Minimum Strength required?

TsunYin - Dreamweaver
TsunYin - Dreamweaver Posts: 7 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Cleric
Hi all,
I'm making a new cleric (as I mainly PvE, and further research showed my LA build wasn't really the best at that), and was once again looking over the builds. I decided to do 8 mag 1 str 1 vit (4 mag 1 vit/4 mag 1 str), only I have trouble keeping track of which I was supposed to raise whenever I leveled. b:embarrass

So I pulled out a spreadsheet and went to the database, and scribbled down numbers. Going through that, it doesn't look like it's +1 Str every 2 levels. Somebody tell me if I'm very wrong?
Armor			
Level	Str	Grade	
1	5	1	Arcane Headgear
1	5	1	Arcane Robe
2	5	1	Arcane Leggings
3	5	1	Arcane Wristguards
4	5	1	Arcane Footwear
5	6	2	Arcane Robe
6	6	2	Arcane Headgear
8	7	2	Arcane Leggings
9	7	2	Arcane Wristguards
10	7	2	Arcane Footwear
12	9	3	Arcane Robe
13	9	3	Arcane Headgear
15	10	3	Arcane Leggings
16	11	3	Arcane Wristguards
18	11	3	Arcane Footwear
20	14	4	Arcane Robe
21	15	4	Arcane Headgear
23	16	4	Arcane Leggings
24	16	4	Arcane Wristguards
26	17	4	Arcane Footwear
30	19	5	Arcane Robe
31	20	5	Arcane Headgear
33	21	5	Arcane Leggings
34	21	5	Arcane Wristguards
36	22	5	Arcane Footwear
40	24	6	Arcane Robe
41	25	6	Arcane Headgear
43	26	6	Arcane Leggings
44	26	6	Arcane Wristguards
46	27	6	Arcane Footwear
Weapons			
Level	Str	Grade	
1	5	1	Wand
2	5	1	Magic Sword
3	5	1	Pataka
4	5	1	Glaive
5	6	2	Wand
7	6	2	Magic Sword
9	7	2	Pataka
11	8	2	Glaive
13	9	3	Wand
15	10	3	Magic Sword
17	12	3	Pataka
19	12	3	Glaive
21	14	4	Wand
24	16	4	Magic Sword
27	19	4	Pataka
29	19	4	Glaive
31	18	5	Wand
34	21	5	Magic Sword
37	24	5	Pataka
39	24	5	Glaive
41	23	6	Wand
44	26	6	Magic Sword
47	30	6	Pataka
49	29	6	Glaive
Compiling the Level/Str and sorting, then just keeping the earliest strength raises gives me:
Level	Str
5	6
8	7
11	8
12	9
15	10
16	11
17	12
20	14
21	15
23	16
26	17
27	19
31	20
33	21
36	22
37	24
41	25
43	26
46	27
47	30
If I go Str +1 every 2 levels, at level 5 I have 7 Str, which is more than necessary. At level 8 I'll have 8-9 Str, still more than necessary. By level 11 I'll have 10 Str, by level 15 I'll have 12 Str.
It looks like that, at least early on, I don't need to follow this formula.
At level 21 though, I'll have 15 Str (min necessary), and it matches at 31 as well.

However, at level 31 I need 20, but I only need 19 at level 27. So I can in fact wait until actually reaching level 31 and using that level to get it to 20.

...is this just putting too much thought into it? If I follow this chart, it means every few levels I'll have more Mag then anyone simply following a build, and then spend a level catching up in Str. Worth it? b:puzzled
Post edited by TsunYin - Dreamweaver on

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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    like your title says, just keep your str to a minimum for your robes at your lvl, following a specific build will either add a little too much str, or not enough. look at your lvl/ and the robes' requirement for next lvl, and when you hit that lvl, raise str if you need to.
  • __IcemanJLF_ - Sanctuary
    __IcemanJLF_ - Sanctuary Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    if you use the formula Min Stength = (LVL + 8)/2 you will have no problems
    easiest way to look at it, odd levels 5 mag, even levels 4 mag 1 Str
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    if your PvE, consider wearing lower lv robes or even low lv light armor for added points in magic = pew pew
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    mogwai wrote: »
    if your PvE, consider wearing lower lv robes or even low lv light armor for added points in magic = pew pew

    why dont you just poor every thing in mag and walk with lv1 armor O_o
    b:dirty
  • Azazel - Dreamweaver
    Azazel - Dreamweaver Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    ....gluck killing mobs at lvl 60+ with armor lvl 30
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    ....gluck killing mobs at lvl 60+ with armor lvl 30


    mag resist would be off the hook...so just train on mag mobs

    btw, my lv 59 veno still wears robe of the tamer (lv 30 rank 1) for the +3 magic
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  • Azazel - Dreamweaver
    Azazel - Dreamweaver Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    uhm...actually no, your mdef will suck like a duck even vs those mag mobs in tusk town and higher level =/
    and from 60 you start doing TT, that's why you need best equip possible =/
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    sigh nooooooo

    TT is specifically why i built a char this way (psh on 3 servers =P)

    & besides hes PvE & a cleric... a few levels of lower armor isint gonna ruin em
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  • Azazel - Dreamweaver
    Azazel - Dreamweaver Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    sigh nooooooooo
    you will die, that what I would say =/
    TT with lower lvl armor AND pure mag? nuh uh dont think so =/
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    were getting off topic, but did u ever try it? LOL

    mobs die b4 they reach you
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  • Azazel - Dreamweaver
    Azazel - Dreamweaver Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    I did, untill I can no longer kill mob b4 they atk me.
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    one of my veno's is FULL mag (str 30) she's lv 59 & kills lv 60 mag mobs in 4-6 hits--without pet, the mob gets 2-3 shots in b4 death & takes her down to 1/2 health

    as a cleric you'd have greater mag attack & defence
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    mogwai wrote: »
    one of my veno's is FULL mag (str 30) she's lv 59 & kills lv 60 mag mobs in 4-6 hits--without pet, the mob gets 2-3 shots in b4 death & takes her down to 1/2 health

    as a cleric you'd have greater mag attack & defence

    You only wish lol, without good armor your mag def is like below 40%, and thats weak, you wont kill mobs before they reach you later on....and not to say that any TT AOE Boss will one hit you back to oblivion...

    For your veno, my veno does not wear armor, cause i hide behind pets, go figure you can do that with a veno xD
    b:dirty
  • Isaid - Sanctuary
    Isaid - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    <-- this is mogwai (this char has not been played for over 4 months)

    i said, (lol) one of my venos, one of them---i have like 4-5 venos, not to mention the several deleted

    ok so i only have 2 accounts, guess i'm a noob >.>
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    so with that said, you may want to use HP gems in all sockets, & besides were talkin cleric not veno (you know the ability to heal themselves with ironheart - the one that stacks over time)

    also the veno i was talking about was created for the sole purpose of farming the hell out of TT 1-1 ie: is doomed to stay at lvs 63-68 ... forever


    i guess the days & hours i spent in forums & character building programs b4 pwi ever came online (which i was ridiculed for) has been paying off the whole time kthxbie
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  • TsunYin - Dreamweaver
    TsunYin - Dreamweaver Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    For the record, I made a new cleric (robes, hybrid) I've found that since making this chart, I've been able to level 1 Vit 4 Mag pretty much every level.

    Up to level 20, anybody OCD enough to follow a chart like this will have more HP and/or Mag then a simple 10 stat guideline. b:laugh

    It will also be true at every level other than the Str boosting new-gear level.

    I've found it's much easier leveling up this time around too. b:victory
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    *facepalm*

    1 vit / 4 mag is not full
    were talking so full that u sacrifice a few levels of armor to add even more magic

    but thats up to u, i only just brought it up as an option then a few ppl started in with bull s***

    ~~happy leveling, i'm sure youll like your new build~~
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    mogwai wrote: »
    *facepalm*

    1 vit / 4 mag is not full
    were talking so full that u sacrifice a few levels of armor to add even more magic

    but thats up to u, i only just brought it up as an option then a few ppl started in with bull s***

    ~~happy leveling, i'm sure youll like your new build~~

    you really only play veno cause thats only possible MAY be with a veno...

    cleric that pure mag and only mag are phails beyond this world, so please stop visiting cleric part of forum.
    b:dirty
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    rofl mogwai is a lv 45 cleric that i stopped playing cause i opted for a full build instead

    i've played all classes with just about every type of build (some interesting) IF from time-to-time i'm wrong, i'll say so

    your on HT, so it probably means your adding vit....

    btw quick question; did you just wake up & pick someone to h8 on? LOL
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  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    For the record, I made a new cleric (robes, hybrid) I've found that since making this chart, I've been able to level 1 Vit 4 Mag pretty much every level.

    Up to level 20, anybody OCD enough to follow a chart like this will have more HP and/or Mag then a simple 10 stat guideline. b:laugh

    It will also be true at every level other than the Str boosting new-gear level.

    I've found it's much easier leveling up this time around too. b:victory

    /facepalm... I thought u was good math.

    You no put 5 base Str... b:chuckle

    But anyways.. the Real Strength Required is basically strength required for weapon you want to get a max Level. The 0.5 Str per level is just a guide. Following that guide after level 100 is just ludacris
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    mogwai wrote: »
    if your PvE, consider wearing lower lv robes or even low lv light armor for added points in magic = pew pew
    mogwai wrote: »
    mag resist would be off the hook...so just train on mag mobs

    btw, my lv 59 veno still wears robe of the tamer (lv 30 rank 1) for the +3 magic
    mogwai wrote: »
    sigh nooooooo

    TT is specifically why i built a char this way (psh on 3 servers =P)

    & besides hes PvE & a cleric... a few levels of lower armor isint gonna ruin em

    Do i need to point out more?
    Lower armor results lower lv weapon, cause apparently you need almost the same amount of str for both aka you dmg is low, very low.

    I dont "h8" no one, just hate bs...
    b:dirty
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Nelae - Lower armor results lower lv weapon, cause apparently you need almost the same amount of str for both aka you dmg is low, very low.

    that couldn't be more wrong



    once again, a cleric would have even MORE mag defense & power

    now shoo
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Even you are showing the wrong thing LOL
    b:dirty
  • TsunYin - Dreamweaver
    TsunYin - Dreamweaver Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    So... a comparison, first off. Equipment is basic - level 24 magic sword, 1 star armor of highest level possible. Only weapon and armor, armor with equal ele res.

    LA, at level 24:
    5 vit, 74 mag, 28 str, 28 dex
    HP: 510 MP: 1680
    Phy Atk: 98-145
    Mag Atk: 282-336 (309)
    Critical: 2%
    Phys Def: 376
    Metal: 619
    Wood: 619
    Water: 619
    Fire: 619
    Earth: 619

    My hybrid, at level 24:
    18 vit, 96 mag, 16 Str, 5 dex
    HP: 640 MP: 1988
    Phy Atk: 91-134
    Mag Atk: 317-378 (347.5)
    Critical: 1%
    Phys Def: 105
    Metal: 953
    Wood: 953
    Water: 953
    Fire: 953
    Earth: 953

    So it looks like the hybrid has a mag attack 38.5 higher on average, but crits probably set this off. However, as someone else said elsewhere, you can't crit healing.
    More directly, the hybrid has +130 HP and +308 MP. Phys Def is down 271, Ele Def is up 334.

    Now, I play with a few IRL friends, none of whom do clerics. One seems settled with his archer, the others are BMs and Barbs. We do PvE, and I don't do PvP.
    With that in mind, the Hybrid seems better for me. I read that the LA build is more for PvP when your enemy can choose their attacks. Can someone shed some light on this? Should I stick with LA? Thus far, the hybrid levels much, much faster then the LA did, but he's only at level 17 atm. Will things change at higher levels? I hear most monsters are elemental in nature at higher levels. Yes? No? b:puzzled
  • Azazel - Dreamweaver
    Azazel - Dreamweaver Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    if you don't pvp, go hybrid. LA is not the best choice for PVE at 50+ (lots of magic mobs, tons of hp).
  • TsunYin - Dreamweaver
    TsunYin - Dreamweaver Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    if you don't pvp, go hybrid. LA is not the best choice for PVE at 50+ (lots of magic mobs, tons of hp).
    Excellent. So my time spent compiling this list and rolling a new cleric hasn't been wasted. b:thanks
  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    yay *throws confetti* on TsunYin
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