Restatting to arcane?

Rikka - Harshlands
Rikka - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Venomancer
I'm a lvl 45 venomancer using LA. I've been considering restatting to arcane. What are the pros and cons of this? Should I stick to LA?

Here are my stats (keep in mind i have +str and +mag in some items).

Vit: 19
Mag: 137
Str: 51
Dex: 48

Would this be a good idea? If so, which stats would i need?

Thanks.b:victory
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    theres two types of arcane. all mag, or mag vit.

    pros to all mag:
    huge pet heal
    huge magic damage
    huge amounts of MP
    high mag def

    cons:
    low hp
    low pdef

    vit mag:
    high hp
    decent pdef
    pretty high matk/heal

    cons:
    not nearly as high heal or damage as all mag.

    my build itself is the vit mag one, have 150 vit and ~375 mag (ill get it 400 eventually)
    when i finish my refines ill have ~7k matk, 6k hp, 7.3k ish mp, 2k def, and i thouroughly enjoy the build as my durability compared to my fellow light armor, and all mag counter parts is way higher. but like they say, to each their own, build according to how your play style would need if you do switch
  • Rikka - Harshlands
    Rikka - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I'm definitely interested in going pure mag. Do I need to spend my money on restat scrolls or should I just put in 5mag every level from now on?
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    One question. Do you plan on fighting in Fox Form? Because if the answer is Yes, and not just as in, switching to Fox, using Amp, and switching back, stay LA. LA makes Fox Form so much more useful. You'll have attack power, and accuracy/evasion, and extra crits. The low HP of an LA build can, in fact, be raised easily. Just wear lower level HP hats. Make sure they're as good as you can get them, and drop it on your head. I've got a 3star HP helm with extra HP, MP, and Metal Defense that has been sharded with Evasion.

    HOWEVER. If you wanted to really, and I mean REALLY push your HP with an LA build, use HP shards, and nothing else.

    A HUGE NOTE: LA is expensive. I'll warn you that right now. In order to use LA effectively, it requires a TON of effort. Not quite as much as the HA build, which we aren't discussing here, but it takes a lot of determination.

    For instance, I farm TT. A lot. Not for the mats, but for the mirages. Why? Because almost every single piece of gear I own has been refined. At my level, I have just under 2.7k HP, and that's only because I've been concentrating on other things instead of my gear. I do so love Barb HP buffs. Bring me up to the middle of 3k. :)

    LA is designed for one thing, really. Survival of the middle ground. You'll be able to take Melee, and Magic hits. You'll take them nowhere near as effectively as their respective Armored counterparts, since Melee bounces off HA, and Magic just barely dings a robe/Vit build, but it suffices nicely since the other builds are weak against their opposing side. Now... HA/AA Venos... Still not as effective in Mag as Robes, but better than LA Vs Melee. That's why I'm an LA/AA Veno. I can take everything. Granted... A random FB mob decides to blast me with an attack while I'm wearing the wrong gear... It does hurt like a ****... But I'll still survive the attack.

    So, basically, it comes down to this.

    Do you want the potential for High HP, and GREAT Magic Defense, not to mention, if you push the Phys Def Shards endgame, a Good Physical Defense, AMAZING Magic power, but Crappy Phys Attack and pretty much limits you to only playing a caster?

    Or...

    Do you want the potential for Decent HP, Good Physical Defense, Good Magic Defense, Good Crits, Good Physical and Magical attack, and the ability to play any facet of your class?

    Either way, they're both good options. Tear makes a good Mag Build, I enjoy my LA build. We're suited for completely different tasks, yet, either of us can still hold our own easily in parties, and solo activities.
  • Rikka - Harshlands
    Rikka - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    One question. Do you plan on fighting in Fox Form? Because if the answer is Yes, and not just as in, switching to Fox, using Amp, and switching back, stay LA. LA makes Fox Form so much more useful. You'll have attack power, and accuracy/evasion, and extra crits. The low HP of an LA build can, in fact, be raised easily. Just wear lower level HP hats. Make sure they're as good as you can get them, and drop it on your head. I've got a 3star HP helm with extra HP, MP, and Metal Defense that has been sharded with Evasion.

    HOWEVER. If you wanted to really, and I mean REALLY push your HP with an LA build, use HP shards, and nothing else.

    A HUGE NOTE: LA is expensive. I'll warn you that right now. In order to use LA effectively, it requires a TON of effort. Not quite as much as the HA build, which we aren't discussing here, but it takes a lot of determination.

    For instance, I farm TT. A lot. Not for the mats, but for the mirages. Why? Because almost every single piece of gear I own has been refined. At my level, I have just under 2.7k HP, and that's only because I've been concentrating on other things instead of my gear. I do so love Barb HP buffs. Bring me up to the middle of 3k. :)

    LA is designed for one thing, really. Survival of the middle ground. You'll be able to take Melee, and Magic hits. You'll take them nowhere near as effectively as their respective Armored counterparts, since Melee bounces off HA, and Magic just barely dings a robe/Vit build, but it suffices nicely since the other builds are weak against their opposing side. Now... HA/AA Venos... Still not as effective in Mag as Robes, but better than LA Vs Melee. That's why I'm an LA/AA Veno. I can take everything. Granted... A random FB mob decides to blast me with an attack while I'm wearing the wrong gear... It does hurt like a ****... But I'll still survive the attack.

    So, basically, it comes down to this.

    Do you want the potential for High HP, and GREAT Magic Defense, not to mention, if you push the Phys Def Shards endgame, a Good Physical Defense, AMAZING Magic power, but Crappy Phys Attack and pretty much limits you to only playing a caster?

    Or...

    Do you want the potential for Decent HP, Good Physical Defense, Good Magic Defense, Good Crits, Good Physical and Magical attack, and the ability to play any facet of your class?

    Either way, they're both good options. Tear makes a good Mag Build, I enjoy my LA build. We're suited for completely different tasks, yet, either of us can still hold our own easily in parties, and solo activities.

    I haven't had a big chance to try out fox form yet but I'd certainly want to use it for debuffing bosses and such things in the future. I've been thinking of the robe build because of a higher magic defense, since i noticed that most mobs now use magic attacks that hit me for quite a lot in my LA.

    My damage has been lowered with only 3mag each level, and I guess I wouldn't mind playing a caster only. It does depend on the style of the player, and I don't have enough experience to have a personal preference.

    But since I'm already LA I guess I could stick to it and invest in HP shards sometime soon. Middle ground is pretty good, and I do want to play all the facets of my class. b:laugh

    The robe build seemed appealing because of the high mdef and increased damage, but if it comes down to a personal preference I should probably stick to what I have now and not complicate things any more.

    I'll still consider it, though.

    Thank you for your reply. :)
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Rikka - Harshlands wrote: »
    I haven't had a big chance to try out fox form yet but I'd certainly want to use it for debuffing bosses and such things in the future. I've been thinking of the robe build because of a higher magic defense, since i noticed that most mobs now use magic attacks that hit me for quite a lot in my LA.

    Take the easy way out, which is how I started, until I focused on raising that as well.

    Just buy some NPC robes and Ornaments for Mag Def, and carry them with you. Got a mob that you know won't melee? Pop them on, and stand your ground. Later, if you want, you can actually try to craft good robes, but it's not a huge necessity.
  • Rikka - Harshlands
    Rikka - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Take the easy way out, which is how I started, until I focused on raising that as well.

    Just buy some NPC robes and Ornaments for Mag Def, and carry them with you. Got a mob that you know won't melee? Pop them on, and stand your ground. Later, if you want, you can actually try to craft good robes, but it's not a huge necessity.

    That's what I'm going to do. Thanks for your advice (once again).
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Rikka - Harshlands wrote: »
    That's what I'm going to do. Thanks for your advice (once again).

    You're welcome. I don't mind sharing information. The amount of ****-ups I've had to fix because I didn't know any better are too many to count. Like when I thought it was a good idea to see what was past the river at Etherblade... At level 5. Got the free town portb:thanks On the wrong side of the river...b:shocked
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    note: LA is not expensive. its actually cheaper than both HA and arcane, as legendary gears that most LA use are cheap, and quite inexpensive to amass.

    only -your- build is expensive izzy man, nor ia LA about the fox either :P. its kinda like a mormon trying to spread his version of christianity around, saying thats the correct one.

    LA just centers around a 3 mag 1 str 1 dex caster build, and works much like arcane, but is not 'specifically' designed for fox, nor does arcane inhibit use of fox skills.

    youre one of the only few venos who uses pretty much all the fox skills outside purge and amp. its not fair to state things like that as theyre kind of misleading.

    this simpler way out is going all mag, or continuing cookie cutter LA. i still recommend the vit mag as it has the best survivability out of anything mentioned here.
  • Rikka - Harshlands
    Rikka - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    note: LA is not expensive. its actually cheaper than both HA and arcane, as legendary gears that most LA use are cheap, and quite inexpensive to amass.

    only -your- build is expensive izzy man, nor ia LA about the fox either :P. its kinda like a mormon trying to spread his version of christianity around, saying thats the correct one.

    LA just centers around a 3 mag 1 str 1 dex caster build, and works much like arcane, but is not 'specifically' designed for fox, nor does arcane inhibit use of fox skills.

    youre one of the only few venos who uses pretty much all the fox skills outside purge and amp. its not fair to state things like that as theyre kind of misleading.

    this simpler way out is going all mag, or continuing cookie cutter LA. i still recommend the vit mag as it has the best survivability out of anything mentioned here.

    So I can now simply go all mag as I continue to level?
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Rikka - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm a lvl 45 venomancer using LA. I've been considering restatting to arcane. What are the pros and cons of this? Should I stick to LA?
    The numbers you want are here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=310221
  • Rikka - Harshlands
    Rikka - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The numbers you want are here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=310221

    Thank you. :)
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    note: LA is not expensive. its actually cheaper than both HA and arcane, as legendary gears that most LA use are cheap, and quite inexpensive to amass.

    only -your- build is expensive izzy man, nor ia LA about the fox either :P. its kinda like a mormon trying to spread his version of christianity around, saying thats the correct one.

    LA just centers around a 3 mag 1 str 1 dex caster build, and works much like arcane, but is not 'specifically' designed for fox, nor does arcane inhibit use of fox skills.

    youre one of the only few venos who uses pretty much all the fox skills outside purge and amp. its not fair to state things like that as theyre kind of misleading.

    this simpler way out is going all mag, or continuing cookie cutter LA. i still recommend the vit mag as it has the best survivability out of anything mentioned here.

    Huh. I never knew. I thought everyone put as much money into their LA... Well... ****... *Adds that to the list of "Thing I was wrong about".* Man, that list is getting huge...
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    well if you consider: greiving sorrow, boots of tiger strength, blood bracers of fang, dark shin guards of hades... etc on our server they all range from 400k-1.2m, thats kind of extremely cheap compared to how much i had to pay for arcane junk. typical LA uses a requiem blade at 89 too, another 500k ish. the build isnt too expensive, i think whats expensive is your need to forge your own armors to get buffs you need on them, as the cost for those can easily pile up if youre not a mat farmer.

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