Archer buffs

loon08
loon08 Posts: 1 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Archer
i think that archers should have an increased accuracy buff, also i think blazing arrow should be a buff that they can give to other people. right now i think that the archer buffs are kinda pointless..the increased speed buff doesn't last very long and doesn't make you go much faster increased evasion is pointless against magic(magic doesn't miss)
so maybe the developers could think about changing the archer buffs (do it, you know you wanna)
bye b:bye
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  • _SharpShot_ - Heavens Tear
    _SharpShot_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i agree
    stupid archer buffs b:angry
  • ZwyIIa - Lost City
    ZwyIIa - Lost City Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I don't see the archers buff as unuseful.
    Maybe some things could be upgraded however the increase in speed and evasion is really useful.

    Fire dmg.....hmmm...well it's useful yet not, doesn't change a lot of thing unless u got a warsoul +16 b:chuckle.

    The only bad points about archers buffs are that one buff gives actually two buffs but one is 30 min and the other one is 10 min b:surrender.

    So u need to rebuff every 10 mins. And besides the fire dmg bonus canno't be rebuffed when the timer ain't finished. But the speed one canb:surrender

    That's hell weird buffing system. and 10 mins is a bit short.
    Beside that, the buffs archers have are useful believe me.b:pleased
  • _SharpShot_ - Heavens Tear
    _SharpShot_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well they are useful but evasion is pointless against magic and the speed buff is useless during a fight.
    Yeah the times are bad too...
    I also think an increased accuracy buff would be great and blazing arrow should be a buff you can give other players(like the wiz buff)
    Also I think you shouldn't have to be in a squad to give people the evasion/speed buffs
  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I don't want to give other people my 40% fire damage bonus. They can all stand there without their hands glowing red.

    The evasion buff is very useful. I mean sure it doesn't help against magic but how often do you see magic in pve? and for pvp it still helps against barbs, BMs, veno pets, other archers.
    The only way to win is to quit. b:bye
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »
    The evasion buff is very useful. I mean sure it doesn't help against magic but how often do you see magic in pve?

    Above level 60, often.
  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    If your too lazy to rebuff yourself every 10 min then all i gotta say is you are one lazy punk.
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I dunno why, but increased accuracy buff sounds weird for me. We have plenty already, though we may miss at PvP such buff would make archers have edge over other classes.
    I kill things b:victory
  • Annor - Heavens Tear
    Annor - Heavens Tear Posts: 330 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    An accuracy buff that could be cast on others could be a bad thing for archers... think of all those BMs and Barbs running around with enemy buffs :P.
    Meek with words, abrupt with arrows.
  • Krels - Sanctuary
    Krels - Sanctuary Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    _makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If your too lazy to rebuff yourself every 10 min then all i gotta say is you are one lazy punk.

    Nobody said they were to lazy, they were simply pointing out the fact that its an annoyance that our class' buffs timers do not coincide with one another an making it more convenient to rebuff.
    GTFO :D
  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Krels - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nobody said they were to lazy, they were simply pointing out the fact that its an annoyance that our class' buffs timers do not coincide with one another an making it more convenient to rebuff.
    GTFO :D

    So its an anoyance to rebuff urself 10 minutes at a time cause ur lazy.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Krels - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nobody said they were to lazy, they were simply pointing out the fact that its an annoyance that our class' buffs timers do not coincide with one another an making it more convenient to rebuff.
    GTFO :D

    If you buff with wings of protection whenever you buff with blazing arrow you should have no problems?

    And... personally... I like how I keep my evasion buff when my damage buff goes away and my chance of winding up in melee range goes up.
  • Kusider - Heavens Tear
    Kusider - Heavens Tear Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you buff with wings of protection whenever you buff with blazing arrow you should have no problems?

    And... personally... I like how I keep my evasion buff when my damage buff goes away and my chance of winding up in melee range goes up.

    You like when your chances of being in melee goes up? How does that work for an archer?

    I use Relentless Courage after Aim Low for Inc. Life mobs, so that overwrites my speed buff... I end up rebuffing it to get it back and just can't keep that and Blazing Arrow in sync.

    Even without using any that overwrite, They still go more and more seconds out of sync anyway, and Blazing Arrow ends up running out as soon as I start killing. It can be pretty annoying, but it's just part of the game to me now.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Kusider - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You like when your chances of being in melee goes up?

    Actually, I like how I get missed when my chances of being in melee goes up.
    Kusider - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I use Relentless Courage after Aim Low for Inc. Life mobs, so that overwrites my speed buff...

    Oh, I usually just use a couple other skills after Aim Low for Increased Life monsters. Often enough, Aim Low would would be enough, but skill use helps me build my chi. And I have enough mana regen where I do not feel I must entirely abandon my skills. (And, even if not, my wings of protection cost compares with some of my skill costs.)

    Relentless Courage is for when I want to be pulling aggro from someone ten levels higher than me...

    b:chuckle
    Kusider - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I end up rebuffing it to get it back and just can't keep that and Blazing Arrow in sync.

    They will not expire together but if you use wings of protection whenever you use blazing arrow, your speed buff will only be expiring when blazing arrow goes down or when you overwrite it?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Here's a pro tip:

    Demon and Sage Blazing arrow duration is 15 minutes not 10 minutes.
    Don't believe me? Try buffing demon blazing arrow and archer speed buff at the same time and see which one goes out first.

    Even bigger: blazing arrow adds damage not just to your normal attack but also to all your skills but thunderous blast, wing pledge, wing span, and barrage. Any skill that consumes exactly 1 arrow gets the added damage.

    Find a metal or physical immune mob fire a shot with no blazing arrow then buff and fire again. Metal immune you can find in sage fb99 and one of the fb89s.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Here's a pro tip:
    Even bigger: blazing arrow adds damage not just to your normal attack but also to all your skills but thunderous blast, wing pledge, wing span, and barrage. Any skill that consumes exactly 1 arrow gets the added damage.

    Find a metal or physical immune mob fire a shot with no blazing arrow then buff and fire again. Metal immune you can find in sage fb99 and one of the fb89s.

    Is this for Demon / Sage only, or even at lower levels?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Is this for Demon / Sage only, or even at lower levels?

    Good question. Only confirmed it in fb99 and had demon blazing at the time. It can be tested on normal mobs though without too many trials.

    Get a decent slingshot and take the average of 20 lightning strikes on a lvl 1 chicken or something. Adjust any crits by dividing by 2. Cast blazing and take the average of another 20 lightning strike. I bet the second 20 will have higher damage.
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  • Robotic - Lost City
    Robotic - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I think that, like the barb one, something to the assort of increased HP and MP pools would be lovely. MP burns so fast so we're always using pots, and our HP is like a little puddle compared to other classes. There isn't any buff in the game to increase MP pool or regenerate MP, other than the cleric one, but I find that useless; the powders can pretty much do that buff for me, just better. I disconnect alot too, so when I get that lovely barb buff to increase my HP, in about 5 minutes I disconnect and its lost. I'm sure no one like to have to run around buffing me every 5 minutes, and I know that I don't want to run all over the map to find people to buff me.

    So yeah, I guess increased MP pool would be awesome, and maybe iintroduce a jump. I know this is off topic, but BM's get leaps, Wizards get Distance Shrink, and venomancers can just sit back and let their pet do everything for them, unless the go heavy. Archers have a slightly faster speed for running on the ground, but yeah..thats just useless. We need something to get away faster, as do clerics. Don't see that happening anytime soon though, just wishfull thinking. b:beg
    ROFLMAOMGb:shocked
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Robotic - Lost City wrote: »
    I think that, like the barb one, something to the assort of increased HP and MP pools would be lovely. MP burns so fast so we're always using pots, and our HP is like a little puddle compared to other classes. There isn't any buff in the game to increase MP pool or regenerate MP, other than the cleric one, but I find that useless; the powders can pretty much do that buff for me, just better. I disconnect alot too, so when I get that lovely barb buff to increase my HP, in about 5 minutes I disconnect and its lost. I'm sure no one like to have to run around buffing me every 5 minutes, and I know that I don't want to run all over the map to find people to buff me.

    So yeah, I guess increased MP pool would be awesome, and maybe iintroduce a jump. I know this is off topic, but BM's get leaps, Wizards get Distance Shrink, and venomancers can just sit back and let their pet do everything for them, unless the go heavy. Archers have a slightly faster speed for running on the ground, but yeah..thats just useless. We need something to get away faster, as do clerics. Don't see that happening anytime soon though, just wishfull thinking. b:beg

    We dont need barb or wizzy buff (they have mp increasing one). When you get over lvl40 you`ll spend maybe 150 mp on mob? Get a charm, I recommend you one. They are cheep compered with Pots and they last long. I have same MP charm since lvl51 and I still have 1/4 of it left, PvE really dont ask for much Mp, and I tend to go out sometimes with not really mp wise skills too. Disconection isnt games problem btw. What else... Umm, mp buff woudnt help at all, you spend mp at same rate even with it and no +regen. Same pot count on mob.
    You just need to wait, when you get into midle lvls it gets better fast.
    I kill things b:victory
  • Robotic - Lost City
    Robotic - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    We dont need barb or wizzy buff (they have mp increasing one). When you get over lvl40 you`ll spend maybe 150 mp on mob? Get a charm, I recommend you one. They are cheep compered with Pots and they last long. I have same MP charm since lvl51 and I still have 1/4 of it left, PvE really dont ask for much Mp, and I tend to go out sometimes with not really mp wise skills too. Disconection isnt games problem btw. What else... Umm, mp buff woudnt help at all, you spend mp at same rate even with it and no +regen. Same pot count on mob.
    You just need to wait, when you get into midle lvls it gets better fast.

    Never had a wiz buff me before I guess cuz I didn't know that. And yes, I'm well aware of my crappy internet connection, I'm not saying thats the games fault b:chuckle just that it sucks to get all buffed up then 5 minutes later lose it all.
    ROFLMAOMGb:shocked
  • Aldryami - Sanctuary
    Aldryami - Sanctuary Posts: 322 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Only use charms for zhenn or rebirth or tricky FBs. For pve use focus powder without a charm. Remember that charms are one of the ways PWE extort money from us.

    Take note of the times when your powders and buffs simultaneously cease and you x4 miss on a mob that draws aggro from an inceased defence mob and watch your charms tick away. And know that the software is designed to maximise profits.

    An interesting thing is that before I was aware of the manipulative nature of the software, and when I liked the company, I was far more willing to part with my dollars. Now that I don't like the company (but like many aspects of the game) I spend less money on it. My conjecture is that the eastern marketing ploys do not work on a western client base.
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    We dont need barb or wizzy buff (they have mp increasing one). When you get over lvl40 you`ll spend maybe 150 mp on mob? Get a charm, I recommend you one. They are cheep compered with Pots and they last long. I have same MP charm since lvl51 and I still have 1/4 of it left, PvE really dont ask for much Mp, and I tend to go out sometimes with not really mp wise skills too. Disconection isnt games problem btw. What else... Umm, mp buff woudnt help at all, you spend mp at same rate even with it and no +regen. Same pot count on mob.
    You just need to wait, when you get into midle lvls it gets better fast.

    at 40+ i spent 40 mp per mob

    frost (lv 1) > some 2 or 3 regulars > knockback (lv 1) > regular til dead

    worked just fine
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Randoms - Dreamweaver
    Randoms - Dreamweaver Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well, I count in some inc. defense and inc. life too.
    I kill things b:victory
  • Aralea - Sanctuary
    Aralea - Sanctuary Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Krels - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nobody said they were to lazy, they were simply pointing out the fact that its an annoyance that our class' buffs timers do not coincide with one another an making it more convenient to rebuff.
    GTFO :D

    I don't mimd buffing it every 10 but what annoys me is you can't refresh it earlier. You have to wait out the timer and rebuff.

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