Difference between Cowardice and Glitch

Reivi - Sanctuary
Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Venomancer
If i could have the opinion of a Gm that could be cute.

Every Veno knows about the glitching bug, and the mobs it affects.

When attacking these mobs "in diagonale" with your flying pet, the mob will respond and there will be no glitch ( and thats the surest way not to glitch the mob with a flying pet)

So, why do some players consider coward venos ( venos that only attacks with Flying pets) glitchers?

correct me if i am wrong, but if the mob strikes back, there is no glitch , right ?
I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    If the monster hits your pet, nothing's wrong, you're just ensuring you don't get hit. If people call you a coward for that, every cleric is a coward during boss fights because they usually heal while flying.
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  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Yes if the mob strikes back there is no glitch. These people you are referring to probably don't realize that you are not glitching. In any case, who cares what they think? If you know you're in the right, don't worry what they think.

    On a related note, I have to ask....why flying pets only?
  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    you should ask my friend ;) (But since he doesnt speak english, and has 10s of whisp a day saying he will be baned causes he glitches ..... )

    i do prefer land mobs ;) and with an herc.. why would i use a flying pet ? ;)
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

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  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I've been using my phoenix to grind a lot. Mostly its on air mobs so its not an issue, but when doing quests on land mobs it can be annoying. I want to be on the ground so I don't do half damage, but I want to be in the air so the nix doesn't get stuck on the ground. I prefer the phoenix because it kills things very quickly, and having it out already means if someone comes to pk me I can turn the fight around pretty quickly.
    I have to say though, I haven't been accused of glitching mobs when I grind this way.
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  • Renara - Heavens Tear
    Renara - Heavens Tear Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    There are valid reasons for fighting non-air mobs with air pets:

    * In a locale like Swamp of the Wraiths, your land or air pet will despawn if you stand in water that's a bit too deep, so you may prefer to attack from above with an air pet.

    * Some folks (like me) find it easiest to level up their air pet against land mobs. It's hard to watch out for adds in three dimensions! But since air pets get stuck on the slightest bump on the ground, it can be easier to attack from above.

    * Since there are no cash shop water pets, one strategy for a venomancer to fight the Dragon of the Depths or Mantavip Scout is to attack them at the water's surface with a Phoenix. I've heard it's doable, albeit difficult.

    As long as the monster can fight back, it's not a glitch, and you have other reasons besides cowardice for doing it that way. Players who hurl unfounded accusations are only demonstrating their ignorance of the venomancer class...or their envy of its versatility.
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  • Fatalvenom - Lost City
    Fatalvenom - Lost City Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I own both Hercules and Phoenix and if you ask me which I prefer to level with.. I will say phoenix every time. Not because it causes glitches... but because it kills soooooo much faster. I level quicker!

    I have yet to be accused of glitching mobs.. in fact I have to heal my nix quite a bit when I level. I also fly while using my nix so my air pet doesnt get stuck in the ground. As all venos know... air pets going up hill get stuck in the ground when you are ground level. So i fly.. and launch my pet downward towards monsters and my pet doesn't get stuck in floor.

    I am not sure why you get so many whispers about glitching mobs... unless a technique you are using screams exploit... (cant imagine what you could be doing that would cause so many people to wanna report you for grinding normally)
  • Danni - Heavens Tear
    Danni - Heavens Tear Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    The glitch, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, makes it so that your air pet doesn't get hit. That's not the same as using an air pet to fight things on the ground, as long as it takes damage.

    Anyways, I didn't have any trouble at all at the swamp. Just jump so that you're not hurting your damage.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    If the mob glitches, unsummoning the pet will reset it, right?
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sometimes I end up doing that as I level my phoenix, I just call it back without unsummoning. It drops down a bit and the monster starts attacking as it should.
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  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I find it is easiest to level my flying pet against ground things because I am not a Poison Veno and I can deal with ground things easier. It does get stuck a lot which is annoying but I have not been accused of glitching.

    I have had it happen once if it is what I think it is. My Foxwing was stuck in the side of a hill a bit and the enemy monster had run away from it but it was still hitting the monster with Lightning and Flesh while the Monster did nothing or hit air. Only have seen that a few times and never thought anything of it considering I did not try to make it happen and many times my Fox gets stuck and cannot hurt the monsters or it works in reverse.
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i've been accused of glitching mobs once before by a complete moron, another veno. i was in the swamp, on my manta, sending my nix to kill the acephalid things, and this person pms me demanding that i stop glitching, i responded that im not glitching, to which they insist that i am.

    the mobs were clearly moving and hitting my nix, aside from when it'd use pounce and stun them for a few seconds. i tried explaining this to the person, and they responded saying they will report me, so i told them to go ahead.

    then it turned into a huge thing on wc, and in pms, arguing with this idiot, during which time the mobs i was accused of glitching managed to kill my nix.

    the person obviously thought that using an air pet on any land mob = glitch/illegal. i lol'd. and so did a lot of other people.

    and yea, more often it's my nix who glitches lol. getting stuck somewhere, or just hovering above/in front of the monster taking damage and doing nothing. its really annoying.
  • Spliffany - Lost City
    Spliffany - Lost City Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    @yourmom

    offtopic, but nevertheless:

    attacking ground mobs with nix without flying

    nix should be set to "follow", then take the ground mob into target, run a few steps and (double-)jump. nix follows u up in the air. at the highest point press ALT+1 and nix attacks without being stuck on the ground as it's not on ground level. as soon as ur char is back on the ground u can start attacking with ur spells. this way u deal full damage and not only 50% as if u were flying. try it a few times and it gets pretty common. in my opinion u kill mobs faster this way than flying around. and nix doesn't get stuck on the ground often.
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  • Teseanna - Heavens Tear
    Teseanna - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,021 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sometimes I end up doing that as I level my phoenix, I just call it back without unsummoning. It drops down a bit and the monster starts attacking as it should.

    Same here :)
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  • Ladyselene - Heavens Tear
    Ladyselene - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    the glitch refered to i am not sure if it has been fixed, but on certain bosses, if you use a flying pet, it will attack and boss will stand there but be unable to attack back. unfortunately many people hear the simple words - flying pets cause glitches on land mobs and do not actually find out the full story. gouf is one of the bosses that can get glitched but as i said i am not sure if it has been fixed. normal land mobs cant get glitched so these people dont know what they are talking about
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  • Damewort - Sanctuary
    Damewort - Sanctuary Posts: 573 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ladyselene - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    gouf is one of the bosses that can get glitched but as i said i am not sure if it has been fixed.

    Seems Kimsa is another boss, which has problems with air pets.
    There are valid reasons for fighting non-air mobs with air pets:
    * Since there are no cash shop water pets, one strategy for a venomancer to fight the Dragon of the Depths or Mantavip Scout is to attack them at the water's surface with a Phoenix. I've heard it's doable, albeit difficult.

    No need to use this strategy only against bosses. I "fished" mobs like that for other quests too. Takes more time and you usually get less drops, but it is good solution if you have no water pets.
  • nicole6
    nicole6 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Someone cnow how to get the white horse, because it sais i can maunt it at lvl 20 it will be usefull because walk its a waist of time, and when y tame a pet sometimes the pet looks diferent or afected is that normal in the game? or maibe a glitch or someting.. skeletons archers have the same efect wen i aproach looks diferent.. if i can resolve that plis tell me if not well i tried XD
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    i use a flying pet on ground mobs mostly when they are in close proximity to each other, and trying to go in on foot would result in a gang attck on me. or, as in recent play, i might need to make a fast getaway from a mob triggered by mine running toward it. also, some terrain necessitates it (too steep to climb). but 98% of my play is on the ground, so i have only one flying pet with me (presently, a wingwalker piggy i am training up). the rest are an assortment of tanks and specialists.

    another instance is when training a flying pet...yes, it can be done while on foot, but the pet gets 'stuck' in the ground too often. so i prefer to train from the air, sending the pet against whatever is best suited to help raise its level.
    Daerys - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes if the mob strikes back there is no glitch. These people you are referring to probably don't realize that you are not glitching. In any case, who cares what they think? If you know you're in the right, don't worry what they think.

    On a related note, I have to ask....why flying pets only?
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  • SushiFishy - Heavens Tear
    SushiFishy - Heavens Tear Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I use phoenix most of the time coz it kills faster then herc does so faster kills and faster lvling. But i do stick on the ground ... when a mob is on a hill or when there is a bumb or something where the phoenix might get stuck i just jump up high (while moving or it wont work) and let the phoenix attack while im in the air... she will attack from higher up then and doesnt get stuck :). Attacking from the air halves youre dmg wich nullefies the fast kill advantage you have with a phoenix. might aswell use herc then :). I dont see it as being a coward anyway if you do attack from the sky. But glitching bosses is a different story
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ladyselene - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    normal land mobs cant get glitched so these people dont know what they are talking about



    Normal land mobs can get glitched. I was using my petite sawfly from the air, and had the mob half-way dead by the time I realized my pet wasn't taking any damage at all, but I do not believe the mob was actually attacking. I finished the mob off, and my sawfly had taken no damage, and on the next mob, from the same angle, the sawfly took a lot of damage from the mob.


    On the first mob, I saw no yellow text popup saying "Miss" either.
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  • Dioica - Sanctuary
    Dioica - Sanctuary Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    If you fight land monsters using an air pet, and you stand on the ground, your pet can still get glitched if you fight something which likes running away and you were fighting on hilly ground. Attacking from a jump may not help here.

    Also, some bosses (like Kimsa) will just stand there when flying players attack them, but they will also heal themselves so basically this just lets you build chi and run up your repair bill. Veno pets work differently (and I wonder if this issue is related to eveyone's favorite flesh ream issue?).
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »
    (and I wonder if this issue is related to eveyone's favorite flesh ream issue?).

    No, the issues are quite separate.
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  • Dioica - Sanctuary
    Dioica - Sanctuary Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No, the issues are quite separate.

    I agree with you about flesh ream being a different issue from flying pet glitching. However, both issues seem to be rooted in coding differences between PvE and PvP combat.

    I do not know enough about how they have things implemented to know for sure, but I would not be surprised if I found out both issues had common roots.
  • Yourmom - Lost City
    Yourmom - Lost City Posts: 1,655 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I agree with you about flesh ream being a different issue from flying pet glitching. However, both issues seem to be rooted in coding differences between PvE and PvP combat.

    I do not know enough about how they have things implemented to know for sure, but I would not be surprised if I found out both issues had common roots.

    What does flying pet glitching have to do with pvp at all? I wish i could glitch out other players the same way in pvp that you can do with mobs. So many people would be so angry when I just stood there and watched while they couldn't move and just died.
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  • Temptresss - Lost City
    Temptresss - Lost City Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I have died because my air pet got stuck and i rushed in to try and save it only to get mowed down by multiple ranged mobs. Many times I'll have to call the pet back run around a different direction, then attack again, hoping that it doesn't just do a nose dive into the dirt again.
  • LinZeta - Lost City
    LinZeta - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I've yet to come across this "glitch" you guys are talking about, but if it has something to do with the glitch Kimsa has than I'd consider it bad coding on the game's part. I understand the premises of your arguments, but imo, it should be looked upon as an issue with the game, therefore...why should players be at fault for exploiting it?

    Anyway back to the Kimsa glitch, even though he does regenerate, if you have any air pet with decent damage, it's health will continue to go down. Add a few other members (like a barb) to do basic damage from the air as well, and he will go down....it'll take a few minutes..but it works.

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