Common Veno Mistakes
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EDIT Dbl posted somehow... Removed.Zetarana - Arcane Veno
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Okay, I know that I said I would stop arguing with you but I just checked newest post and saw that you had recently posted. I just had to see what you said. After reading your post I decided that I needed to reply. As always, read the red text.The more insulting and condescending, the stupider the replies.
Has it occurred to you that maybe the reason why everyone is being so "insulting and condescending" is because you're provoking such a response from them? Hell, I'll admit that I'm not exactly being friendly in my posts but neither are you (which is why I wanted to stop in the first place). You have dismissed the opinions of everyone who disagrees with you as either irrelevant or lacking substance (even when they are neither). Read your previous posts if you don't believe me. Choosing small parts of posts to quote and comment on so that it seems as if everyone is flaming you doesn't help either.Claiming that Venos are nothing without Legendary pets,
7) Over Leveling Skills before getting Legendary Pets
Your own words from your starting post. Also, throughout the topic you've mentioned placing the acquisition of either a herc or phoenix as your first priority. Before you upgrade skills, waste coins upgrading an "inferior" pet, or even refining your gear, you need to get a legendary pet. While you don't specifically state that a veno without either is nothing, it is strongly implied. Dismissing someone's point as unsubstantiated because you're too lazy to read over what you've said is not going make people suddenly become respectful.since while it can't tank as well as a Herc, my Magmite always keeps aggro
Isala admits that a magmite can't tank as well as a herc (and so has everyone else for that matter) and you're saying still saying a herc can tank better than a magmite? Yes, herc is a better tank than a magmite (no matter what level the magmite is). No one is arguing with you there so tossing it back in our faces after we admit it is not making you any friends.Kowlin and frog are pointless to go to the effort of getting
You say yourself that there are better alternatives to the kowlin (which Isala said in the rest of the paragraph that you seem to have forgotten). You also say that kill speed is important (hence the reason for the phoenix) which would logically make the frog (with it's low damage output) a terrible choice.And I use pots. I'm a hybrid so I can play Catch in FB's.
The paragraph which says that venos are limited by how well they can keep their pets alive? Right there you have every fox form veno (who get close to mobs and attack with their pets) pissed at you. Could be another reason for the insults.As for Overrefining, and overleveling? There's no such thing. If you're pulling aggro off your pet because of refinement? You've screwed up somewhere. Somewhere big.
Ooh, sarcasm. So much fun to use and so effective at pissing off anyone it's directed to. Yeah, an insulting and condescending (hm, where have I heard that before?) comment will only provoke others to do the same. Am I being hypocritical? Yes I am, but the difference is that at least I don't pretend to be confused about why people are angry at me. Does that make me better? No, but at least I can pretend I am.
One last thing before I click the little reply button. Your stubborn refusal to accept the fact that there are other ways of playing isn't making you any friends. I'm not saying to suddenly change you're playing style, whatever works for you is fine, but at the very least admit that others may have a point to some of their arguments.Meh, saw a couple other people doing this so...
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Alphae - Lost City wrote: »Your point about bash and flesh ream is correct, but very situational and NOT stated as such, and so is liable to be very confusing. For the "average" veno (arcane) using the "average" pet (sawfly and magmite), bash and FR are their best weapons because these pets have decent attack power, as well as build threat/aggro.
And if you don't want to invite inflammatory comments, don't make them. If you think you aren't, I'd suggest you read this thread to see what a non-inflammatory but "controversial" (at least to some) set of posts looks like.
I don't believe anyone in this thread has been so nasty as you, tweakz. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
just wonder if Tweakz ever tried some real hard boss tanking....
not some bosses from TT 1-x, nor Fb 79 - 89
But: Cosmo in 2-2 / 2-3 , or TT 3-1 in squad mode, some of the nasty ones from antiquity ...
Herc isnt the panaceI look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.
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Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »just wonder if Tweakz ever tried some real hard boss tanking....
not some bosses from TT 1-x, nor Fb 79 - 89
But: Cosmo in 2-2 / 2-3 , or TT 3-1 in squad mode, some of the nasty ones from antiquity ...
Herc isnt the panace
Oh, you mean some of those bosses that can still kill my level 91 herc in 2 or 3 hits where all you can do is spam heal and missing just 1 heal means you die? Yeah those are fun to fight.b:victoryMain characters
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Maybe you should use something else besides your Herc, if you keep pulling aggro from it. There is a fairly small percentage of content in this game where Herc is the only way to do it, but for the fast majority of things, if you keep having issues with Herc not holding aggro, maybe you should use a Mag like Isala's so you can kill faster. (My mag has 3 attack skills and Threaten, never had issues of going nuclear on mobs and mag loose aggro)
Pets are tools, however, just like even though sledge hammers are fun to use, they may not be the best choice of tool when working with glass.....
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Let's all ignore how much one has to spend to be able to kill your level mobs in 3 hits instead of 4, and focus on *OMG she's stealing aggro*!
If I used a Crystalline Magmite, I obviously wouldn't have the problem because I'd be stuck healing it more often. b:chuckle
I'm not going to pull a Crystalline Magmite out in an FB when I have a Herc available. Herc is faster which usually equates to getting mobs aggro off tabber's faster. Herc can also handle more mobs at a time and this comes in handy on occasion, especially with the Reflect that comes with it. Where the Herc has trouble holding aggro is on ranged mobs or bosses like Stygean Quartermaster which don't get reflect damage. Archers don't tend to mind using cheaper / less ammo, Wiz's and Clerics don't tend to mind saving a bit of MP, and Barbs don't tend to mind saving on repair costs to let a Herc tank these bosses.
For the argument about getting the best armor/ weapon refines before a Herc, well look at the beginning of this survey: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=325551 , which doesn't have fail veno's in bitter denial attempting to defend their mistakes instead of accepting them. Herc and Nix bring more dynamics to the game play and enable the Veno to do things they couldn't otherwise.
The 80+ venos in TW factions that don't have a Nix are just plain moochers. It's easier to obtain a Nix than to level it by that level. They're taking advantage of TW pay being based on level and not ability. I don't care if some people don't feel threatened by the Nix because of their 1337 skills, Veno's just plain kill more and faster in general with one than without."tweakz", Show yer hand or fold...
I have a Herc with lvl 5 bash (achieved at lv. 72), a Nix with lvl 5 flesh ream (achieved at lv. 74), a Celestial Plumpfish with lvl 5 Herc buffs and lvl 5 bash (achieved at lv. 81) despite making some of these common mistakes. I no longer have these priorities to save for, and at my current level no one should.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Let's all ignore how much one has to spend to be able to kill your level mobs in 3 hits instead of 4, and focus on *OMG she's stealing aggro*!
3 Vs 4 hits... Hmmm... Someone can't figure out simple math. Let's calculate, shall we, and I'll use the tons of mobs we have to grind as an example. 1 mob. 3hits/4hits. Not a big difference. 10 mobs. 30hits/40hits. Starting to make a bit of difference there 100 mobs. 300hits/400hit. Are you seeing my point here? No matter what you might think otherwise, a faster kill speed is ALWAYS a good thing.
If I used a Crystalline Magmite, I obviously wouldn't have the problem because I'd be stuck healing it more often. b:chuckle
As I've said, you just don't get the potential of the Magmite, and you never will. Yeah. You'll be tossing a couple more heals at it, but if you've built one properly, it's going to be out DPSing the Herc easily on the right mobs.
I'm not going to pull a Crystalline Magmite out in an FB when I have a Herc available. Herc is faster which usually equates to getting mobs aggro off tabber's faster.
There is not enough words to describe how wrong you are. Herc only has 2 aggro skills. Bash, and Pounce. If say... A wizard crits on a mob, and pulls aggro, your little yellow man isn't getting that back easy. My Magmite, on the other hand, lays down the law, and forces the mob back where it belongs. And, truthfully? Speed doesn't make a difference if you fully play your character. In every single FB I run, I have my corresponding Genie, which comes with the skill to freeze a mob for a couple seconds. I hit that spell at the same time I'm casting Lucky Scarab. The mob stops long enough for my Golem to get his Skills off, and the mob immediately switches gears.
Where the Herc has trouble holding aggro is on ranged mobs or bosses like Stygean Quartermaster which don't get reflect damage.
Last I checked... There were a buttload of kiting mobs. Kiting mobs that LOVE changing aggro because an Archer, or Wizard, or even a Cleric fired an attack at them. See above for how you deal with it.
Obviously, you've put effort into your playing style. Nobody is begrudging you that. But what you're saying is mostly wrong. You focus on one thing, and one thing only. How Uber your Legendary Pets make you. And that makes you just like the countless other Dime a Dozen venos out there. They get the Herc, they get the Nix, and then they stop thinking of ways they can improve themselves. You have potential. Stop cowering in your fortress of Legendary Pets, and take a peek outside. You see all those other Venos having fun, and being good at what they do? They aren't that scary. Learn from them, teach them, don't just ignore them. We all have something to give to each other.0 -
Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »As I've said, you just don't get the potential of the Magmite, and you never will. Yeah. You'll be tossing a couple more heals at it, but if you've built one properly, it's going to be out DPSing the Herc easily on the right mobs.
If you use the golem's Bash + Sandblow skills (both do the same nominal damage), I'd venture it'll out-damage a herc using Bash + reflect in most outdoor fights against same-level mobs. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll kill quicker - the extra time to heal between fights will slow down your kills per hour rate compared to a herc. But the mobs should die faster during the fight.
In longer fights in FBs and TT, and especially against high-damage physical mobs, there's no question the herc is better. But against regular outdoor mobs fought one at a time, there's not much difference between using a golem or a herc. Toss in a couple extra damage skills on the golem and I can easily see it out-damaging a herc against most outdoor mobs. That's the biggest weakness to the herc IMHO - you're really constrained to just one optional skill. A lot of times when clearing regular mobs in FBs or TT, I've wished I had my golem out instead of my herc because my golem has Roar to instantly pull aggro off of others.0 -
Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »As we calculated in that loooong thread where we hashed out the numbers, the damage skills are front-loaded because the cooldown timers start off fresh at the start of a fight. A golem using Bash will out-damage a herc using Bash if the fight lasts less than something like 9 to 22 seconds. (The uncertainty is due to nobody knowing exactly how long it takes to fire off a pet skill or how it affects regular attacks.) That did not take reflect damage into account however.
If you use the golem's Bash + Sandblow skills (both do the same nominal damage), I'd venture it'll out-damage a herc using Bash + reflect in most outdoor fights against same-level mobs. That doesn't necessarily mean you'll kill quicker - the extra time to heal between fights will slow down your kills per hour rate compared to a herc. But the mobs should die faster during the fight.
In longer fights in FBs and TT, and especially against high-damage physical mobs, there's no question the herc is better. But against regular outdoor mobs fought one at a time, there's not much difference between using a golem or a herc. Toss in a couple extra damage skills on the golem and I can easily see it out-damaging a herc against most outdoor mobs. That's the biggest weakness to the herc IMHO - you're really constrained to just one optional skill. A lot of times when clearing regular mobs in FBs or TT, I've wished I had my golem out instead of my herc because my golem has Roar to instantly pull aggro off of others.
Just a sidenote about my Golem? It has Bash, Sandblow, Flesh Ream, and Thunderbolt. I trained it to be a DPS tank to make up for its lack of uber tankability. Getting, and Keeping aggro is a piece of cake for it. And, there is honestly a reason I prefer my golem. I'm a hybrid who parties with High-End Mag build Venos. If I'm tanking with my Golem, even though I'm not really attacking very often, the fact that they don't have to heal at all makes fights faster with their extreme DPS, and the fact that they can crit all they want, they're not getting aggro. None of this slowing down attacking so the Herc can keep aggro garbage. They can frontload, and frontload, and frontload. Plus... If the Golem does accidentally die? There's a Herc Right beside it, ready to do the real tanking. I carry oils, because I know that a Golem doesn't have the survivability of a Herc, and sometimes dies.
It's a simple matter of finding something effective. I fight in Fox Form 75% of the time. I have skills that decrease Accuracy. Both mine, and my genie's. Which causes Melee mobs to miss my pet. Which means I heal less, which means that I can cause damage as well, or use Amp. Because, unlike a Herc trying to tank, I can Amp the hell out of anything, a cleric can use Seals, and no matter what, even if the casters crit time, and time again... They aren't getting aggro.0 -
For the argument about getting the best armor/ weapon refines before a Herc, well look at the beginning of this survey: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=325551 , which doesn't have fail veno's in bitter denial attempting to defend their mistakes instead of accepting them.
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1) Why are you being such an ****? No one in this thread has said you're completely wrong, not ever, and most of us are agreeing with you on nearly all of your points, we're just debating the finer aspects of a few of them. The only one who seems to be in bitter denial is you, m'dear, for it has only been you that has totally dismissed everything people have to say out-of-hand.
2) No one said to get gears before herc. You *can* live without good gears as a mag veno. But an LA veno/HA foxform + melee veno/HA+AA veno NEEDS good gears to survive. LA is arguably the most expensive of these builds over the long haul and when money is tightest because a lot of people play LA from day 1. It's very difficult to play a fully geared HA+AA veno from day one.
@Isala
I would agree with you about the herc, he's frankly useless on non-? bosses with full party unless the party LIKES to sit and watch you spam heal, he just can't generate the agro. I generally pull out a DPS pet such as my Knowlin which has decent attack, let the barb tank, and then pay him for repairs at the end, it's just much safer and more fun. (On ? bosses the herc is the only one doing decent damage, and his aggro skills combined with the high reflect damage of these bosses will allow him to keep aggro over nearly anything--THIS is where the herc really shines.)
@Solandri
I feel the limitations of the herc as well, makes me wish sometimes I hadn't let my magmite get about 2 levels under me. However I haven't invested in any damage skills on him because I knew I was aiming for herc. I just upgraded his bash to hold aggro over me, that was enough.
But how do you feel about making him a debuff pet behind a barb? He'd hold his own in phys aoe situations but I'm trying to think of bosses that do heavy mag aoe, and whether Tough is worth a spot on him for that purpose or whether he should just not be pulled out during those times and I should just wait for the bear, which I DO plan to make a debuff-behind-barb pet, and considering claw to somewhat increase his lame-o damage.
back @ OP
Herc is useful in a lot of situations. However he is not the end-all and be-all of veno play. Legendaries DO introduce more options for a veno. But there are things I can accomplish just as well if not better with a party, or with a different pet, or without a pet at all. And I'm not even LA. I'm a light vit mag veno ffs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae.
The best debuff/dps tank you can get would be a leveled up scorpion. It has the highest dps of any land pet in game (even higher than Herc). Load it with Pierce, Howl, Threaten and Shrill and you have a very nice dps utility pet.
If you do not feel like leveling another pet to your level, adding Howl and Threaten to the Golem would come in very handy.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Yeah, scorpion is best DPS but I had enough of herc leveling the cube, no more pls thx XD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »Alphae.
The best debuff/dps tank you can get would be a leveled up scorpion. It has the highest dps of any land pet in game (even higher than Herc). Load it with Pierce, Howl, Threaten and Shrill and you have a very nice dps utility pet.
If you do not feel like leveling another pet to your level, adding Howl and Threaten to the Golem would come in very handy.
I could be wrong, but the numbers appear to favor the Herc for raw dps. Herc appears to hit lighter, but faster. Multiplier skills like bash, and flesh ream would be more effective on a scorp than a herc, and it would seem a waste to not at least implement one as you could probably turn it into a higher dps with the right skills. Herc is also faster on foot which can make a small difference in speed of slaughter.
Not sure why you'd want debuffs and non multiplier aggro skills on it when it's geared for them. I tried making my marksman into a debuffer, but found I wasn't killing regular mobs with pierce, and howl any faster, and in squads the other classes have their own versions of the debuffs. I also got tired of button pressing with the mouse repeatedly. When your pet has only so many times it can hit the mob before you kill it, non hit debuffs can end up getting wasted.
It might be wise to snag up a pet that already comes with debuffs to see if it's useful to you. I don't think it would matter much if you leveled or fed it if all you're using it for is utility. It sure would be cheaper to get a pet that has them already. If you're bent on getting a Kowlin, they have pierce, and howl i believe.
If I'm wrong about the Scorpion, I'd love to see the contradicting data. If it's significant, I might just raise one up for myself. I'd love to have a faster killing ground pet than the Herc or Marksman. -thanks!Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Herc out-DPS's Golem only in fights longer than 10 minutes, otherwise the higher attack of the Golem is still ahead (or at least that is the number we came up with last thread).
I want debuff skills on him because I don't want to tank with him. I have a tank, I spent 25 million coins on him :P I want to make him a DPS pet that debuffs while a barb holds aggro--more effective than a herc who has space only for its aggro skill and can't use it when a barb is tanking. I would do armored bear which comes with tough (for aoes) and a debuff (I forget which, pierce or howl), but that's not till 80, so as a fill-in I may use him.
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tweakz, if only you were not anon-posting we would at least know who to laugh at.
I've been reading through the thread, but at this point it has reached my limit of tolerance for sheer moronic fatheadedness that you so ably demonstrate.The way you presented your opinion was inflammatory and lacked substance.
The way you presented your opinion clearly showed a limited knowledge of the spectrum of veno possibilities, and an over-exalted view of the completeness of your knowledge.
These are level 90 stats which have no relevance.
Because you say so? Some of us did reach level 90, and out pets did too, and we know what we are doing, mostly.
I speak from experience with a Herc with lv. 5 bash and a +2, +3 weapon. There are other stats that can influence aggro stealing. You're not taking into account that not all mobs are melee, not all have the same accuracy, and that good ornaments can be a better investment than heavy refines with the same outcome.
I now use a +8 weapon - as long as it was up to +5, it never stole aggro from either my magmite or my herc, both at my level and both with Bash 5. Also, every weapon I have used since level 60 has been at least +5 legendary, so I'm speaking from greater experience than you demonstrate above.
Expressing further depths of your ignorance would entertain me further.
Going from lvl 7 to 10 on wood mastery alone isn't going to get you that one less hit per mob. -It takes a good fortune to do that!
Have you calculated the additional damage of wood mastery? Oh, forget I asked - your doubts about amplify-damage haev already made clear how limited your veno-playing abilities and knowledge are.
What I suggest is that wood mastery can be put off until you have the legendary pets, and can more easily afford it. A nix is going to save you hits per mob, and it isn't going to need decomposing or trading up later.
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@Prowler - Why bother posting if all you can do is insult? You made no points whatsoever, so your posting is a waste of time for the rest of us to read. Isn't this against the TOS?
@AlphaeThe top 10 pet DPS can be found in the "pet questions" sticky in this forum.
Do you really believe the Frogling is one of the top 10DPS pets or even belongs in a top 10 list for anything? There's something wrong with those lists.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Did you do the math? I didn't. I'm going to trust whoever did until I can find time to work it out myself.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Alphae - Lost City wrote: »Did you do the math? I didn't. I'm going to trust whoever did until I can find time to work it out myself.
They don't even trust themselves!(Be warned, I don't have all the numbers ! The last one don't have a high attack)Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »The best debuff/dps tank you can get would be a leveled up scorpion. It has the highest dps of any land pet in game (even higher than Herc). Load it with Pierce, Howl, Threaten and Shrill and you have a very nice dps utility pet.
I went with a kowlin as a debuff pet. It was already in my pet bag because of its high speed for pulls. It comes with Pierce and Howl. I dropped Bash for Threaten. It comes with FR 4 which ends up in the default auto skill slot after you drop Bash, and proves to be a nice pulling skill since it does the maximum amount of damage the kowlin is capable of. In the debuffing pet role, I have it use Pierce, Howl, and Threaten. Later in the fight when I'm sure the tank has aggro in hand, I start adding FR for a little extra damage (especially useful against ? bosses where pets do most of the damage).I tried making my marksman into a debuffer, but found I wasn't killing regular mobs with pierce, and howl any faster, and in squads the other classes have their own versions of the debuffs. I also got tired of button pressing with the mouse repeatedly. When your pet has only so many times it can hit the mob before you kill it, non hit debuffs can end up getting wasted.
Also, the point of the debuff pet is to act primarily as a damage multiplier for your party. Pierce helps melee and archer damage, as well as saves you from having to cast Ironwood so often, meaning you'll have more chi to transfer to the tank. Howl increases magic damage. Threaten lowers melee damage to the tank, giving the cleric a break. Shrill interrupts casting (though I've never been quick enough to use it effectively). The damage your pet does is secondary. Also, most of these skills have 30 sec cooldowns, so the loss in pet melee damage is not that much against bosses and in FBs/TTs.It might be wise to snag up a pet that already comes with debuffs to see if it's useful to you. I don't think it would matter much if you leveled or fed it if all you're using it for is utility.If I'm wrong about the Scorpion, I'd love to see the contradicting data. If it's significant, I might just raise one up for myself. I'd love to have a faster killing ground pet than the Herc or Marksman. -thanks!Alphae - Lost City wrote: »I want debuff skills on him because I don't want to tank with him. I have a tank, I spent 25 million coins on him :P I want to make him a DPS pet that debuffs while a barb holds aggro--more effective than a herc who has space only for its aggro skill and can't use it when a barb is tanking. I would do armored bear which comes with tough (for aoes) and a debuff (I forget which, pierce or howl), but that's not till 80, so as a fill-in I may use him.
That's one of the things I like about this game. There are so many options with no one clear "best" answer. You can do things lots of different ways.Do you really believe the Frogling is one of the top 10DPS pets or even belongs in a top 10 list for anything? There's something wrong with those lists.0 -
I am currently level 73, I never owned a Magmite, I don't want an Herc or a Nix. I did the mistake in my young age to always change pets instead of leveling.
I took a 3-4 months break of PWI and when I came back..I started to experiment. I came back I was level 46.
I have to explain that: my goal as a venom is not to be a main tank for a boss or to solo any instance. I chose that class due to my real life situation ( stay at home mom, has to go AFK quite often, rarely can give long period of time to the game, so.. I needed something I could easily solo and not feel bad if I go AFK and die which would have let's say make a squad member too... I play alone... and whatever happens to me... happens to me only.)
I changed pet often.. until I was satisfied with what I wanted so here's my pet roster:
Main: level 60 Shadou Cub, a friend got a very decent price for it ( he was 58 when I got it) and I got it at level 72. I can solo level 85 cragg warriors near Immolation camp with him NP.. and he is only level 60.
2nd: FB59 Floragand guard. ( tamed her at level 63 and she is now level 72)
She was able to tank the 20/20/20 monsters np and she is a decent puller.
3rd: DeadMarsh Petli for pulling purpose, and not bad for tanking if ever the 2 1st die ( never happened but.. better safe then sorry ROFL)
4th: used to have 60 foxwing but due to my little time to play/grind, I never put the time to leveled it other than the quests that required flying pets... So when I turned 73 ( today ) I tamed an Ellysium Fowl and love it very much
I never PVP, I mostly solo or pull for squad/dungeons etc...
I have nice mag attk I think: 3216-3709 and crit quite often, up to now, my Shadou Cub loses aggro from time to time but not too often...rememebr he is only 60. But I use bash on it and bang, aggro is back on my little bear. So I rarely get hit more than 1-2 hits.
All my gear have HP sockets in them since I mostly put my points in magic to have good attk.And I have foxform at max level because my faction is nice enough to ask me to join their Zhen party.. and foxform 3 helps me pull better :)I also usually turn into fox when I fight magical resistant mobs or to use AMP and sometimes DEBUFF
Maybe if I would have an Hercs I could AOE more.. but up to now, with my little roster of pets.. I can handle 4 mobs at a time NP ( unless they are level 80+ haha)
So anyway.. I know.. I am maybe a weird Venom... but my faction loves me and It suits my real life situation... Often I only have time to do CS/WQ in between my chores, daugther, time I need to go to her school etc...and most importantly.. I HAVE FUN and I experiment the full potential of what I think.. and I say I THINK.. a venom should be0 -
@Solandri
I know the aggro, that is the part where skill comes in, and communication with the tank. If I know the tank is spamming roar like a mad man and other aggro skills, I will use the skills more often than if I know he is a little "light" on aggro skills.
Also, Pierce I use when I know I will be in fox form most of the time. Howl and Threaten is self explanatory, It seems the cooldowns are long enough that is does not out-aggro the tank.
Shrill, that one is tough to use.. I seem to have better luck just leaving it in autocast than trying to time it. The casting time of it always throws me off....
@Tweak
There is a damage calculation post, where the formulas are also listed, so you can verify them math for yourself. The Scorpion has the second highest dps in game (after phoenix), for sure when using one skill. Also the all point of a utility pet is to have the debuffs and still do decent damage, so the scorpion will allow you to put all 4 debuffs and still have very high dps with regular attacks.
If you want to use a herc, remove all its skills and put 4 debuffs, that may also work very well, but it would seem kind of a waste of 200 dollars to get herc just to remove all the skills it comes with and load 4 debuff skills.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0
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