Minimum Strength required?
TsunYin - Dreamweaver
Posts: 7 Arc User
Hi all,
I'm making a new cleric (as I mainly PvE, and further research showed my LA build wasn't really the best at that), and was once again looking over the builds. I decided to do 8 mag 1 str 1 vit (4 mag 1 vit/4 mag 1 str), only I have trouble keeping track of which I was supposed to raise whenever I leveled. b:embarrass
So I pulled out a spreadsheet and went to the database, and scribbled down numbers. Going through that, it doesn't look like it's +1 Str every 2 levels. Somebody tell me if I'm very wrong?
It looks like that, at least early on, I don't need to follow this formula.
At level 21 though, I'll have 15 Str (min necessary), and it matches at 31 as well.
However, at level 31 I need 20, but I only need 19 at level 27. So I can in fact wait until actually reaching level 31 and using that level to get it to 20.
...is this just putting too much thought into it? If I follow this chart, it means every few levels I'll have more Mag then anyone simply following a build, and then spend a level catching up in Str. Worth it? b:puzzled
I'm making a new cleric (as I mainly PvE, and further research showed my LA build wasn't really the best at that), and was once again looking over the builds. I decided to do 8 mag 1 str 1 vit (4 mag 1 vit/4 mag 1 str), only I have trouble keeping track of which I was supposed to raise whenever I leveled. b:embarrass
So I pulled out a spreadsheet and went to the database, and scribbled down numbers. Going through that, it doesn't look like it's +1 Str every 2 levels. Somebody tell me if I'm very wrong?
Armor Level Str Grade 1 5 1 Arcane Headgear 1 5 1 Arcane Robe 2 5 1 Arcane Leggings 3 5 1 Arcane Wristguards 4 5 1 Arcane Footwear 5 6 2 Arcane Robe 6 6 2 Arcane Headgear 8 7 2 Arcane Leggings 9 7 2 Arcane Wristguards 10 7 2 Arcane Footwear 12 9 3 Arcane Robe 13 9 3 Arcane Headgear 15 10 3 Arcane Leggings 16 11 3 Arcane Wristguards 18 11 3 Arcane Footwear 20 14 4 Arcane Robe 21 15 4 Arcane Headgear 23 16 4 Arcane Leggings 24 16 4 Arcane Wristguards 26 17 4 Arcane Footwear 30 19 5 Arcane Robe 31 20 5 Arcane Headgear 33 21 5 Arcane Leggings 34 21 5 Arcane Wristguards 36 22 5 Arcane Footwear 40 24 6 Arcane Robe 41 25 6 Arcane Headgear 43 26 6 Arcane Leggings 44 26 6 Arcane Wristguards 46 27 6 Arcane Footwear
Weapons Level Str Grade 1 5 1 Wand 2 5 1 Magic Sword 3 5 1 Pataka 4 5 1 Glaive 5 6 2 Wand 7 6 2 Magic Sword 9 7 2 Pataka 11 8 2 Glaive 13 9 3 Wand 15 10 3 Magic Sword 17 12 3 Pataka 19 12 3 Glaive 21 14 4 Wand 24 16 4 Magic Sword 27 19 4 Pataka 29 19 4 Glaive 31 18 5 Wand 34 21 5 Magic Sword 37 24 5 Pataka 39 24 5 Glaive 41 23 6 Wand 44 26 6 Magic Sword 47 30 6 Pataka 49 29 6 GlaiveCompiling the Level/Str and sorting, then just keeping the earliest strength raises gives me:
Level Str 5 6 8 7 11 8 12 9 15 10 16 11 17 12 20 14 21 15 23 16 26 17 27 19 31 20 33 21 36 22 37 24 41 25 43 26 46 27 47 30If I go Str +1 every 2 levels, at level 5 I have 7 Str, which is more than necessary. At level 8 I'll have 8-9 Str, still more than necessary. By level 11 I'll have 10 Str, by level 15 I'll have 12 Str.
It looks like that, at least early on, I don't need to follow this formula.
At level 21 though, I'll have 15 Str (min necessary), and it matches at 31 as well.
However, at level 31 I need 20, but I only need 19 at level 27. So I can in fact wait until actually reaching level 31 and using that level to get it to 20.
...is this just putting too much thought into it? If I follow this chart, it means every few levels I'll have more Mag then anyone simply following a build, and then spend a level catching up in Str. Worth it? b:puzzled
Post edited by TsunYin - Dreamweaver on
0
Comments
-
like your title says, just keep your str to a minimum for your robes at your lvl, following a specific build will either add a little too much str, or not enough. look at your lvl/ and the robes' requirement for next lvl, and when you hit that lvl, raise str if you need to.0
-
if you use the formula Min Stength = (LVL + 8)/2 you will have no problems
easiest way to look at it, odd levels 5 mag, even levels 4 mag 1 Str0 -
if your PvE, consider wearing lower lv robes or even low lv light armor for added points in magic = pew pewmmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
-
....gluck killing mobs at lvl 60+ with armor lvl 300
-
Azazel - Dreamweaver wrote: »....gluck killing mobs at lvl 60+ with armor lvl 30
mag resist would be off the hook...so just train on mag mobs
btw, my lv 59 veno still wears robe of the tamer (lv 30 rank 1) for the +3 magicmmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
uhm...actually no, your mdef will suck like a duck even vs those mag mobs in tusk town and higher level =/
and from 60 you start doing TT, that's why you need best equip possible =/0 -
sigh nooooooo
TT is specifically why i built a char this way (psh on 3 servers =P)
& besides hes PvE & a cleric... a few levels of lower armor isint gonna ruin emmmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
sigh nooooooooo
you will die, that what I would say =/
TT with lower lvl armor AND pure mag? nuh uh dont think so =/0 -
were getting off topic, but did u ever try it? LOL
mobs die b4 they reach yoummorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
I did, untill I can no longer kill mob b4 they atk me.0
-
one of my veno's is FULL mag (str 30) she's lv 59 & kills lv 60 mag mobs in 4-6 hits--without pet, the mob gets 2-3 shots in b4 death & takes her down to 1/2 health
as a cleric you'd have greater mag attack & defencemmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
one of my veno's is FULL mag (str 30) she's lv 59 & kills lv 60 mag mobs in 4-6 hits--without pet, the mob gets 2-3 shots in b4 death & takes her down to 1/2 health
as a cleric you'd have greater mag attack & defence
You only wish lol, without good armor your mag def is like below 40%, and thats weak, you wont kill mobs before they reach you later on....and not to say that any TT AOE Boss will one hit you back to oblivion...
For your veno, my veno does not wear armor, cause i hide behind pets, go figure you can do that with a veno xDb:dirty0 -
<-- this is mogwai (this char has not been played for over 4 months)
i said, (lol) one of my venos, one of them---i have like 4-5 venos, not to mention the several deleted
ok so i only have 2 accounts, guess i'm a noob >.>0 -
so with that said, you may want to use HP gems in all sockets, & besides were talkin cleric not veno (you know the ability to heal themselves with ironheart - the one that stacks over time)
also the veno i was talking about was created for the sole purpose of farming the hell out of TT 1-1 ie: is doomed to stay at lvs 63-68 ... forever
i guess the days & hours i spent in forums & character building programs b4 pwi ever came online (which i was ridiculed for) has been paying off the whole time kthxbiemmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
For the record, I made a new cleric (robes, hybrid) I've found that since making this chart, I've been able to level 1 Vit 4 Mag pretty much every level.
Up to level 20, anybody OCD enough to follow a chart like this will have more HP and/or Mag then a simple 10 stat guideline. b:laugh
It will also be true at every level other than the Str boosting new-gear level.
I've found it's much easier leveling up this time around too. b:victory0 -
*facepalm*
1 vit / 4 mag is not full
were talking so full that u sacrifice a few levels of armor to add even more magic
but thats up to u, i only just brought it up as an option then a few ppl started in with bull s***
~~happy leveling, i'm sure youll like your new build~~mmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
*facepalm*
1 vit / 4 mag is not full
were talking so full that u sacrifice a few levels of armor to add even more magic
but thats up to u, i only just brought it up as an option then a few ppl started in with bull s***
~~happy leveling, i'm sure youll like your new build~~
you really only play veno cause thats only possible MAY be with a veno...
cleric that pure mag and only mag are phails beyond this world, so please stop visiting cleric part of forum.b:dirty0 -
rofl mogwai is a lv 45 cleric that i stopped playing cause i opted for a full build instead
i've played all classes with just about every type of build (some interesting) IF from time-to-time i'm wrong, i'll say so
your on HT, so it probably means your adding vit....
btw quick question; did you just wake up & pick someone to h8 on? LOLmmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
TsunYin - Dreamweaver wrote: »For the record, I made a new cleric (robes, hybrid) I've found that since making this chart, I've been able to level 1 Vit 4 Mag pretty much every level.
Up to level 20, anybody OCD enough to follow a chart like this will have more HP and/or Mag then a simple 10 stat guideline. b:laugh
It will also be true at every level other than the Str boosting new-gear level.
I've found it's much easier leveling up this time around too. b:victory
/facepalm... I thought u was good math.
You no put 5 base Str... b:chuckle
But anyways.. the Real Strength Required is basically strength required for weapon you want to get a max Level. The 0.5 Str per level is just a guide. Following that guide after level 100 is just ludacrisPosition: Professional Forum Troll
Position Details: Be able to incite people to flames and perform miracles such as telling people what's right and what's wrong. Be able to dish out flames to other people so fire extinguishers are needed to put out the flames. Most of all, giving others a piece of reality.
ZephyrX is better than crack... he's your Anti-Drug0 -
if your PvE, consider wearing lower lv robes or even low lv light armor for added points in magic = pew pewmag resist would be off the hook...so just train on mag mobs
btw, my lv 59 veno still wears robe of the tamer (lv 30 rank 1) for the +3 magicsigh nooooooo
TT is specifically why i built a char this way (psh on 3 servers =P)
& besides hes PvE & a cleric... a few levels of lower armor isint gonna ruin em
Do i need to point out more?
Lower armor results lower lv weapon, cause apparently you need almost the same amount of str for both aka you dmg is low, very low.
I dont "h8" no one, just hate bs...b:dirty0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »I dont "h8" no one, just hate bs...
know this, so do I
i took these yesterday assuming discussion would go this way
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/Rigamarole/2009-06-0218-38-58.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/Rigamarole/2009-06-0218-39-03.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/Rigamarole/2009-06-0218-39-08.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/Rigamarole/2009-06-0218-39-12.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/Rigamarole/2009-06-0218-40-29.jpgmmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
Nelae - Lower armor results lower lv weapon, cause apparently you need almost the same amount of str for both aka you dmg is low, very low.
that couldn't be more wrong
once again, a cleric would have even MORE mag defense & power
now shoommorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0 -
Even you are showing the wrong thing LOLb:dirty0
-
So... a comparison, first off. Equipment is basic - level 24 magic sword, 1 star armor of highest level possible. Only weapon and armor, armor with equal ele res.
LA, at level 24:
5 vit, 74 mag, 28 str, 28 dex
HP: 510 MP: 1680
Phy Atk: 98-145
Mag Atk: 282-336 (309)
Critical: 2%
Phys Def: 376
Metal: 619
Wood: 619
Water: 619
Fire: 619
Earth: 619
My hybrid, at level 24:
18 vit, 96 mag, 16 Str, 5 dex
HP: 640 MP: 1988
Phy Atk: 91-134
Mag Atk: 317-378 (347.5)
Critical: 1%
Phys Def: 105
Metal: 953
Wood: 953
Water: 953
Fire: 953
Earth: 953
So it looks like the hybrid has a mag attack 38.5 higher on average, but crits probably set this off. However, as someone else said elsewhere, you can't crit healing.
More directly, the hybrid has +130 HP and +308 MP. Phys Def is down 271, Ele Def is up 334.
Now, I play with a few IRL friends, none of whom do clerics. One seems settled with his archer, the others are BMs and Barbs. We do PvE, and I don't do PvP.
With that in mind, the Hybrid seems better for me. I read that the LA build is more for PvP when your enemy can choose their attacks. Can someone shed some light on this? Should I stick with LA? Thus far, the hybrid levels much, much faster then the LA did, but he's only at level 17 atm. Will things change at higher levels? I hear most monsters are elemental in nature at higher levels. Yes? No? b:puzzled0 -
if you don't pvp, go hybrid. LA is not the best choice for PVE at 50+ (lots of magic mobs, tons of hp).0
-
Azazel - Dreamweaver wrote: »if you don't pvp, go hybrid. LA is not the best choice for PVE at 50+ (lots of magic mobs, tons of hp).0
-
yay *throws confetti* on TsunYinmmorpg is R'lyehian for: Innumerable quantities of grown babies
discussing & often complaining about the imaginary.
[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=1618000&dateline=1316204434[/SIGPIC]0
Categories
- All Categories
- 181.9K PWI
- 697 Official Announcements
- 2 Rules of Conduct
- 264 Cabbage Patch Notes
- 61K General Discussion
- 1.5K Quality Corner
- 11.1K Suggestion Box
- 77.4K Archosaur City
- 3.5K Cash Shop Huddle
- 14.3K Server Symposium
- 18.1K Dungeons & Tactics
- 2K The Crafting Nook
- 4.9K Guild Banter
- 6.6K The Trading Post
- 28K Class Discussion
- 1.9K Arigora Colosseum
- 78 TW & Cross Server Battles
- 337 Nation Wars
- 8.2K Off-Topic Discussion
- 3.7K The Fanatics Forum
- 207 Screenshots and Videos
- 22.8K Support Desk