I" GRINDED ON, IF YOU HAVE OTHERS, THATS GOOD)

    MY OWN ADVICE <-- Repeat: MY OWN. Dont need to flame me =D

    1. Max earth shield first, and perhaps u shld have around lvl 7 water and fire by the time u hit foxxwing supremes. Well for me i had lvl9 earth, lvl5water, and 9 fire or something like that.

    2. Max BOTH earth skills. Some say dont need to max stone rain, but wth? Its so easy to get spririts later on. Id rather easy lvl now , and then try to farm spirits. And u can get spirits later easily once u hit 60s and start doing lotsa ZHEN grindings. Ultimately u can max all skills so just do what its needed to lvl for now.

    3. For me, I didnt even add 1 point to Divine pyrogram until lvl 70 cause i feel it only helped me much in Sutra, and my pyrogram was like lvl 5 ( Why my pyro was at only lvl 5 cause its only needed to do that little hit of finishing a mob off). Instead i used more like GS>SS>GUSH>SR. Feel free to add the pyro family if u want advantage over metal mobs, but i prefer to suffer there abit, and excel on my grinding. Cause we will only need metal mobs for quests? and if i can i squad ppl when im questing. Even if u cant find a squad, ur SS and SR deals very decent damage.

    4. Gush, thats obvious u HAVE to max it, its so good in PvE and PvP. Glacial Embrace, max it too. Shld be ur opening skill for most mobs (Especially Foxwing Supremes). Like i said you'de be grinding on Supremes alot, so just do a GE -> SS-> Gush-> SS. Yes you have to use 3 hard Nukes, but the exp is worth it. I got to lvl 70 in 2months 3 weeks and im working! Of course i Zhen in my 60s too but thats a whole diff story. So u shld know how helpful these foxxwings are ( Ill always remember them b:thanks )

    5. Please do learn apothecary. Get life/focus powder , it increases mana/hp recovery rate by 50 per sec over 10min. Saved me alot on pots. U imagine how many pots are saved when u kill over 10000000 mobs throughout ur grinding career.

    6. If you can afford to buy ESO ( Exp scrolls in boutique ) Please do use them when u grind on sharks/foxwings. Ur exp will surely fly.b:angry

    7. Now for ur Equipments, Ill try to explain it clearly. When you grind Foxxing Supremes (Fire), try to get your arcane robes with Single/Double resistance type, because when u have armours with fewer resistance varieties, the resistance of those particular 2 would be higher than what you would have on an armour having all the different element resistance.

    E.g If a lvl 50 arcane robe (With all elements) gives ->
    400% Metal
    400% Fire
    400% Water
    400% Wood
    400% Earth

    Then a lvl 50 arcane robe(With 2 elements) gives ->
    750% Fire
    750% Metal

    Then again a counter argument comes about what if you need to do Quests which requires killing mobs of other elements? Now i'll say i always carry 2 sets of robes. 1 Set is for Specific Element Concentrated (Fewer resistance types, but HIGH resistance in the given element) (Lets call it SEC for convenience). And the other Set which has all element resistance, but average in all, is Variety Element Concentrated (VEC).

    So when you grind you use ur SEC and when u quest you can swap to ur VEC. Im now assuming you have fully upgraded your inventory slots to carry 2 sets of armours ofc =). And its not expensive to get these 2sets because? when u grind or quest , you'll definitely come across these armours. Just be sure to plan what elements you will need in e future, and dont sell it when u come across it ^^. *But please note, Its only advisable to have 2 sets when you are around lvl 60 and below. Cause when u are higher level, theres a need for you to Refine/imbue your armours. Its too costly to upgrade 2 sets.

    8. This is a tough one, If u can , try getting Cleric buffs in Towns near ur grind spot =) but Sanctuary's Clerics are very kind, ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE muahaha. You'll see e difference ! For e.g You might need 4 hits to kill Foxwing Supremes, but with Cleric Buff, you'll only need to deal 3 hits and this COULD mean the mob will hit u 1 less too, helps u save time, save pots and make u feel good about urself ^^. For me i have a cleric too, so it was easy.
    (NOTE: *Cleric's Hp/Mp recovery Buff overwrites your life/focus powders, so for convenience sake, ask for buffs, then before u hit your mobs, use ur powder to overwrite the buff*) Powders are better!

    At your level, clerics buff only last half hour, so ull only have time to get a cleric for the 1st half, unless you are lucky enough to find one half way thru ur grind.

    9. Lastly, those mobs stated in the above are those i've spent my time on. Im sure somewhere inbetween there are other mobs. But i only chose Water and Fire mobs as our Sand skills and Water skills are amazing. Please do change ur mob targets if u feel there are better ones not mentioned and share them with the new people too b:pleased.

    And the the way i've played till now, i've nvr had grinding problems, nvr been restricted on learning any new skills later on. So just do what you have to do to lvl fast now. When you've done ur lvling fast, you can take the extra time to catch up on what you've slowed down on (E.g Quests). While others do quest at their current level, you who will be a higher lvl after grinding first, would be able to finish those quests that were given to u at lower levels easily. Hope all i've said will help you and others. Feel free to add on =D CHEERS

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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    All classes use Divine Pyro and Gush!
    sorry for the sarcasm couldnt help myself b:chuckle

    might work for clerics and venos but HA users would get **** by some of those mobs up there
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well, likewise for all classes grinding in the air/water is best due to bonus exp given ! Cleric definitely benefit on the vipions , Because of the elemental advantage. Vipions are wood element and cleric's have strong metal skills, also their physical skill called "Plume Shot" does decent damage on Vipions.

    For BM , my friend says that he does well in water (Thats what he says take note). I can understand why he says that if he hits Sharks, cause many sharks deal physical damage though they are water element.

    For Veno i feel they are superbly versatile. (Note : I have no veno and no experience) But from the way my friends say it...because of their pets... they hit just about anything. I do see lotsa venos grind in water too, hitting sharks, pirahnas. Also seen some using phoenix killing foxxwings.

    For Barb? im totally clueless. I dont see barb around much XD Only know that they can tank just about anything.
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • muii86
    muii86 Posts: 3
    edited June 2009
    NICE READD!!! So in-depth !!! Deserve a Sticky b:victoryb:pleasedb:laugh
  • muii86
    muii86 Posts: 3
    edited June 2009
    b:laugh b:laugh
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Lolz b:pleased
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • zeroshift1982
    zeroshift1982 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Woo nice , good posting . Good to sticky em up
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    One comment here:
    Vipion Cloudchaser (lvl45) (Wood)
    There is a better and far more rewarding option (drops and MP/kill) here: Ramshackle Roc, above fb39/Sundown town. Metal mobs, 3 hits with DP-Gush-Pyro ( all skills maxed for lvl) and there are gazilions of them.
    They have better XP/SP return than the vipions and equally easy to kill. Vipions are a good deal for Clerics ( Metal >Wood), we have the advantage on Rocs(Fire>Metal).
    I was selling the DQ drops for like 5k/piece at that time and I was doing about 300k/hour, normal grind. Never since then I found a better spot drop wise (not dragonmaids, not Undine, nothing).
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  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    ramshackle yea saw em ;T just that they do hit us more than other elements. Thats why i usually stick to fire/water most. We got counter skills for them, and resistance to them as well. Duo benefits =D ... poison is just inbetween .

    Thanks for commenting Ursa =) appreciate it.
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    true, they hit us more thant he elements we have shields on, but the trick here is not to get hit. I started with Rocs at lvl 45 and stopped when they turned green (51?). They were 3 shots with no chance of hitting me, and that was a 45. But I had a +3 (or +4?) Wheel of Fate with 2 sockets, so the dmg output was quite high. Prolly with a 2* 3* wpn is not the same story. The vipions took me always the 4th hit at that lvl and I hated the poison stack
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  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    True. But i dunno if lotsa ppl at that lvl are willing to pay for drag orbs to upgrade weapon . Might be a waste unless they dont mind spending so much. Mmm.. 3 stars will be able to 3hit ? i didnt quite understand.
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    a 3* that lvl I don't think has the dmg output to 3 shot the Rocs.
    When I was lvl 4x , there were no boxes to get General Summer's sword at 50 and other goodies. I used my trusted Wheel of Fate until 60, but now it's not worth it to pay a couple of milions for it at lvl 43 to use it 7 lvls, 'cause that lvl 50 reward comes very very close to WoF in terms of damage.
    ____________
    I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it.
    George Carlin

    ~I listen to hardcore FIGHT songs when I visit the forum, just to get into the proper mood~

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. So i was thinking not many ppl will really imbue/refine their 40s weapons now. It'de be waste of so much money, unless they are so rich. b:chuckle
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Getting hit usually isn't a problem at all for the Rocs

    Sure, they may hit you once while you're casting, but that is easily regenerated over time. My SS -> Gush -> WotP -> Gush -> Pyrogram easily takes them out without taking more than one hit (I *should* probably replace the first Gush with a pyro), and that one hit deals no more than 200 damage or so.

    Even without a charm, you can fight several in a row before having to maybe use a small health potion (550 coins at apoth). With a flame shield on (+HP regen), you can last a bit longer as well.

    Sure, the MP takes a bit, but you could throw up a Glacial instead of flame shield and don't worry about MP regen. Waiting for a few seconds after each battle can regenerate invaluable amounts of MP.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    max DP, use it in a combo like this: DP-Gush-P-Gush.
    Roc will be dead before it hits you. DP will do much much more dmg at lvl 45 than SS, especially with the Rocs being weak to fire and the range of DP is way bigger (24.9m DP > 21.3m SS). That range difference will let u cast the last Gush/CoF without getting hit. Starting with anything else than DP on a metal mob is a huge mistake. Try to see if instead of the last Gush isn't enough to cast just CoF, will do about 1.5k dmg at your lvl,prolly more than enough to finish and cost about 65MP.
    Be wise, it's a must for a wizz.
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  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    **** DP, lol. I haven't used DP since level oh...30? Or whenever I first got it. Yeah, SS ain't the most optimal thing but its damage on Rocs for me is just as high as DP (probably cuz I never leveled DP beyond 2 or 3). And starting with things other than DP on metal mobs ISN'T a mistake, especially against, oh, physical mobs an' shizzle like that.
  • Kuoleme - Sanctuary
    Kuoleme - Sanctuary Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    divine ish a nice opener on mental mobs imo and does outdamage sandstorm on them but i havn't really had the spirit to lvl it so it's still lvl 6

    i just spam gush n pyro when i have to quest on metal mobs xD
  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Getting hit usually isn't a problem at all for the Rocs

    Sure, they may hit you once while you're casting, but that is easily regenerated over time. My SS -> Gush -> WotP -> Gush -> Pyrogram easily takes them out without taking more than one hit (I *should* probably replace the first Gush with a pyro), and that one hit deals no more than 200 damage or so.

    Even without a charm, you can fight several in a row before having to maybe use a small health potion (550 coins at apoth). With a flame shield on (+HP regen), you can last a bit longer as well.

    Sure, the MP takes a bit, but you could throw up a Glacial instead of flame shield and don't worry about MP regen. Waiting for a few seconds after each battle can regenerate invaluable amounts of MP.

    Use morning dew between fights instead of pots, of flame shield... hp pots should only be used in an emergency.
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  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Eh, yeah, forgot Morning's Dew. Even though it's a crappy heal, with our low-**** HP it's marvelous.

    I personally use HP pots since with MD my mana sinks faster and MP pots are like 20% more expensive than HP ones. Plus, those things drop small Health/Mystery pots as well ;)
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well though i've said i nvr grinded on Ramshacks.. From the way u guys say it, one hit is all it can manage to deliver on you, then life powder would be more than sufficient to recover ur 1 hits. u'de probably only use 1 pot every 3 mobs? Which is worth it if u gonna do it in e long run.

    And yes DP *IS* a *SUPERB* skill on metal mobs. So far u guys only mentioned 1 good metal mob to grind on. I'd rather max out others since there are more water/fire mobs out there to grind on. And even if u insist on hitting ramshacks, SS and Gush still do decent damage.
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    mm thinking if i should do a mini thread for zhening. a guide b:shutup
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • Doryu - Sanctuary
    Doryu - Sanctuary Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Only good way to lvl at 60 and above is to zhen ^^ . Well for wizards that is...soling is waste of mana and time. Within 1 hour of zhen u can get like 25% at lvl6X .

    Lucky Bms can solo grind ! b:thanks
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    with 9k matk and maxed morning dew I heal about 3-3.5k per heal.
    Not crappy at all, imo.
    "Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady." - Nakhimov
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  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    yep i agree with you actually...since its based on ur magic attk ! its really alot at least half of ur hp unless u are going LA, which means less magic attk and more hp.

    But morning dew really comes into play when u do ur solo, be it quest or grinding. It does help instead on spending that sh!tty amount of money on pots.
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • G_ree_n - Sanctuary
    G_ree_n - Sanctuary Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Great info ... makes me wanna play my wiz again. b:pleased
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Roll a barb on Sanctuary for hot cleric action. b:kiss
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    weee ty ! Ur clerics doing great anyway =D
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • tyrtallow
    tyrtallow Posts: 592 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Morning Dew is best coupled with a high level Glacial Embrace/Water Barrier for grinding. The two almost seem made for each other.
    Grinding is important for any wizard because of the high Spr requirement of some skills (and unlike most classes Wizards use almost all their skills). You can choose to skip grinding for some levels but you will need to grind at some point.
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    yep but if u grinding on fire mobs you still cant use glacial embrace XDb:chuckleb:pleasedb:laugh
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    (Kelsur from Sanctuary)'s questions:

    1. I grinded on Supreme Foxwings with Esoterica(1.5x exp) for 1 hour but only gained 20% exp at my lvl... does that sound normal to you? because the last mob i grinded at (bloody sharks) gave me around 30%

    2. Where to grind at lvl57 ? I think I am too early for Supreme Foxwings

    3. I heard Foxwings have good drops. I only got Flexible Sinew...do people usually buy them if i sell them in catshop? or is it another one of those useless DQ items that i should sell to NPC


    My Reply : like i mentioned bloody sharks are easy to kill 3 hits for me , its pretty fast exp i rmb. But of course as u grow your lvl, u WILL definitely get lesser exp/hour. When i Foxxwings i got around 20-25% when i first started (Depends on how fast u kill, weapons, eq, cleric buff)

    Also, 57 is NOT too early to do foxxwings, i started earlier than that. What kinda robe are u using? and which type (SEC)?
    Love Is Complicated.
    「愛は複雑だ.」
    Amor es muy complicado.
    《爱是复杂的》

    Do not argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience. b:bye