Kiteing
Robotic - Lost City
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While this may be a stupid question, in all seriousness, how is it done? I do take aim then a quick shot, by that time the mob is near me, I go to run away and it keeps following me, or it stands in the spot and attacks and its attack still hits me, then by the time I go to do another shot its already running towards me and once the shot is done channeling its back next to me attacking. Does anyone know a guide or something or a video or whatever..
Let the flameing of my stupidity begin.
Sadly though, I really am being serious. b:sad
Let the flameing of my stupidity begin.
Sadly though, I really am being serious. b:sad
ROFLMAOMGb:shocked
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I didn't know Archers had to kite, I thought the mobs were supposed to be dead before they got close enough to hit you.
Anyway, I don't have experience with Archer. But for kiting with Wizard, I start the attack, click a spot to move to while it's chanelling and casting, and when it casts I start moving to that spot automatically. Reach spot, begin channel and repeat. It keeps mobs far enough away from me that they can't hit me, and when I stop they come back into my range just long enough for me to do the next spell - then I'm out of their range again.
I'd assume it would work something like that for an Archer, though your channel/cast times are probably different than mine.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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It doesnt, at least not for me. I do exactly what you said: attack, click away, then once the attack is done im movin, but while thats happening the mob is running towards me, then once the shot is done hes gearing up for an attack, and as I run away to the next spot its attack hits me. Idk how thats possible to be running away and an attack still hits you, but by the time that Ive run away and its attack has hit me, making it comletely worthless to even bother kiting cuz im taking the hits anyways, its already running towards me..again..and again..I go to take a shot and by the time its shooting the mob is already next to me getting ready to attack. Not only is my damage halved because somehow the mobs keep managing to get to me, but I'm also taking the damage that I'm trying to avoid taking by doing the kiting in the first place. Nevertheless, kiting makes every battle longer anyways..so I'm just wondering whats going wrong that it isnt working as so many have said it does. Sometimes it hasnt even reached me by the time that I'm taking a shot so then while I'm running to the spot that I clicked away from, it just keeps on running. WTF FML. I'm remembering why I rolled a BM.
And no; I'm level 10, mobs arent dead by the time they get to me.ROFLMAOMGb:shocked0 -
Well, at least till you get frost arrow you wont be able to kit. After that you can try, but I was too lazy for that so I just tanked what they got, so not really know how to too.
Good news, after lvl20 you wont be taking too many hits. After lvl50 barely at all.
Thats from mobs though.I kill things b:victory0 -
Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well, at least till you get frost arrow you wont be able to kit. After that you can try, but I was too lazy for that so I just tanked what they got, so not really know how to too.
Good news, after lvl20 you wont be taking too many hits. After lvl50 barely at all.
Thats from mobs though.
When I had my other archer, lvl 23, mobs always got to me. Knockback arrow isnt as great as it says either because you knock them back such an insignificant distance and while theyre being knocked back theyre still running towards you. Once knocked all the way back, they continue to run towards you as well. I'd think that the knock backwards should either be extended or some kind of stun once you knock them back. Doenst have to be a long stun, just something to make even useing the skill worth my time.ROFLMAOMGb:shocked0 -
You might want to check your Stats against the guides in this forum. An Archer needs Dex to make his attacks do damage. If by chance you've been putting points into strength (beyond what you need for your armor), your attack power will be too low. It's fixable at your level though, if that's what's happened. Just stop putting strength in and pump full dex until you reach the level of armor that your Strength # fulfils.
If that isn't it... um... You need a real Archer to help ya XD I just happen to live in the forums and "Kiting" caught my eye because that's a Wizard thing.
Sounds like you'd be better off just staying in place and shooting at it. Move away only when you need to maintain your maximim range, since when it gets in close your damage level drops drastically. That should be melee range. So if it's close enough for you to slap, back off.
At some point you should get Knockback skills that will keep it far from you. In the meantime, you might want to make some Life Powders to keep your HP regen high.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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There is a speed and animation problem in this game with respect to kiting. In the other Asian mmos I've been playing for several years the archers are always faster than the mobs and all other players by 10-20% and constantly gets passive upgrades throughout leveling when monsters become faster, so kiting only ever needed five seconds to reach maximum range away, a half a second pulling the bow back while turning around and once fired your avatar moves off instantly, very easy to keep that distance from the mob. In PWI however the difference between mob and archer speed is so small one has to run for ten seconds, or rather into another player's grind area, just to have enough distance for the character to stop, take a second and a half to fire, and then start off running again, just barely escaping being hit. The monsters are either too fast, or everyone else is too slow, one should change because myself and other archers I've seen just end up tanking and accepting the repair fee for armor. shell + life powder = tank anyway, why kite and make it take an hour what would be fifteen minutes taking it in the face.0
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Easy Combo To Kite (I've used for PvP, PvE i dont need to kite)
Frost Arrow - Vicious Arrow - Serrated Arrow - Frost Arrow - Thunder Shock - Lightning Strike
By then, between the DoT damage and the higher metal damage due to Thunder Shock, i've beaten every class my level, and only been beaten by BM/Barbs 3-4 levels higher then myself.0 -
Lareish - Harshlands wrote: »You might want to check your Stats against the guides in this forum. An Archer needs Dex to make his attacks do damage. If by chance you've been putting points into strength (beyond what you need for your armor), your attack power will be too low. It's fixable at your level though, if that's what's happened. Just stop putting strength in and pump full dex until you reach the level of armor that your Strength # fulfils.
If that isn't it... um... You need a real Archer to help ya XD I just happen to live in the forums and "Kiting" caught my eye because that's a Wizard thing.
Sounds like you'd be better off just staying in place and shooting at it. Move away only when you need to maintain your maximim range, since when it gets in close your damage level drops drastically. That should be melee range. So if it's close enough for you to slap, back off.
At some point you should get Knockback skills that will keep it far from you. In the meantime, you might want to make some Life Powders to keep your HP regen high.
1 str 4 dex/lvl. I looked around a while before even making an archer, my BM is lvl 45. Wizards have it much easier imo, with your distance shrink at least. Then again your spells take longer to cast, so distance shrink would be essential in your case whereas archers can take a little bit at least. BM's have leaps, wizards have distance shrink, and a veno can pretty much sit back filing her nails and throwing in a pet heal at her leisure. Why did archer/cleric get gimped with nothing to get away from mobs faster? b:angryAlacrity - Dreamweaver wrote: »There is a speed and animation problem in this game with respect to kiting. In the other Asian mmos I've been playing for several years the archers are always faster than the mobs and all other players by 10-20% and constantly gets passive upgrades throughout leveling when monsters become faster, so kiting only ever needed five seconds to reach maximum range away, a half a second pulling the bow back while turning around and once fired your avatar moves off instantly, very easy to keep that distance from the mob. In PWI however the difference between mob and archer speed is so small one has to run for ten seconds, or rather into another player's grind area, just to have enough distance for the character to stop, take a second and a half to fire, and then start off running again, just barely escaping being hit. The monsters are either too fast, or everyone else is too slow, one should change because myself and other archers I've seen just end up tanking and accepting the repair fee for armor. shell + life powder = tank anyway, why kite and make it take an hour what would be fifteen minutes taking it in the face.
Thats true I guess, the quests take forever to complete by kiting. It's not like the mobs are that strong right now, I dont lose that much hp, but itll get annoying at higher levels I'm assuming. Then again with crits and that maybe it wont be too bad. Hopefully after 60 zhen makes life cake.ROFLMAOMGb:shocked0 -
Robotic, my advice on build -
Strength Level = (Your Level + 4) (at level 10, 14 strength then)
And pump the rest into Dex.
Best Build IMHO.0 -
Krels - Sanctuary wrote: »Robotic, my advice on build -
Strength Level = (Your Level + 4) (at level 10, 14 strength then)
And pump the rest into Dex.
Best Build IMHO.
Thats what I do b:victory
And yet I still can't get down kiteing, not that the two have anything to do with eachother..ROFLMAOMGb:shocked0 -
Archers dont really need to kite,I've never done it myself except at pvp.
I dont remember in wich lvl u get winged blessing (increases your max range) but its one of the skills you will want to have maxed.
Try: Take aim--->frost arrow--->quickshot---->mob is in front of you, tank it with plume shell.
That worked for me at lower lvls before I got knock back arrow. :P0 -
Robotic - Lost City wrote: »While this may be a stupid question, in all seriousness, how is it done? I do take aim then a quick shot, by that time the mob is near me, I go to run away and it keeps following me, or it stands in the spot and attacks and its attack still hits me, then by the time I go to do another shot its already running towards me and once the shot is done channeling its back next to me attacking. Does anyone know a guide or something or a video or whatever..
I am not sure if I really get how things are working for you, so I will try giving some random bits of advice:
If you open with take aim and then use quick shot immediately after and then get hit, you started too close to your monster.
You should always start from maximum range.
Also, when you use take aim on a monster which is attacking you, you should not charge your aim. You should instead use instant mode take aim.
However, low level archers are rather tough, when compared with low level monsters. So you can afford to take a few hits if you must.
Also, if you want to be kiting a monster which is hitting you, do NOT run away, instead jump over (using double jump) and then take your shot. This should give you enough range so you do full damage.0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »I am not sure if I really get how things are working for you, so I will try giving some random bits of advice:
If you open with take aim and then use quick shot immediately after and then get hit, you started too close to your monster.
You should always start from maximum range.
Also, when you use take aim on a monster which is attacking you, you should not charge your aim. You should instead use instant mode take aim.
However, low level archers are rather tough, when compared with low level monsters. So you can afford to take a few hits if you must.
Also, if you want to be kiting a monster which is hitting you, do NOT run away, instead jump over (using double jump) and then take your shot. This should give you enough range so you do full damage.
Normally I use take aim quick shot and maybe 1 or two regular arrows and its right next to me, but yeah I always start from max distance. I havent leveled either take aim or quick shot and my frost arrow is lvl 1 cuz I just got it. Maybe since I havent leveled either of those skills is why I'm having problems with killing the mob before it gets to me as they probably do less damage, but the guide I'm following says they arent really needed skills until 60+.ROFLMAOMGb:shocked0 -
Hey,
Its hard to Kite effectively at first but it does get better as you Lv and your range of skills expands.
You will find that most archers only Kite for PvP, this is because once you master it then you are near unstoppable against most other classes. I'm sorry but I don't know of any Videos or Guides on how to Kite, and personally I just pick it up through Duels and World PvP/TW.
When it comes to PvE at the lower Lv's things will be hard I know a lot of people who used a melee weapon for the first 10-15 Lv's as they found it easier, I did not and stuck it out with my Bow. The only real advice I can give is have potions ready and don't be afraid to die... it happens to all of us lol and the Exp gains are so fast at these Lv's that the lost Exp isn't even noticed.
One you get past the initial Lv's I found the best combo to include a Frost Arrow > Knock Back > Stun > Frost Arrow - Then just mix in what you want as most things will be 1 hit from dead, the only problem with these types of combos is they are mana heavy which is one thing we don't want to be spending our money on since we already have to buy ammunition for each shot we take, we do get winged shell which regenerates our mana and is a god send as it lets us take a hit or two when things get in melee range.
But the best thing I can advise to get as an Archer are 1 gold charm of each type as soon as you can (was Lv.10 for me due to the cash shop rules), these will last until you are in the mid/high 30's and make the Lv's when we cant kill things very fast a breeze.
Once you get in the 6x's you will start to find you have left most of your skills behind and Hunt/Lv/Grind/Quest or what ever you want to call it with minimal skill usage as our normal shots take most things down in 3-5 hits which is normally fast enough to take 0-1 hits from the mob you are fighting, but remember to still Lv. up your skills as they are vital for PvP and Boss hunting later,
Hope that was of some help, It is 1:30am so It might be a little bit out lol!
/Akah ^^0 -
PVE- dont kite
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Akah - Harshlands wrote: »Hey,
Its hard to Kite effectively at first but it does get better as you Lv and your range of skills expands.
You will find that most archers only Kite for PvP, this is because once you master it then you are near unstoppable against most other classes. I'm sorry but I don't know of any Videos or Guides on how to Kite, and personally I just pick it up through Duels and World PvP/TW.
When it comes to PvE at the lower Lv's things will be hard I know a lot of people who used a melee weapon for the first 10-15 Lv's as they found it easier, I did not and stuck it out with my Bow. The only real advice I can give is have potions ready and don't be afraid to die... it happens to all of us lol and the Exp gains are so fast at these Lv's that the lost Exp isn't even noticed.
One you get past the initial Lv's I found the best combo to include a Frost Arrow > Knock Back > Stun > Frost Arrow - Then just mix in what you want as most things will be 1 hit from dead, the only problem with these types of combos is they are mana heavy which is one thing we don't want to be spending our money on since we already have to buy ammunition for each shot we take, we do get winged shell which regenerates our mana and is a god send as it lets us take a hit or two when things get in melee range.
But the best thing I can advise to get as an Archer are 1 gold charm of each type as soon as you can (was Lv.10 for me due to the cash shop rules), these will last until you are in the mid/high 30's and make the Lv's when we cant kill things very fast a breeze.
Once you get in the 6x's you will start to find you have left most of your skills behind and Hunt/Lv/Grind/Quest or what ever you want to call it with minimal skill usage as our normal shots take most things down in 3-5 hits which is normally fast enough to take 0-1 hits from the mob you are fighting, but remember to still Lv. up your skills as they are vital for PvP and Boss hunting later,
Hope that was of some help, It is 1:30am so It might be a little bit out lol!
/Akah ^^
Yeah it helps; I was thinking about buying a MP charm or both, not really sure. Honestly I love my BM and I'm just trying out an archer, though I'm still confused if the class is what I'm looking for. When it comes to PvP I like a class that can take on more than one at a time and I'd think that an archer can maybe take on two if s/he knows what they are are doing, but a BM or Barb could probably do more. So I'm not so sure I'd like to spend 800k right off the bat on my archer without knowing if I'm even going to stick with it past 3x, as getting it to at least 30 is my goal for the moment.Waterboy - Lost City wrote: »PVE- dont kite
PVP-kite like hell if u wanna win
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Robotic - Lost City wrote: »Normally I use take aim quick shot and maybe 1 or two regular arrows and its right next to me, but yeah I always start from max distance. I havent leveled either take aim or quick shot and my frost arrow is lvl 1 cuz I just got it. Maybe since I havent leveled either of those skills is why I'm having problems with killing the mob before it gets to me as they probably do less damage, but the guide I'm following says they arent really needed skills until 60+.
If I were you, I would start running when my quickshot was channelling.
And, if you have a take-aim, quickshot combo, this becomes easier.
Let us say you have this combo on your F1 key: I would kit like this: combo, run (count your steps), combo combo, run, combo combo run, ...
If you use your combo twice in a row, your take aim will shoot almost instantly because you had take aim for your first skill in your combo.
If you "start" running when your quickshot was channelling, you gain control instantly when your shot goes off. If you count your steps you can find a distance where you have not run too far (if you run too far you must then run back) and have not run far enough (if you have not run far enough your skills will still be cooling down and you must wait).
Later on, you will get other skills which will help, and you will stop using this approach but if I was playing a low level archer I would be doing this.0 -
kiting .... wht is that b:question
nvr done something like that yet.
I stand an fight like a man b:coolBy the power of the alt lord ....
I am ALT-MAN b:cool
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<--- lvl 23 archer and heres what i do against mobs my level with a combo i made:
run upto and past mob as far away as poss(this gets u the maximum range)
viscious arrow (poison first hit to let it take effect)
knockback (resets mob back to maximum range)
quick shot cus i lvled it to 6 (looks cool imo lol)
lightening strike lvl 2
(mob gets back on me and hits me (wish my dodge worked >.>)
regular attack
(mob dies)
regular attack (i put these on the end incase i miss a previous skill)
now this combo may seem lame but it uses no chi (and builds it rapidly) AND U DON'T HAVE TO **** ABOUT MOVING lol
the mana burn is maybe 3 combo's per full mana bar
and i have never seen a standard mob my lvl survive the combo ^^
i have a better more chi/mana consuming one involving better skills but this seems effective for low cost quick farming
i would maybe replace quick shot with frost arrow as it's in the middle of the combo so it would have the required chi
sorry to crit everyone with a wall of text but i am an archer after all and crit is what i do best ^^0 -
Cal - Harshlands wrote: »kiting .... wht is that b:question
nvr done something like that yet.
I stand an fight like a man b:cool
are u an archer?
if ur archer against BM/barb in PVP and dont kite, u will fail.
and if u actually win without kiting, the person u PVPed with is weaker than u by ALOT.
but in PVE..
archers at higher levels dont even need to kite. frost arrow + 3-4 normal shots and the mob is dead, even faster if theres like 1-2 crits in there.
so to summerise it, if ur archer, u will fail at PVP against a good barb/BM since u dont know whats kiting.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
hmm at your level hun, try going frost arrow, instant take aim, normal normal lightning should be dead, could slot in a quickshot instead of a normal if the dmg is more than a normal. At Mid levels, frost arrow, instant take aim, knockback normal and if its still there lightning. Or just frost normal normal KB normal lightning0
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XxHKSSxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »are u an archer?
if ur archer against BM/barb in PVP and dont kite, u will fail.
and if u actually win without kiting, the person u PVPed with is weaker than u by ALOT.
but in PVE..
archers at higher levels dont even need to kite. frost arrow + 3-4 normal shots and the mob is dead, even faster if theres like 1-2 crits in there.
so to summerise it, if ur archer, u will fail at PVP against a good barb/BM since u dont know whats kiting.
In the two guides I've read, one has said max Frost arrow, the other said level maybe a few levels. What is the max I should level it? And what are it's uses in PvP, as in does the slow effect work in PvP?ROFLMAOMGb:shocked0 -
Fuhjeebies - Harshlands wrote: »now this combo may seem lame but it uses no chi (and builds it rapidly)
Ok, but... building chi can be very useful, but if you have full chi and you are wasting your chi. Any chi you would have built when your chi bar was full vanishes into nothing.Robotic - Lost City wrote: »In the two guides I've read, one has said max Frost arrow, the other said level maybe a few levels. What is the max I should level it?
In my opinion, if you use plumed shell in your combats, frost arrow might not matter, but if you use frost arrow frequently you can not get too many of its levels.0 -
I never did kiting in this game but on other games I did alot of kiting as Archer.
My low level combo (using bow or xbow):
Frost Arrow - Quickshot - Lightning Strike - Normal
My current combo (using sling):
Frost Arrow - Normal - Normal - Knockback - (Stun Arrow if Inc. HP or Def) - Normal - (Winged Pledge 2x - Knockback - start combo over at Frost if Elite)
Archers are a bit tough at first but they are fun compared to other classes that require less skill. My friend has a Veno with herc and is bored of the character because rounding up 5-6 mobs at a time for grinding and soloing FBs/TTs makes them feel bored and lonely.
Kiting in PVE is making the game harder than needed but that's only my playstyle in PW.0 -
XxHKSSxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »are u an archer?
if ur archer against BM/barb in PVP and dont kite, u will fail.
and if u actually win without kiting, the person u PVPed with is weaker than u by ALOT.
but in PVE..
archers at higher levels dont even need to kite. frost arrow + 3-4 normal shots and the mob is dead, even faster if theres like 1-2 crits in there.
so to summerise it, if ur archer, u will fail at PVP against a good barb/BM since u dont know whats kiting.
ooooooh
Pls tell that to the large number of bm's i have killed. And i dont fight noobs.
Well i have killed 9X bm's when i was 8x, you just need to know how to fight.
that is not 3 spark dmg and on a lvl97 BM
btw hell archer, so no frost arrow. b
and for barb, dont be foolish enough to kite. If the barb is gud he will kill you be4 u reach SZ, if he is not well then you wont be kiting but just flying away from loss of charm.
and for PVE, i advise starting off with the stun shot than frost arrow, no chi loss + stun allows to sneak in one more extra shot than with frost.By the power of the alt lord ....
I am ALT-MAN b:cool
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I use this strategy
Take aim-->Frost Arrow-->Normal Arrow-->Knockback Arrow-->Normal Arrows the finish
If your enemy still has a large amount of hp left use lightning arrow at melee range then run back and finish him off and use winged shell to protect you hp tooWhat is life but a play in which everyone acts a part until the curtain comes down?~Desiderius Erasmus0
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