Veno PvP
EndlessPain - Lost City
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How good are venos in PvP without bleed? Are they any good?
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Venos are just fine without it. If you read the fourms you can even find players talk about how they've met venos good enough to kill them even without pets.
If you learn to pvp well without using bleed, you'll be much, much better at pvp than the ones that do.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
There horrible.
You can kill baddies and lower level/lower geared people.
Of course this is relative to a veno with a pet and bleed.0 -
Walterthewf - Harshlands wrote: »There horrible.
You can kill baddies and lower level/lower geared people.
Of course this is relative to a veno with a pet and bleed.
Only if you suck at pvp.b:byeMain characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
thanks zoe, it's just so many venos on pk board are the ones with nixes
oh and yeah this is EndlessPain0 -
I pvp without a nix, but I swap between herc, level 85 fox (from burning heart) and
my alcephalid death knight.
I try not to use my herc though, I like to see how far I get on skill alone. My level 85 fox has the bleed skill, but he dosen't do nearly as much damage as a nix does with it and he's very easily killed. Even without that, it's still very easy to kill other players. So long as you know all the tricks in the book, there's no escaping O.o
I suppose this mainly depends on your build aswell as skill, you could be a skilled
pvp arcane venomancer but you're going to die so much it's not funny. If you want PvP go light or a heavy build.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
thanks rei
i'm going arcane til 40 then 41+ going pure str and dex so by 50 i'll be light armor0 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Only if you suck at pvp.b:bye
it's ridiculous how dumb you are0 -
Walterthewf - Harshlands wrote: »it's ridiculous how dumb you are
What is ridiculous is how easy venos are to kill when they depend on that certain skill. A phoenix is SO easy to kill then the veno is absolutely nothing when its dead since they never learned how to actually pvp.
Run! Run like the coward you are when I kill your bird in seconds!b:laughMain characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »What is ridiculous is how easy venos are to kill when they depend on that certain skill. A phoenix is SO easy to kill then the veno is absolutely nothing when its dead since they never learned how to actually pvp.
Run! Run like the coward you are when I kill your bird in seconds!b:laugh
Let's learn not to use by far our best tool in PvP so when we can't use our best tool we won't be super afraid of pressing buttons!
I apologize, you win.0 -
just 1 think i play veno witout a pet heavy fox form and i pwned bm and barbs witoud a problem sam as the other clases becose i cans wich hevy and aracane armorb:victoryb:victoryb:victory0
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Trouble is, Walterthewf is that i've yet to come across any phoenix venomancer who knows what to do should his nix die. All the ones i've killed decided to stand there and try to revive their phoenix while I killed them in 3 hits...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »Venos are just fine without it. If you read the fourms you can even find players talk about how they've met venos good enough to kill them even without pets.
*waves* Oh, Hai. Genies don't count as pets, do they? Because I love butchering people with mine. b:laugh0 -
Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »*waves* Oh, Hai. Genies don't count as pets, do they? Because I love butchering people with mine. b:laugh
Genies don't keep you at a distance and take hits for you now do they? Genie is not a pet so if you kill someone with your genie and veno spells without your normal pet, you can still say you killed them petless.b:victory
Walterthewf : The best way to see how good you REALLY are at pvp, is to take away your best tool. To be good at pvp is to be able to handle any situation and continue to fight even when your main tool is disabled. This is why, the general population of this game fails at being any good at pvp.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »Trouble is, Walterthewf is that i've yet to come across any phoenix venomancer who knows what to do should his nix die. All the ones i've killed decided to stand there and try to revive their phoenix while I killed them in 3 hits...
Do you fight only **** people?
Really, the best way to PvP is to use you best tool as much as you can AND know what to do if your best tool is disabled.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »Do you fight only **** people?
Really, the best way to PvP is to use you best tool as much as you can AND know what to do if your best tool is disabled.
Most players can't understand this concept.
PvP VS veno with a phoenix.
Kill the phoenix. Veno: Run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!.
VS BM
Use anti-stun pot. BM: I can't stun WHAT THE HELL DO I DO!?Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Well of course you're thrown off balance if what you're accustomed to has been taken away, that's just human nature. But kindly step down off your high horse if you are a human, or if you're an alien you might want to head back to your own planet.
Just because you need to know what to do without it doesn't mean you shouldn't use it as much as is humanly possible.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »Well of course you're thrown off balance if what you're accustomed to has been taken away, that's just human nature. But kindly step down off your high horse if you are a human, or if you're an alien you might want to head back to your own planet.
Just because you need to know what to do without it doesn't mean you shouldn't use it as much as is humanly possible.
In order to learn how to play without it, you have to not use it. Typically everyone just spams the same thing over and over, so when a time comes when they can't do that, they have no idea how to handle it. You have to actually not use it, and not use it often, if you are to learn how to effectively play without it.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
You have to not use it, sure, but I don't personally recommend open PvPing like that to learn, and it's foolish of you to go about telling people that if they use their nix they suck and they much never use it to be good in PvP.
Go somewhere quiet near a safezone and practice (not in duels) with faction mates who are willing, or squad PvP for a while. Open 1v1 PvP is only going to frustrate you if you don't know what you're doing; even if you're trying to learn to not use the nix if you can help it, it's only going to frustrate you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
oh stop it zoe. i assume you're going to disable ironheart and say i can't use it right?
you duel with a phoenix, and all of your failed(never won) tws have been done with a phoenix.
****ing hypocrite.0 -
I don't use flesh ream. Shut up and learn your place Forp, beneath my foot.
@Alphae yeah it sounds good in theory but its just not the same. When its the way you put it, no one is being serious about it which makes it less real. The best way is to fight random people in a real fight. You'll learn much faster.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
what happened to you "not taking this game seriously"?
and using the flaming chicken simply because you don't?
why do you contridict yourself so much?0 -
What your saying is that something is so good that if it ever gets taken away one would not know what to do, so let's get rid of the good and focus on reacting to something is your worse case scenario, making your worst case scenario your only scenario.
Cool.
Super.
Not to mention there are things you can do to avoid having your nix being killed.0 -
Without a pet(nix or otherwise) we rarely have the damage output to overcome the charm or someone who is higher lvl than you. Sure you have to know how to fight or at least survive if yours gets killed, but you also need to learn how to properly kill with it. I know you are going to say it takes no skill to kill with it, but in TW where you face people that are lvl 95+ yes sometimes it does.
Why refuse to use your best weapon just because someone else wines about it. I have heard people wine about archers crtis, BMs Stuns, but you use what you have. If you want to PvP without a pet and just cast spells on people play a wiz or cleric. We still have the power to kill some classes without a pet, but against a Barb(or anyone with over 8k HP really) I have problems getting past their Charm ticks.
As for just killing their nix and watching them not know what to do...It is easier to just kill the Veno. The nix has more HP, and Def than the Veno and they can cast 1 spell to heal half or more of its life. Dont waste time killing the bird unless they are running.0 -
ok guys don't get carried away i just started this thread because i know i can't afford nix and probably won't until i'm really high lvl
i'm not saying you shouldn't use nix if you got one, just wondering if i would be able to pk without 1
also i'm just going archer but thanks for the repliesFPW > PWI b:victory0 -
Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't use flesh ream. Shut up and learn your place Forp, beneath my foot.
@Alphae yeah it sounds good in theory but its just not the same. When its the way you put it, no one is being serious about it which makes it less real. The best way is to fight random people in a real fight. You'll learn much faster.
Most people don't have dolls to waste fighting and failing in 1v1 PvP. It's easier to go somewhere quiet with a faction-mate. You CAN do it. They can try their best to take you out, you do your best, and that way if you drop stuff, you're not going to have it taken and sold back to you, etc. and so forth. You won't learn AS much as you will in open PvP but you will learn some, and it will help you learn that much faster in open 1v1 and save that many dolls.
Point is what Walter said, just because you want to prepare for the worst doesn't mean you should live the worst eating sleeping and breathing.
@Prediction: You most certainly CAN PvP without an nix, it has been done and will I am sure continue to be done most successfully. However even heavy armor venos still use pets and I would advise you, while you should prepare to try and fight without one, to use one to the best of your ability. Most people recommend the sawfly for air/open PvP and scorpion or (if you can afford it) knowlin for PvP in places where flying is not an option.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Walterthewf - Harshlands wrote: »What your saying is that something is so good that if it ever gets taken away one would not know what to do, so let's get rid of the good and focus on reacting to something is your worse case scenario, making your worst case scenario your only scenario.
2. The cardinal rule in any type of combat is to not become predictable. Once you become predictable, the enemy can come up with the most effective plan to counter you. Or if the enemy is really good, they can use your predictability to bait you into doing something you probably shouldn't be doing.
For years, Ty Cobb always overran first base on singles against a certain outfielder, forcing him to throw the ball to second. The outfielder got used to this, and it became rote for him to lazily throw the ball to second every time Cobb reached first. Then one day, late in a crucial tie game, Cobb hit a single to this outfielder and overran first base. The outfielder lazily threw the ball to second... and Cobb took off running as fast as he could to second, beating the throw, and putting him in position to later score the winning run on a hit.
"All warfare is based on deception." - Sun Tzu
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." - Sun Tzu0 -
i am completely stuck between veno and archer
i just can't decide b:cry
i got lvl 47 archer and my highest veno is only 27 but it's really fun
what class is worth it more end game?
QQ it's just so hard to decide archer or veno!FPW > PWI b:victory0 -
Both are great at PvP, one is far better at PvE.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »Both are great at PvP, one is far better at PvE.
yeah i know that's why i like veno but archer has higher dps because they don't need to cast to do damage but veno needs different pets for air water and land
well i'll see which i choose, i've been trying to choose for 4 days
thanks for the replies thoughFPW > PWI b:victory0
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