no more vit at all, or keep going higher?

bluefox213
bluefox213 Posts: 155 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Blademaster
im a level 42 BM with axe path
I make sure I have str needed for the next weapon every time
the rest i put into vit and dex

my vit is now around 55
and dex around 48

i have around 2200 hp

but I cant really attack 2 mobs at the same time, without losing at least 1k hp or 1500

so thats why I thought i need more hp....but what do you guys out here suggest?

more hp or let it be at 55 and no higher until level 80 + ??
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  • HatheR - Sanctuary
    HatheR - Sanctuary Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well, I have Str and Dex only for my weapons, the other points I put all on VIT. I have almost 3400 HP, and I can do aoe with like 4 or 5 mobs. I will stay with that, STR and DEX only for weapons/armors and the rest on VIT. You will kill a lot :D
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  • Bashusilly - Heavens Tear
    Bashusilly - Heavens Tear Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Are you using Diamond Sutra? Marrows?

    They are going to give you the ability to fight the multiple mobs without killing your HP.

    If you feel like you can time your skills properly you can also look at canceling a mobs Magic attack with Shadowless kick.

    IF your having trouble implementing these skills, then I would keep adding VIT. Maybe at a slower pace. Building up your dex is going to help in multiple ways. You will get the higher accuracy and you get the higher evasion. And with time you will get more crits.

    look at 3 dex every other level. And 1 vit. Then the rest into your str for your axes. This Avatar you see is a Axe BM, on a PvE server and I already have 41 Dex. BM's benefit greatly from DEX.

    It really all boils down to your style of play, and what you do with your time in game. If your just jumping in there and bashing, your going to find yourself burning through the HP. And if that is the way you wanna do it, thats fine.

    But if you can utilize your defensive skills, your heal and your stuns, you will see yourself taking less damage. Giving you the chance to build your DEX.

    With my sword BM, I capped my VIT at 55. I used Diamond sutra a lot but was still able to keep grinding without resting. I almost never used my marrows.

    With this BM, I will never cap my VIT, but since I am only adding 1 VIT every other level, I will not be to 55 until I am in my 90's(If I ever find the time to play and make it that far)

    So, Personally, I think your DEX is too low. I would start adding more to DEX and less to VIT. It will help, just like the VIT does, it should speed up your grinding, meaning you will take less hits.
    Don't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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  • bluefox213
    bluefox213 Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    thx for the replies, helps alot

    tho 1 thing i dont understand/know what to do

    marrows

    I never used my magic marrow be4
    physic i sometimes use but i dont see its benefit
    mostly all mobs do a magic attack first, than start physic attacks

    so if u have physic on, you will first get higher dmg on u from magic, than less from physic, in the end u will have same dmg taken.....

    btw i have physic on lvl 3(should i make it higher???
  • Bashusilly - Heavens Tear
    Bashusilly - Heavens Tear Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, your trading Magic defense for Physical if you use the physical marrow. And Vice Versa for the other.

    The thing to remember is that the Marrows only last for 30 seconds. If the mob your facing starts its attack with a Magic attack, use the magic marrow before your initial attack. If your Golden Bell is Maxed, you still have decent Pdef. I would keep your Marrows around Level 3 so your not completely defenseless if you get hit with Patks.
    Don't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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  • bluefox213
    bluefox213 Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    no u dont understand what i mean i think

    I have bell maxed, and magic at 1 or 2 i think

    lets say your facing a mob that will attack u 6 times b4 u kill it
    starting off with 1 magic and the last 1 is a magic also

    he will do for example these damages(based of mobs i was attacking yesterday)
    250
    100
    100
    100
    100
    250

    then if i use magic marrow
    it will be still the same or maybe bit lower
    250 - 30 %
    4 x 100 +30 %
    250 - 30 %
    easy calculating a bit less....now if he does only 5 hits, the phys attacks will be higher, and therefor you will get MORE dmg taken if u use the magic marrow

    than u might say, than use phys marrow

    but if i do i will get aroound 60 dmg less...on 1 mob, this is worthless counting on the marrow will take the same mp.....

    still confused here :(
  • Bashusilly - Heavens Tear
    Bashusilly - Heavens Tear Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Ok
    I see your delema. But there is another way to look at this.
    Magic doesnt really miss. If they cast, they are most likely gonna hit you
    Physical always has a chance to miss.
    So In that way your playing a bit of a chance game also. Your banking that somewhere in one or two of those physical attacks your gonna get missed. Suddenly, the damage lessens.

    This again is where more dex comes into play. A higher evasion is going to give you the chance to be missed more by the physical attacks.

    If you don't like Marrows though. Dont use them. Its not a must and they are not the end all be all of skills. If you dont want to, find other methods.

    Use Shadowless kick
    you have to dissarm your weapon, but if you can get your timing right you can skip the magic attack all together.

    Other options.....
    -Get the Genie skill, tree of protection. It boosts your hp for a ver short duration, but more importantly it gives you a a 25% heal every 3 seconds for 6 seconds, basically a 50% heal.

    -Use life powders. 10 golden herbs and 15 nectars will give you 5 life powders, each lasts 10 minutes. Giving you a HP restore rate of 50hp per second.

    Just some other options
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  • HatheR - Sanctuary
    HatheR - Sanctuary Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Well, as we know, a AXE BM must add 6STR 1DEX every two levels to use the axes and heavy gear. So, you will have 3 Free Points on every 2 levels.
    Personally, go for VIT. It will give you more HP, than PUT HP and use itens +vit too, and rings with accuracy.I have almost 3400 at lvl 51, it's a lot (4200 HP with a Barb Buff - LVL 55, who had 4400 HP at Tiger Form with buffs), I can kill like 4 or 5 mobs together, using my AOE skills and I kill a lot at PVP. At high levels, HP will save you, not DEX, think about it.
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  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    HatheR - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well, as we know, a AXE BM must add 6STR 1DEX every two levels to use the axes and heavy gear. So, you will have 3 Free Points on every 2 levels.
    Personally, go for VIT. It will give you more HP, than PUT HP and use itens +vit too, and rings with accuracy.I have almost 3400 at lvl 51, it's a lot (4200 HP with a Barb Buff - LVL 55, who had 4400 HP at Tiger Form with buffs), I can kill like 4 or 5 mobs together, using my AOE skills and I kill a lot at PVP. At high levels, HP will save you, not DEX, think about it.

    dont gimp yourself by leaving dex that low... against a sword/fist bm or archer all you're gonna see is MISS MISS MISS MISS. Yes HP saves you, but DEX also helps you hit things. Being more accurate means that you have more damage output, which helps out both in AOE grinding speed and hitting things in PVP. Right now at your level you won't have that many problems with only having minimum dex but once you get higher level unless you have really really good acc equips archers and other high evade characters are gonna laugh at you during pvp
  • Maddrox - Harshlands
    Maddrox - Harshlands Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    dont gimp yourself by leaving dex that low... against a sword/fist bm or archer all you're gonna see is MISS MISS MISS MISS. Yes HP saves you, but DEX also helps you hit things. Being more accurate means that you have more damage output, which helps out both in AOE grinding speed and hitting things in PVP. Right now at your level you won't have that many problems with only having minimum dex but once you get higher level unless you have really really good acc equips archers and other high evade characters are gonna laugh at you during pvp

    He lies b:chuckle
  • Xakarus - Dreamweaver
    Xakarus - Dreamweaver Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Hey should i cap my vit at around 60 or keep it going if im gonna be pretty much pure PvE?
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Maddrox - Harshlands wrote: »
    He lies b:chuckle

    i'm lying? o.O
  • Maddrox - Harshlands
    Maddrox - Harshlands Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i'm lying? o.O

    shhh im high dexb:mischievous
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Maddrox - Harshlands wrote: »
    shhh im high dexb:mischievous

    right... and I'm saying that you need dex, so if you're saying that I'm lying then why are you high dexb:chuckle?
  • Maddrox - Harshlands
    Maddrox - Harshlands Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    right... and I'm saying that you need dex, so if you're saying that I'm lying then why are you high dexb:chuckle?

    Easier kills for me if you don't say anything to them b:thanks
  • Maddrox - Harshlands
    Maddrox - Harshlands Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Maddrox - Harshlands wrote: »
    shhh im high dexb:mischievous

    Quoted for fail
  • Xakarus - Dreamweaver
    Xakarus - Dreamweaver Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Xakarus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hey should i cap my vit at around 60 or keep it going if im gonna be pretty much pure PvE?

    Anyone?

    10char
  • Esparagondaa - Sanctuary
    Esparagondaa - Sanctuary Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    lol just use this build 6 str,2vit,2 dex evry 2 levelsb:laughb:laughb:laugh
  • Axemanek - Heavens Tear
    Axemanek - Heavens Tear Posts: 588 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    i have 94 vit, and i will keep adding more
    I Want To Eat Estasi & Send Her Into Extasy!! b:victory

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  • Gralo - Lost City
    Gralo - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    bluefox213 wrote: »
    im a level 42 BM with axe path
    I make sure I have str needed for the next weapon every time
    the rest i put into vit and dex

    my vit is now around 55
    and dex around 48

    i have around 2200 hp

    but I cant really attack 2 mobs at the same time, without losing at least 1k hp or 1500

    so thats why I thought i need more hp....but what do you guys out here suggest?

    more hp or let it be at 55 and no higher until level 80 + ??
    Its all opinion, but in my mind it depends on wether you are in a PvP or PvE server. If you PvP then probably about 60 vit or so is where I would stop. That way you can drop more into dex for higher crit. But if you are PvE then I would go higher on vit so that you can grind more effectively. But again, its all opinion.
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Gralo - Lost City wrote: »
    Its all opinion, but in my mind it depends on wether you are in a PvP or PvE server. If you PvP then probably about 60 vit or so is where I would stop. That way you can drop more into dex for higher crit. But if you are PvE then I would go higher on vit so that you can grind more effectively. But again, its all opinion.

    Wouldn't that be opposite? I thought in pvp servers you want more hp so you can survive a sneak attack, I capped my vit at 50 and I have no problem aoe grinding just as well as vit build bms in my pve server
  • Bashusilly - Heavens Tear
    Bashusilly - Heavens Tear Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Yeah, most people feel the opposite....Higher VIT on the PvP servers. Less chance of getting nuked by them wizzies.
    Don't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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