I need a little clarification

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear · June 2009

While pondering a math issue regarding the Magic Attack of a wizard, I had a wonderful person inform me that wizards...miss.

I had to do a double take. How does a wizard miss? Skills never miss, unless the skill's accuracy is based on the skill's level. I had to know more about this. I asked a simple question. Have you even seen a wizard miss?

Yes, they have. Their wizard.

o.o;; How the bloody hell?

So, I asked the all important question. Were you using your skills or melee? (What wizard in their right mind is willing to melee, with things like Glacial Snare and Sandstorm at their disposal?)

Apparently, an interruption counts as a miss. "Interruptions are (the mob's) evasion at work."

o.O Can I get some clarification on this? I was fairly certain everyone has had to deal with an interruption, at some point in time. I was even sure it was a hit during channeling that caused an interruption, not the mob's ability to jump out of the way. Does my ability to hit a target, with a skill, actually depend upon my Dex? Someone help me out here. >_>

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary · June 2009

with melee yes, you can miss, but magic never does unless the mob is immune to it. wizards shouldnt 'miss' with magic at all.

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear · June 2009

Generally, I know what I am talking about. When I butt heads with someone claiming that an interruption is evasion at work...I pull hair. My own. And lots of it. Can someone explain the interruptions, real fast? I know that evasion has nothing to do with it, but this is for posterity. Something for me to fall back on, later.

Bobncut - Sanctuary · June 2009

An interruption is not caused by evasion ability. This is clear enough from Archer v Wiz PvP experiences. The game does not use different mechanics for PvE, it just changes some parameters. If your friend wants to think of an interrupt as a "miss," he's free to confuse those concepts. But, your DEX and that of your opponent are not variables you need to know for your math.

However, this brings up my own pet peave. If we accept that magic cannot miss because it is magic (and, therefore, somehow does not need to be aimed), then why can it sometimes crit (which implies a particularly well-aimed shot)? All or nothing, I don't care, but the best of both worlds is annoyingly illogical.

Trawne - Lost City · June 2009

Interrupts only happen when you are struck during channeling, get slept/sealed/stunned, or they move too far out of range. This last one is probably why people say they "miss". They started casting, nothing is on them, the mob moved away a bit, and it comes back as interrupt. This is not a miss. If an archer readies Take Aim and the mob moves away it also says interrupt. If that same archer fires Take Aim but misses, the mob still comes after him.

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear · June 2009

Indeed. In the last game I played, magic was a healthy medium damage. High enough to do a lot, but unable to crit into the ungodly territory. I enjoy crits, though.

If you want to apply some sort of inner channeling struggle into it, you could simply state that the wizard is able to double his attack power, when he manages to channel his power in the most perfect way.

Trawne - Lost City · June 2009

Bobncut - Sanctuary wrote: »

An interruption is not caused by evasion ability. This is clear enough from Archer v Wiz PvP experiences. The game does not use different mechanics for PvE, it just changes some parameters. If your friend wants to think of an interrupt as a "miss," he's free to confuse those concepts. But, your DEX and that of your opponent are not variables you need to know for your math.

However, this brings up my own pet peave. If we accept that magic cannot miss because it is magic (and, therefore, somehow does not need to be aimed), then why can it sometimes crit (which implies a particularly well-aimed shot)? All or nothing, I don't care, but the best of both worlds is annoyingly illogical.

You could look at it as dex is the finesse at casting a spell. A perfect cast is going to cause more damage to your opponent

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary · June 2009

silly logic here from another game;

when a mage channels his spell off hand quickly, it does less damage.
when he stops to invoke it from a spell book it does far more.

maybe it can be seen from that light :P.

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear · June 2009

However, your ability to crit, as a wizard, if not solely dependent on dex. So, the crit rate is all that matters.

Certain Tomes increase the chance to crit, as well as certain skills. Demon and Sage versions of Black Ice Dragon Strike and the three elemental masteries offer increased crit. So, it can be said that it is an inner clarity.

More speed means you are able to see more clearly, that which is moving swiftly towards you. Clarity.

FedTehNoob - Lost City · June 2009

If the mobs never moved or fought back, then spellcasters would never miss, but archers/melee classes still would.

The term "Interuption" is to be taken literally. It's not a miss, but it still sucks.

Bobncut - Sanctuary · June 2009

I appreciate the efforts to alleviate my pain by coming up with rationalizations for magic to crit. However, I am stuck with the mental image of a mage or cleric who barely has enough DEX to tie his own shoes flipping spells backhanded over his shoulder while running away in terror - he always hits and sometimes he gets exceptionally lucky (maybe because he did not trip over a rock for once and so was better able to tap his internal pool of mana) and hits in a particularly vulnerable spot. All I can say is "[Censored], why can't I get that kind of luck? I can't even seem to duck these [censored], screwball, blind shots that curve like a [censored] homing missile."

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear · June 2009

It was as much for my comfort as your's. I will say that I rather like my little explanation. It has a nice soft feel, to it.

Anyone know where a buff goes, in this equation?

(1+mag/100)*(lvl+wep matk+ring matk)

tweakz · June 2009

What wizard in their right mind is willing to melee, with things like Glacial Snare and Sandstorm at their disposal?

What wizard in their right mind is going to waste so much mp on a magic resit mob that they could easier handle with melee while building chi? It's not as good of an option as venos have, but switching to fox for veno is hardly worth it as the pet does phys, and switching takes mp.

Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear · June 2009

Actually, for Increase Magic Resistance mobs, I tend to go with a sparked Blade Tempest and hammer it for more chi. Sure I burn MP. However, it takes about 20 seconds to get all that MP, plus some, back.

BratFury - Heavens Tear · June 2009

Someone already answered the question:

Interrupt is NOT a miss. Mag does NOT miss. Interrupt means as they said that you've been put to sleep/stunned/or silenced during your casting. Therefore it stops the casting. Or (interrupts) it.

To comment on the wizard crit issue. I crit very little.. very very little. Not enough enough worth mentioning really. I'm almost pure mag with a little vit. I've added NO dex. If you want to put points into dex then you deserve the crits you get. Because their regular hitting skills suffer as the points were not put into magic so regular hits are less.

Either way it balances out. (IMO) of course.

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