Fist/Claw Advice, Pls help!

I have no idea why people trash us more then any other. Each path as its pros and cons, and each path obviously has some use to the game, or else the game designers wouldn't have included it.

Most people say we're useless due to the fact that we have low damage compared to everyone else, and our skills are only a hinderance, rather then actually useful like everyone else's skills are.

I'm gonna repeat something that I said in another recent post. What we lack in"damage" is made up with our high crit rate, our DPS, and the fact that we have evasion and accuracy that most other BM paths can only dream of.

Its true we aren't going to win against the charms of other players in PvP, but hey, not every BM PvPs in the first place. Our skills are really only a hindarence, as they slow down our lightening attack speed while casting, however, a few are actually quite useful when needed.

If you want a lot of AOEs, go axes. If you want to make wizards and clerics cry in PvP, go swords/blades. If you want a mix between them, go poles. However, if you want to be the underdog that decimates things before they even know you're there, go fists.

Again, I'm going to repeat myself: we're a force to be reckoned with, not discarded as useless .

Hope that helps. Good luck

Eirel - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm gonna repeat something that I said in another recent post. What we lack in"damage" is made up with our high crit rate, our DPS, and the fact that we have evasion and accuracy that most other BM paths can only dream of.

You do realize every other weapon has the same critical hit rate, accuracy and evasion that you do, right?

And depending on the weapon a higher DPS.

ofc people treat us fist BMs as **** ...u know why?
cause our weapondesign rockz : p
im playing a fist BM as well - im not highlevel though
ive chosen the fists as my weapon cause i always liked fast attacking characters
and the fists just looked awesome
i only played fists and i will probably not change my weapon type
i only got really problems to kill PVE mobs in the time between 25 - 30 (its mentioned in some guides i red)

anyways:
like Eirel said - every class and every classtree got advantages and disadvantage
let me sum up the advantages and disadvantages of a fist BM

Advantages:
- high attackrate (1.43)
- high evasion / accuracy in comparison with other BM classes*
- higher Crit rate than any other BM class*
- ability to wear LA (Light Armor)*
- less skill costs cause only few skills needed
* depending on how many points u spent in Dex

Disadvantages:
- low weapon dmg in comparison with other BM classes
- higher repair costs cause of higher attackrate
- HA (Heavy Armor) hard to reach if u want high Crit / evasion / accuracy

all in all im pretty sure i wont have any major problems later on in the game
maybe the problem - how to get in close range in PvP to fist ur enemy

for PvE : pretty cool atm for me
- i select my target
- i press "4" (attackbind)
- i minimize PW (for chatting, surfing, forum trolling)
- i maximize it after a while
- my enemy is dead and sometimes i need to activate my heal skill ("Diamond Sutra")
or the heal skill of my genie ("Tree Of Protection")
- i almost never use Pots (sometimes if i got more than one opponent on a higher level)
and due to my gold spirit charm
NOTE: gold spirit charm is really recommandable

The chart is weapon only stats. Different builds will have different effects. (specifically str)

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/b...eaponstats.jpg

LOL XD ... i think u forgot to include critical hits - and this is one important aspect and advantage of the Fist BM

Nice charts but have you paid attention to "hidden" bonuses after usage of certain skills? b:question
As well did you notice that sword user have ~same(that small difference is irrelevant) crit/dodge rate with higher at least x2 damage?
b:bye

The chart is unaccurate, it is missing the weapon damage, multipliers, mastery, etc. Which makes the differences higher.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is a chart based upon just the weapon.

Which is pretty much useless.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not for an intelligent person who would take the time to consider the implications of the weapon path they would be taking, the skills they would be using, and the gear they plan on having.

Knowledge in my experience is only useless to the people who don't know how to apply it or refuse to acknowledge it.

It is wrong information that will misled the new players. An intelligent person will know and see that those numbers mean nothing (except the weapon base physical attack).

Yep, weapon physical attack, meaning:

Dual Axe: 399-930
Spear: 407-679
Blade: 339-629
Fists: 343-379

Even your base numbers are wrong. Besides those numbers, everything else in the chart is useless and wrong. I guess it is too difficult for you to figure it out.

Keep trying.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

nope not wrong i added the + stat damage each weapon has. Try again

You know those stats are not static, right?

What you did is just get numbers, plus them and just use simple math to get the "performance of each weapon". Which is not real in the game.

P.S. Even then you just argued about one little detail...lol.

EDIT: Anyways I'm done. I can't expect everyone to be good or understand simple things.

You're just too stubborn to admit your numbers are meaningless. Go play the game and learn more so you can use real knowledge.

Why is anyone even paying attention to this 7X filth? He obviously is handicapped and im amazed he figured out how to log into the forums. His chart looks like something my 3 year old brother would make. His reasoning is on par with what my autistic dog would bark. Someone should just put this sad little thing out of his misery, and put a hot piece of lead through his skull.

I have just decided to switch over to fist/claw. Though the skill tree has not so many benefits as axes, swords or blades, the volume of damage is astounding when you throw the 1.43 default attack rate in.

Another thing is that the HH claws/fists have some very good special add-ons that enhance the fighting capabilities of the character. The capabilities of those who choose fist/claw are really not too different from other, more common builds.

-Verdigo

They're Shadowless kick is a nice lil skill to have when grinding against those mag mobs that poisen or have metal attacks. b:victory

the highest bm in your server is a fist bm,