Killing mobs 20 lvls higher and genie questions

Xipetotekia - Sanctuary
Xipetotekia - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
edited June 2009 in Venomancer
Greetings,

Would a crystalline Magemite be a good enough pet to allow me to down mobs that are about 20 lvls above me? I ask because on the gamefaqs board for this site a user said I could do that with a good pet in order to make money.

Also, what type of genie should I have? Right now I have the dexterity one but I hardly use the thing and I'm mad at myself for leveling it. At the moment I'm fully arcane so I'm guessing the magic based genie would be a good choice.

Lastly, I'm thinking about changing my build from fully arcane to a strength based fox one but would like to know what the price is like for buying a reset note off of another player on the Sanctuary server. I'm guessing that it would cost me a ton. b:cry
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Honestly, if you want to grind for money, I would suggest killing stuff 2-4 levels lower than you. At 3 levels below, the drop rate is reduced to 90%. At 5 levels below, the drop rate is reduced to 80%. But you kill the lower level mobs a heckuva lot faster. If you fight stuff 20 levels above you, it'll take you like 2 minutes to kill each mob. In that same time, you could kill 6-8 mobs that are slightly lower than you. Yes each one will have less loot than the higher level mob, but you'll kill so many of them that you'll easily get more total loot.

    The genie color only really matters for stats you want to increase past 45 (or 43). If you have a green genie and want to raise magic past 45, it'll cost you 2 points to increase it to 46. It starts with 5 magic, and 5+40 = 45 before diminishing returns kick in. If you had a white genie, since it starts with 15 mag, diminishing returns doesn't kick in until it passes 15+40 = 55 mag.

    Because of this, most genies will probably end up being generalists. Dex and mag seem to be the most desired stats. 40 dex (for increased debuff effects), 40 mag (for the extra skill slot and higher energy regen), and extra points dumped into vit (extra energy) and whatever else you want. So unless you get really lucky with luck points, the color genie won't really matter until you reach about level 60.

    I'd suggest just keeping the genie you have and playing around with different skills til you find some you like. After you're comfortable with how the genies work and have a better idea of exactly what stats you prefer, then you can think about leveling up a new genie. When you reach level 30, you'll get access to crazy stone - a daily quest which takes 10 minutes and gives you a ton of exp. You can use that to help level up your genie.

    At your level I would discourage going with heavy fox. It's a complicated build which acts pretty much like a gimped blademaster with a pet but no special skills. Everyone agrees that an arcane build does the most damage and levels quickest, and it's a really simple build to do. After you've reached level 60 or 70 or even 80, then you can think of restatting to heavy. At the lower levels, you're upgrading equipment so frequently that it generally isn't worth the time it takes to collect the equipment needed to make a heavy fox worth. If you absolutely must play as a melee character, you're probably better off creating a blademaster or barbarian alt.
  • FlappingPix - Heavens Tear
    FlappingPix - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    What soldari says about farming is absolutely true. That's exactly what I have been doing, while not every mob drops items I kill fast enough that I get a good stock of items even after an hour of farming I have enough to make good money.

    I also thought about going from arcane to light armor on my other veno, but realized that at level 40 it wasn't worth it having gone arcane so long. So I created this veno and from the start I began building it as a light armor fox. Its a fun build, but not one to just jump right into since the game play is totally different than arcane. I would assume going heavy fox would be much like that but be more melee oriented than even than light armor since we still have a decent magic attack for when its needed.
  • Xipetotekia - Sanctuary
    Xipetotekia - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Thanks for the responses. I guess I'll just keep questing normally as that is making me some good money; have about 170,000 at the moment. I just hope I'll have enough to eventually get a mount off of another player.
    After I made this tread I looked at the heavy robe fox guide and quickly realized that the build was meant for end game. I would still like to give it a try but I will follow your advice and wait for higher levels when I have the cash to spare. I would like to ask how playing a light armor fox compares to heavy armor fox? Would playing a light armor fox be more of a hybrid build that could utilize both fox form and regular spells effectively? Basically heavy fox is meant to be physical and pure arcane is meant to be a mage but does a light armor fox bridge the gap?
  • FlappingPix - Heavens Tear
    FlappingPix - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Yes a light armor fox is more of a hybrid since we can melee and alternatively use spells. However, the total damage we do in human form is much less than going arcane. That is simply due to the fact more level points have to go into strength and dex should you want to have the best armor you can get. The up side is greater phys def that light armor give compared to that of arcane giving more suvivablity.

    Heavy armor fox from what I understand from what others have posted is harder to play. Obviously I haven't tried it out to know from first hand, but I would guess your magic would be gimped if you tried to use the best available armor set. Of course there is the other side too; lower armor set and better magic weapon. So I guess its all in how you want to play.
  • cambrianstar
    cambrianstar Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    I have an LA fox at 63 at the moment.
    What I've done is level basically just ironwood and venomous, the other points have gone to debuffs and fox form skills, none of them maxed except fox form and melee mastery.
    I can use spells when I want and melee when I want. Using this build lets me care less what resistance the monsters have.
    Another bonus is at lower levels fox form is great to regenerate mana. You can use Soul Transfusion and spam Leech Life till you fill up your hp. Low hp isn't that risky because your pet has the aggro.

    I would say if you wanted to do a pure fox it would be EASIER than either BM or Barb simply because you don't ever have to get hit. You also have amazing veno skills..
    Your magic attack does suck if you want to try leveling with current level heavy armor. You will be using magic weapons under your level. Strength makes up for this and eventually a heavy build will do more damage than an LA.
    The pet heal is not terrible and still does the job - but you won't be soloing TT anytime soon with a heavy fox build.

    Now as far as LA - what most people don't get is that LA magic attack is not much lower, if at all, than an arcane veno in a lot of cases. This is simply because the points we have to put into str and dex for armor, an arcane veno would put into vit for HP.
    That, and there is also a much nicer critical stat for LA. LA still uses a current level weapon.

    If you want to do light armor, go for it.
    If you want to solo bosses as soon as possible, neither light or heavy builds are for you. Do 9 magic and 1 str per 2 levels just like everyone else.
    LA/HA are principally pvp oriented builds.


    On a side note, as far as just general damage for leveling, I believe that a heavy fox veno could do just as much damage as an arcane veno with 9 mag/1str.
    You're more dependant on equips and you lack the range and utility of an LA/arcane veno, but the raw damage is there. Melee mastery is the strongest mastery in PWI and foxes have the 2nd fastest weapon. The only thing that sucks is the fox skills don't add a bonus attack percentage. You do, however, get a super spammable aoe debuff.
    Also eventually you can raise magic high enough to wear current level weapons.. and that's what they're talking about in the guide up there.
  • FlappingPix - Heavens Tear
    FlappingPix - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    A light armor veno still will never match a full arcane build in spell damage department my other veno is a level 50 arcane. That is simply from having to put more of your point into strength and dex should you want to use the best armor available. Which would mean that a heavy veno would have no where near even light armor in spells should they need to use them much less that of an arcane veno. So really going heavy armor you rely much more on your melee skills and debufs than any of the three builds.
  • cambrianstar
    cambrianstar Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Yeah that's pretty much what I wrote. =)
  • Xipetotekia - Sanctuary
    Xipetotekia - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    After looking at all of the post I'm thinking that light armor might be the way to go for me. It seems that build is pretty much what I was looking for; one that would let me utilize a wide breath of veno skills effectively. But I still have a long way to go before I can afford to switch anything. Thanks.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    A light armor veno still will never match a full arcane build in spell damage department my other veno is a level 50 arcane. That is simply from having to put more of your point into strength and dex should you want to use the best armor available. Which would mean that a heavy veno would have no where near even light armor in spells should they need to use them much less that of an arcane veno. So really going heavy armor you rely much more on your melee skills and debufs than any of the three builds.

    That isn't actually correct about a HA/Arcane build. A HA/Arcane build has the same magic as LA will have higher armor than LA even if the level of armor isn't same level. The main differences between LA and HA is HA is more tedious to gear for, and HA will have lower accuracy and evasion while having higher physical attack.
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  • Xipetotekia - Sanctuary
    Xipetotekia - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    An update on my character: with the last two levels I've thrown some points into dex so I can start using light armor and hopefully be able to get good light armor by the time I start to get the more interesting fox form moves. As of right now I just have Purge, Befuddling Mist and Fox Wallop. I'm guessing I should follow advice in the comprehensive venomaster guide about what abilities to level and I should be fine.

    One question I have is what type of weapon should I be going for? What do LA foxes typically use? Weapon is not a big deal at the moment because my FB19 weapons still seems to be miles ahead of everything else that I find but I'd like to know what LA venos typically use? I would guess magic swords are the weapon of choice for this build because they give a pretty good balance of magic attack and physical attack while not having a very heavy requirement for magic stat.

    I still think that I will end up experimenting with HA veno later on but that will have to wait until end game and maybe after I've gotten a herc.
  • FlappingPix - Heavens Tear
    FlappingPix - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    Using a weapon in fox form you are more concerned with the physical damage than magic. Without looking I'm not sure what the physical damage is on the FB19 pataka since I chose not to use it. I got a good deal on a Mirage Sword that was already +2 from the acution house and it seems to be quite good with 143 - 203 physical damage. If you don't have the money to get one stick with the FB19.
  • cambrianstar
    cambrianstar Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    It depends on your playstyle. If you use attack skills only occasionally in fox form you are better off with a magic sword for the attack speed and damage.

    If you use attack skills a lot, a pataka is better, because skill spam ignores atk speed.
    This is the same reasoning behind using a crossbow on a skill spamming archer. (pvp)

    When grinding I, myself, will typically use befuddling once and then use regular hits to kill it.



    OMGLAZERZ is right on the HA/Arcane combination but that wasn't even brought up before.
    What he's talking about is using heavy armor 1 or 2 levels under you while mixing with current level arcane for keeping magic defense reasonably high.
    This might be fine for a caster but your accuracy will be poor in fox form.
    This is another option if you want to go to the trouble.
  • Xipetotekia - Sanctuary
    Xipetotekia - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The FB19 weapon has a little less physical attach than that I think is something like 180 is its max. I'll look into weapons as I level and see when one becomes good enough to replace the one I have. I'm unfamilar with the mirage sword, is it a normal sword or a magic one?

    I don't want to go HA/robe because that seems to mainly be a mage build. I'm going LA fox because then I will be able to use arcane spells when I want and fox form when I want.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The FB19 weapon has a little less physical attach than that I think is something like 180 is its max. I'll look into weapons as I level and see when one becomes good enough to replace the one I have. I'm unfamilar with the mirage sword, is it a normal sword or a magic one?

    I don't want to go HA/robe because that seems to mainly be a mage build. I'm going LA fox because then I will be able to use arcane spells when I want and fox form when I want.

    HA/Robe similar to LA except less dex and more strength with the similar magic.

    The Mirage Sword is a level 22 magic weapon: http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/8308
    OMGLAZERZ is right on the HA/Arcane combination but that wasn't even brought up before.
    What he's talking about is using heavy armor 1 or 2 levels under you while mixing with current level arcane for keeping magic defense reasonably high.
    This might be fine for a caster but your accuracy will be poor in fox form.
    This is another option if you want to go to the trouble.

    Accuracy is fine in Fox Form, and if you are worried about accuracy, you can gem for accuracy, and HA is not just a castor build, it works exceedingly well for Fox Form and hybrid builds.

    Until you actually play a HA build you cannot accurately state it's only good for casters because that isn't actually true.
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  • FlappingPix - Heavens Tear
    FlappingPix - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited June 2009
    The HA/arcane armor set up is only good if you already know which pieces to use. I haven't gone that route simply because it seems like more trouble always switching something out due to replacing items early on.

    I'm a pure fox form player using light armor and if played well you should be able to tank mobs same level as you easily enough due to using the skills. Soul Transfusion is an amazing skill allowing you to use your mana like a second HP bar when needed since the fox skills use less mana than arcane. Also I should mention using your skill, pet skills, and genie skills you can stack up your debuffs to a point where the mob is taking 40% extra damage and with mist max along with sand storm the mobs accuracy is 0. Add in pierce stacked with hollow fist their phys def is down to about 50%. If see what I'm getting at your armor choice; LA, HA or HA/arcane is less imporatant than know how to use your skills given.