Will it be possible some day an archer win a pvp against cleric, wizzard or veno ?

Soul_Storm - Harshlands
Soul_Storm - Harshlands Posts: 20 Arc User
edited July 2009 in Archer
I just got totally **** against a lvl 37 cleric, who killed me in 3 shots each of 350 damage. Im lvl 36, and with all freaking health bonuses i couldnt even took half of his life and i dont think he even healed...

What is an archer defense against magic ? running? Because i only beat swordsman and barbarians and some mobs because of my shield that protects me for about 20 secs, it reduces a 300 damage to 50.

But apperently doesent work against magic... (never noticed cause always thought it did) btw its winged shell.

So how the freakin hell is freakin possible to win against a freakin cleric?

Are archer SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD that even a nub that has a button that says heal and another one that says attack can **** an archer ?

How can it be possible for an archer to win a figth in 5 seconds against someone? Because my lvl36 1000 hp dont last for 10 seconds against a cleric or wizzard...

And what was even best in that duel, was that the cleric had more range than me... so btw.... what is an archer?? cause i might be confused...
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  • Coraline - Lost City
    Coraline - Lost City Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Um...if you are lucky to fight a robe cleric, should be easy, double spark and deadly shot them, that should get them less than half health and then auto shot them to death.

    For la...eh...i tend to avoid them like the plague. I try to stun them, so i get a few extra shots in and just pray for a crit..

    For the rare heavy users, metal attack them to death.

    Getting the genie skill extreme psn helps a lot. also there's a skill that decrease phys defense, and makes the person slow...that could help too.
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  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    You might just want to give up pvp if you cant kill wizards, venos, and especially clerics at your level.

    First of all Winged sheild DOES work againt magical damage. The cleric had more range? You should level up your passive ranged buff.

    A cleric attacks you out of nowhere? Just run away long enough for your hp to recover. Then use spark and just normal attack them to death.
    The only way to win is to quit. b:bye
  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Soul_Storm - Harshlands wrote: »
    Because my lvl36 1000 hp dont last for 10 seconds against a cleric or wizzard...

    Wait hold on. I have more HP than that unbuffed (plenty more when buffed) and I'm five levels lower than you. O.O I thought I was supposed to be the squishy one? Do Archers have an obscene Vit gimp too? Wizard vit is so lousy that I don't even bother with it.

    Just curious about that because Archer is supposed to be my mortal enemy and second greatest threat, not someone in the same boat as me.

    Maybe the Archers and the Wizards should team up against the Clerics if they're so hard on both of us ^x^ /plumeshot
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  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    what? were you using lightning against an arcane cleric?




    also, my lvl 32 archer has ~1079 hp

    but my lvl 47 archer has ~1250 wtf b:sad
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Soul_Storm - Harshlands
    Soul_Storm - Harshlands Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Yes my lvl 38 archer has 1071 hp... i have vit 3.. lol
    And winged shell didnt worked against that cleric, he did 350 damage with 1 attack, i put winged shell on, same attack again and again and still 350 damge.
    I have my range as high as it can be.
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    don't use lightning if the cleric is using arcane armor

    s/he probably was because of rank armor
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Prediction - Lost City wrote: »
    what? were you using lightning against an arcane cleric?




    also, my lvl 32 archer has ~1079 hp

    but my lvl 47 archer has ~1250 wtf b:sad


    ... I will second the WTF and double check what I put into Vit at the early levels. I stat LA now but either I tossed a couple extra Vit in months ago or the Wiz isn't as HP gimped as I thought it was.

    Methinks I might try fighting back next time an Archer aims at me. I might stand more of a chance than I thought if my HP compares to an Archer's ~15levels above me o0;

    Still runnin' from the Barbs though. Ohhhh most definitely yes.
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  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Lareish - Harshlands wrote: »
    ... I will second the WTF and double check what I put into Vit at the early levels. I stat LA now but either I tossed a couple extra Vit in months ago or the Wiz isn't as HP gimped as I thought it was.

    Methinks I might try fighting back next time an Archer aims at me. I might stand more of a chance than I thought if my HP compares to an Archer's ~15levels above me o0;

    Still runnin' from the Barbs though. Ohhhh most definitely yes.

    i don't understand how my lvl 47 archer has ~1.3k hp
    my lvl 32 only has 300 less hp and neither have any vit, not even +vit items
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Nethare - Dreamweaver
    Nethare - Dreamweaver Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    up until about lvl 35 i had the hybrid archer build of 1vit 2str 7dex every 2 lvls and it greatly increased my survivability at those lvls i could deal with 2 mobs spawning on me, I stopped it at lvl 35 because i was capping my vit, its 34 or something with my armor now i don't actually remember how much it is without i think 25.

    But later you should not have issues killing clerics, venos and wizards. robe classes are what archers are supposed to kill, we are supposed to counter them. Now clerics pose more of an issue than the others, plume shell with and mp and hp charm forget about it if they are LA. But yes archers do eventually own vs almost every class. Currently for me my only issue is Barbs with hp charms because i can't kite if they have a charm and BMs that get to me and can stun lock. If i play it wrong and the veno sees me deadly shot charging they bramble hood and i can lose but other than that not many issues. Some wizards i know can make it a 3shot contest but I normally win still. My main problem is Barbs due to their massive health. Any archers know a way around that at my lvl?
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Nethare - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    up until about lvl 35 i had the hybrid archer build of 1vit 2str 7dex every 2 lvls and it greatly increased my survivability at those lvls i could deal with 2 mobs spawning on me, I stopped it at lvl 35 because i was capping my vit, its 34 or something with my armor now i don't actually remember how much it is without i think 25.

    But later you should not have issues killing clerics, venos and wizards. robe classes are what archers are supposed to kill, we are supposed to counter them. Now clerics pose more of an issue than the others, plume shell with and mp and hp charm forget about it if they are LA. But yes archers do eventually own vs almost every class. Currently for me my only issue is Barbs with hp charms because i can't kite if they have a charm and BMs that get to me and can stun lock. If i play it wrong and the veno sees me deadly shot charging they bramble hood and i can lose but other than that not many issues. Some wizards i know can make it a 3shot contest but I normally win still. My main problem is Barbs due to their massive health. Any archers know a way around that at my lvl?

    i hear archers get suckish at 9x b:sad
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    There has to be some major HP gimping going on then, because I have around that much at 33 as a Wizard. Either that or I have more Vit than I thought I did... But it can't be too much since I've been following LA stats since ~ level 5.
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  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    every single one of my archers is 1str 4dex, no vit AT ALL!

    i just don't know how the hell my lvl 47 archer only has 1.3k hp
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Probably bigass HP gimp. I know my arcane wizzy only gets 10-20 HP per level (of course no VIT)...which is why he only has 1.1k HP or so at level 42. At level 47, wizzes no VIT should have what, 1.2k, 1.3k max? Sounds right.

    Also, 350? I thought clerics were supposed to do ~wizzy damage at those levels, and I routinely hit 500-600s on archers with gush and pyro.
  • Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear
    Fallenangelx - Heavens Tear Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    archers dunt really have that much vit unless u refine and shard ur armors but i don't think that is necessary at low levels, waste of coins. i believe that 1 vit = 13hp for archers while for mage classes its 1 vit = 10 hp. People usually leave their vit at the base of 3 and get hp items. If you decide to add to vit, it will take away ur damage output from dex and ur crit. and archers can definitely kill the arcane classes..unless they refine and shard their armors really high.
  • Alyja - Harshlands
    Alyja - Harshlands Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Lol, an archer that CAN'T kill a wizard? Almost unheard of.
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I think you have to divide it into Arcane Robe Wizards and Light Armor Wizards. There's something of a consensus going among the Wizards that an Archer doesn't have a problem killing a Robe Wiz, but that an LA wiz makes it trickier. The weakness of Robe Wizard to Archer is the lack of Pdef but LA wiz + Stone barrier has better defense against an Archer. And similar range.
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  • ShipWreck - Lost City
    ShipWreck - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Any archers here ever faught a LA mage? I always thought wizards had a shorter range than archers.
  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    ShipWreck - Lost City wrote: »
    Any archers here ever faught a LA mage? I always thought wizards had a shorter range than archers.

    archer range 30.0 meters

    wizard range 28.x meters

    not much differense but if you get MAX range you can get a good 8 seconds of attack with aim low
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • GodlyHealz - Dreamweaver
    GodlyHealz - Dreamweaver Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Nerithos - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Probably bigass HP gimp. I know my arcane wizzy only gets 10-20 HP per level (of course no VIT)...which is why he only has 1.1k HP or so at level 42. At level 47, wizzes no VIT should have what, 1.2k, 1.3k max? Sounds right.

    Also, 350? I thought clerics were supposed to do ~wizzy damage at those levels, and I routinely hit 500-600s on archers with gush and pyro.

    I dont know what kind of Cleric he was fighting but yes Ner, i do Wizz damage basicaly. Hit for around 600-700 on archers :)

    Im a LA Cleric so i can take alot of hits, but at 40 my HP is only around 1k. So its not suprisin that theres an hp gimp
  • Lux_aeterna - Lost City
    Lux_aeterna - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Nethare - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    up until about lvl 35 i had the hybrid archer build of 1vit 2str 7dex every 2 lvls and it greatly increased my survivability at those lvls i could deal with 2 mobs spawning on me, I stopped it at lvl 35 because i was capping my vit, its 34 or something with my armor now i don't actually remember how much it is without i think 25.

    But later you should not have issues killing clerics, venos and wizards. robe classes are what archers are supposed to kill, we are supposed to counter them. Now clerics pose more of an issue than the others, plume shell with and mp and hp charm forget about it if they are LA. But yes archers do eventually own vs almost every class. Currently for me my only issue is Barbs with hp charms because i can't kite if they have a charm and BMs that get to me and can stun lock. If i play it wrong and the veno sees me deadly shot charging they bramble hood and i can lose but other than that not many issues. Some wizards i know can make it a 3shot contest but I normally win still. My main problem is Barbs due to their massive health. Any archers know a way around that at my lvl?

    get blinding sand and thunderstorm for ur genie and max them.

    blinding sand with my lvl 55 genie reduces their accuracy by 60% barb around our lvl usually only have about 700 accuracy. that makes their accuracy 300 after this debuff. that compared with our 2.4k evasion gives us virtual invincibility cuz they cant hit us (well 1/4-1/5 chance they hit). and the cool down for blinding sand is 1 sec while it lasts 8 sec so it overlaps. plus the energy cost is only 25 and it doesnt increase when u lvl this skill so u can js spam this skill.



    for charmed barb/bm i would do
    plume shell-> thundershock (900 dmg)+blinding sand
    ->spark->thunderblast (1.4k dmg-3 sec casting) by this timetheir charm prob start ticking and they r next to u so->blinding sand+lightening strike(1.4Kdmg 2 sec casting)+thunderstorm(1.4K+ if u genie is lv55+)->thundershock(1.4k 2 sec casting)=dead barb

    so the total attack time after charm is ticking is 2+2=4 secs, add 2 sec of reaction time+ lag= 6 sec, well within range of 10 sec.
  • Krels - Sanctuary
    Krels - Sanctuary Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Soul_Storm - Harshlands wrote: »
    I just got totally **** against a lvl 37 cleric, who killed me in 3 shots each of 350 damage. Im lvl 36, and with all freaking health bonuses i couldnt even took half of his life and i dont think he even healed...

    What is an archer defense against magic ? running? Because i only beat swordsman and barbarians and some mobs because of my shield that protects me for about 20 secs, it reduces a 300 damage to 50.

    But apperently doesent work against magic... (never noticed cause always thought it did) btw its winged shell.

    So how the freakin hell is freakin possible to win against a freakin cleric?

    Are archer SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD that even a nub that has a button that says heal and another one that says attack can **** an archer ?

    How can it be possible for an archer to win a figth in 5 seconds against someone? Because my lvl36 1000 hp dont last for 10 seconds against a cleric or wizzard...

    And what was even best in that duel, was that the cleric had more range than me... so btw.... what is an archer?? cause i might be confused...

    1. Archers are not bad, you just need to know how to play one.
    2. You should not be losing to a cleric. I've beaten a cleric 2-3 levels higher then me (i forget what level exactly) with no problem. Maybe you screwed up your build?
    3. Again, you should not be losing to a wizard. Archers = Cleric and Wizard Killers, the only duels/TW you should lose against (going on what i have heard for TW, i havent participated myself) is a Barbarian, Blademaster, or Heavy Armor Venomancer.
  • Robotic - Lost City
    Robotic - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Micheal Jackson is dead.
    ROFLMAOMGb:shocked
  • Ragazzel - Lost City
    Ragazzel - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Robotic - Lost City wrote: »
    Micheal Jackson is dead.

    lol

    archers are suppse to **** wizardsb:surrender
  • Waterboy - Lost City
    Waterboy - Lost City Posts: 405 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Ragazzel - Lost City wrote: »
    lol

    archers are suppse to **** wizardsb:surrender

    unless they LA, w8 its just takes a little more time thenb:cute
  • MrConce - Harshlands
    MrConce - Harshlands Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    A good cleric will drop a good archer any day. Tbh, there arent very many good clerics. U should be able to 2 shot them at most, even with charm. To make it even more disgraceful, u could even let ur bow roll and drop em..Just need to learn how to play ur class. Only clerics/Mages u should be worried about are light armor ones and even then....They are still clerics/mages, tactics are the same but now they have armor that archers wear with buffs, but they are TEN times weaker. Work on ur class and learn how to play the game. I promise you u will feel better after u do the mentioned above.

    If its a veno, u can kill em, even easier than cleric/mage.

    If its a veno with nix, dont even bother, run like hell.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    yeah, I think it's your kind of archers I'm very often winning against. What kind you might ask? the ignorant kind. You might have a easy time killing stupid robes because you have all the tools of doing it at low lvls. Fight a lvl 80+ wizz that's played by someone not intelectually challenged and you'll eat some dust. You will kill him but he will deliver you're **** on a plate just as many times.
    Worst part in all this? There are few wizards and from those even fewer know hot to play the class, so yeah, it's easy to kill a robe played by a 7yr old on his mommy's PC. Now go brag about it more.
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  • Prediction - Lost City
    Prediction - Lost City Posts: 343 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah, I think it's your kind of archers I'm very often winning against. What kind you might ask? the ignorant kind. You might have a easy time killing stupid robes because you have all the tools of doing it at low lvls. Fight a lvl 80+ wizz that's played by someone not intelectually challenged and you'll eat some dust. You will kill him but he will deliver you're **** on a plate just as many times.
    Worst part in all this? There are few wizards and from those even fewer know hot to play the class, so yeah, it's easy to kill a robe played by a 7yr old on his mommy's PC. Now go brag about it more.

    light armor wiz + stone barrier > archer?

    b:shocked
    FPW > PWI b:victory
  • Death - Harshlands
    Death - Harshlands Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Nethare - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    up until about lvl 35 i had the hybrid archer build of 1vit 2str 7dex every 2 lvls and it greatly increased my survivability at those lvls i could deal with 2 mobs spawning on me,

    I did 1vit 3 str 11 dex every 3 levels and I regretted every moment of it. I restat pure dex... 3vit, but vit and I have less than min req for LA (making up the difference with +str gear) and I couldn't be happier.
  • MrConce - Harshlands
    MrConce - Harshlands Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I have 3556 Hp at 78 and all i got is 3 socket grade 5 shards +2 on my gear...Oh yeah im full dex archer too. Hp is not needed, u can get off equips.but if u feel like tanking stuff, suit urself. I would have rerolled barb instead.
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  • MrConce - Harshlands
    MrConce - Harshlands Posts: 248 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah, I think it's your kind of archers I'm very often winning against. What kind you might ask? the ignorant kind. You might have a easy time killing stupid robes because you have all the tools of doing it at low lvls. Fight a lvl 80+ wizz that's played by someone not intelectually challenged and you'll eat some dust. You will kill him but he will deliver you're **** on a plate just as many times.
    Worst part in all this? There are few wizards and from those even fewer know hot to play the class, so yeah, it's easy to kill a robe played by a 7yr old on his mommy's PC. Now go brag about it more.

    I really dont know what build u are, but out of all the ones i can think of, None of em can beat an archer. Ive played as archer and ive played as a 80+ mage. Never have i lost to a mage as an archer wether is light armor or not, and never have i beat an archer before as a robe mage, im guessing as light armor is worse cause now i deal less damage, oh yeah and sutra doesnt technically count as winning, we all know it doesnt take skill to use that, only 2 sparks. ;)
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