Okay, my curiosity has gotten the best of me
erethizon1
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Okay, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Why do so many people in this game call each other "a fail" (e.g. at your class you are a fail, at life your a fail)? Why not, you are a failure, or you fail at doing your job? Why is it "a fail"? Is it just because this is an international game and so the English is poor? Is this some reference that I am not familiar with? This is the only game I ever heard that in and it appears to be everywhere so where does it come from?
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it comes from the grammar police slacking lately0
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blame world of warcraft. its generated 95% of the idiotic terms you hear to date, that dont make any sense. people claim they hate wow yet use its terminology like its real vocaulary outside of it like its nothing, which is an oxymoron.0
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I've never heard this but who ever's been saying probably belongs back in elementary grammer class.Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »blame world of warcraft. its generated 95% of the idiotic terms you hear to date, that dont make any sense. people claim they hate wow yet use its terminology like its real vocaulary outside of it like its nothing, which is an oxymoron.
Warcraft and Rune Scape. My personal favorite is "how I mine for fish!" ^^0 -
I'm pretty sure it originated from poor English speakers auguring over world chat. It caught on because its just easy for idiots that have nothing witty to say, can just world chat "fvck you, shut up, you fail".
YOU SUX has now been officially replaced by YOU FAIL.
YOU FAIL and Q Q are now officially the most ridiculously overused saying by far. Hopefully the go out of fashion soon.0 -
I think telling someone they fail using the term "you fail" makes perfect sense. I don't see why you picked on that one since the topic as about calling someone "a fail".0
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overly abused cliches and forced memes need to die.NecroKitty - Harshlands wrote: »I'm pretty sure it originated from poor English speakers auguring over world chat. It caught on because its just easy for idiots that have nothing witty to say, can just world chat "fvck you, shut up, you fail".
YOU SUX has now been officially replaced by YOU FAIL.
YOU FAIL and Q Q are now officially the most ridiculously overused saying by far. Hopefully the go out of fashion soon.0 -
Valdea - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think telling someone they fail using the term "you fail" makes perfect sense. I don't see why you picked on that one since the topic as about calling someone "a fail".
I agree with you. Saying "You fail at X", or "You are a failure at X" are perfectly fine and make sense to me. What caused me to make this thread is quotes like this one that I spotted on another thread, "rofl... your such a big fail."
Now I am not big on being a grammar police officer and normally I just totally ignore things like this, but in this particular game and only this particular game I am seeing fail used like this all the time. Not only that I almost never hear it used in a grammatically correct way, which made me wonder if perhaps there was more to it than just bad English. I thought perhaps it had a point of origin and was a running joke that I was just not a part of (like that whole "All your base are belong to us" thing that people used to make reference to all the time even though it made no sense to anyone that was not familiar with it).0 -
I generally find that "fail" is used as an adjective, not a noun.
i.e. "that is a fail barb" not "that barb is a fail"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »I generally find that "fail" is used as an adjective, not a noun.
i.e. "that is a fail barb" not "that barb is a fail"
That is true, that is more common, but is still just as bad. Saying he fails at being a barb, or he is a failure at being a barb, or at being a barb he fails, are all fine. But a fail barb is just wrong. I would expect the incorrect versions to appear some of the time, but they are virtually all I see. 99% of the use of the word fail is grammatically incorrect and that is unbelievably high for it to just be random bad English. I figured it must have a source. I see people with otherwise grammatically perfect posts saying it.0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »blame world of warcraft. its generated 95% of the idiotic terms you hear to date, that dont make any sense. people claim they hate wow yet use its terminology like its real vocaulary outside of it like its nothing, which is an oxymoron.
like toon
I am not a toon, i have never playd toon town and never will lol [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Super Duper Uber Booper0 -
Revolte - Heavens Tear wrote: »like toon I am not a toon, i have never playd toon town and never will lol
I agree with you there. Toon has to be my least favorite term for character.0 -
PEOPLE DO NOT USE 'TOON' OR 'roll' in other MMOs0
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Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »PEOPLE DO NOT USE 'TOON' OR 'roll' in other MMOs
Is that a question or a statement? I see people call their characters "toons" in most of the MMORPG's I have played.
On a side note, Toon Town is actually a fine game. I could not recommend it more highly for people that have kids between the ages of roughly 5 and 10 and want to play an MMORPG with their kids. I used to play it with my son and it was quite enjoyable. It is not something I would recommend to people that want a more serious MMORPG.0 -
erethizon1 wrote: »99% of the use of the word fail is grammatically incorrect and that is unbelievably high for it to just be random bad English. I figured it must have a source.
dud welkum 2da intrwebz
Seriously though, it's just part of the vernacular, like "what's up" or "dude" has become.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Valdea - Dreamweaver wrote: »Warcraft and Rune Scape. My personal favorite is "how I mine for fish!" ^^
Ugh... I dumped several years of my life into that second one... You couldn't even walk by the starter town without seeing spam of "Free moneys plz!!!"
On a sidenote... Compared to how horribly annoying it was to make money, which was basically mining and mining, or fishing, or fishing, or crafting, and crafting... Perfect World is like a dream come true. It actually gives you incentive to kill mobs. Actual drops that don't suck! And NPC shops that don't vary prices based on some idiot dumping hundreds of an item into it, or buying every last item in the shop.0 -
Blame failblog.
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every new fad seems to generate its own dialect, be it games or whatever. and it leaks into the general vocabulary sooner or later. my husband teaches high school English, and cringes at some of the things that cross his desk at the beginning of each school year! with my having gotten into online gaming in the last few years, he traces the source of some of the weird expressions he sees. but i still find i have to look up things i hear in chat, or ask for translations all the time!
and here i thought Valley Girl was the weirdest thing i had heard for so long! ha!b:laugherethizon1 wrote: »Okay, my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Why do so many people in this game call each other "a fail" (e.g. at your class you are a fail, at life your a fail)? Why not, you are a failure, or you fail at doing your job? Why is it "a fail"? Is it just because this is an international game and so the English is poor? Is this some reference that I am not familiar with? This is the only game I ever heard that in and it appears to be everywhere so where does it come from?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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people like my mother invented valley girl ~_~. live in fresno CA, and you will see hell lol.FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »every new fad seems to generate its own dialect, be it games or whatever. and it leaks into the general vocabulary sooner or later. my husband teaches high school English, and cringes at some of the things that cross his desk at the beginning of each school year! with my having gotten into online gaming in the last few years, he traces the source of some of the weird expressions he sees. but i still find i have to look up things i hear in chat, or ask for translations all the time!
and here i thought Valley Girl was the weirdest thing i had heard for so long! ha!b:laugh0 -
heh...im from Orange County, and we already knew Fresno was hell! ^_^ but nothing is a bad as trying to understand some teen with a wad of gum that would choke a cow, drawling out Val-isms over a MickeyD speaker...yikes. i can imagine that fast food stores have to teach basic English along with how to flip burgers, so that customers can know they are getting what they ordered, and not hear some of the current game slang.Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »people like my mother invented valley girl ~_~. live in fresno CA, and you will see hell lol.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Playing here since '08b:heart0 -
Managed to play whole evening yesterday without hearing "You fail" not even once. Not said to me nor said to anybody else. Aren't you exaggerating by saying "so many people"? If it's true then where are they?
It's true that the game has a few regular WC asses but that's not "so many people".0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »blame world of warcraft. its generated 95% of the idiotic terms you hear to date, that dont make any sense. people claim they hate wow yet use its terminology like its real vocaulary outside of it like its nothing, which is an oxymoron.
lol this isnt from wow..
all this english that dont make any sense are mostly from eur/malaysian server.
they came to pwi and just continue their way of speaking..
the 5 years i played wow..i never heard anyone use such phrase Fail.
unless you fail a quest.
some of these Tars here in pwi using fail as some sore of response
cause other day someone auction some item in wc say offer.
so I did..and that person answer to me *fail*
so I reply what the heck is that mean fail? is that a yes maybe or no answer?
and the person comes out with some stupid reply say not very good at english.
this person use Fail as a no answer..
These people are total failures attempt to make up some word to represent some sort
slang type of expression...0 -
my english is fail b:laughmeow?
b:bye0 -
I don't know what games you guys play but people were saying "you fail" and "qq" back when I was playing things like quake 3 2-3 years ago (maybe more). It's not new.
If you have never heard either of those phrases then you FAIL at internet culture.0 -
Literature wrote:If you have never heard either of those phrases then you FAIL at internet culture.
That's quite the compliment, though unfortunately inapplicable to me because I have both heard, and grown to hate, the use of the word "fail" in 99.9% of all situations. (I counted.)0 -
fail and QQ are such great words, they are the scariest weapons in my arsenal, fear the fail and qq0
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I know. I wish we could kill all overused cliches in one fell swoop. It is such a sorry sight how some people use them to their heart's content. They don't realize they are a laughing stock. It's become so widespread the board is beginning to look like a fool's paradise. Sometimes the memes are so obtuse it's Greek to me. I wish we could take all these people who abuse cliches and send them packing.Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »overly abused cliches and forced memes need to die.
When a clever phrase is new, it can leave me in stitches. But eventually it becomes too much of a good thing and so overused it sets my teeth on edge to hear it again. By the time a cliche has seen better days, I want it to die out so I can say good riddance.
I would have said something about this sooner, but discretion is the better part of valor so I've been trying to lie low. But I must confess: this has been bugging me so much that I haven't been able to sleep one wink. For a while I thought of trying to fight fire with fire and spam everyone with different cliches, but decided down that way madness lies. Then, as luck would have it, I saw your post.
Alas, perhaps this is just much ado about nothing. Or maybe it's a wild goose chase and we'll never be rid of them. Oh woe is me if that's the case.
(Posted at 4am because I'm a night owl.)0 -
Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »I know. I wish we could kill all overused cliches in one fell swoop. It is such a sorry sight how some people use them to their heart's content. They don't realize they are a laughing stock. It's become so widespread the board is beginning to look like a fool's paradise. Sometimes the memes are so obtuse it's Greek to me. I wish we could take all these people who abuse cliches and send them packing.
When a clever phrase is new, it can leave me in stitches. But eventually it becomes too much of a good thing and so overused it sets my teeth on edge to hear it again. By the time a cliche has seen better days, I want it to die out so I can say good riddance.
I would have said something about this sooner, but discretion is the better part of valor so I've been trying to lie low. But I must confess: this has been bugging me so much that I haven't been able to sleep one wink. For a while I thought of trying to fight fire with fire and spam everyone with different cliches, but decided down that way madness lies. Then, as luck would have it, I saw your post.
Alas, perhaps this is just much ado about nothing. Or maybe it's a wild goose chase and we'll never be rid of them. Oh woe is me if that's the case.
(Posted at 4am because I'm a night owl.)
wtf was the point of this?0 -
*sigh* I would've hoped it would've been obvious:wtf was the point of this?
English is full of cliches and memes which have become so commonly used they've become a part of the language. Sometimes even if the phrase makes little or no sense ("wild goose chase"? "in stitches"?). "Fail" used as a noun (short for "failure") I think is going to be one of those, whether we like it or not.0 -
Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »*sigh* I would've hoped it would've been obvious:
English is full of cliches and memes which have become so commonly used they've become a part of the language. Sometimes even if the phrase makes little or no sense ("wild goose chase"? "in stitches"?). "Fail" used as a noun (short for "failure") I think is going to be one of those, whether we like it or not.
It was actually pretty obvious. I got it in the first phrase.0 -
Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »blame world of warcraft. its generated 95% of the idiotic terms you hear to date, that dont make any sense. people claim they hate wow yet use its terminology like its real vocaulary outside of it like its nothing, which is an oxymoron.Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »PEOPLE DO NOT USE 'TOON' OR 'roll' in other MMOs
Umm... exactly how old are you? Uh... we used terms like fail, epic fail, you fail, failure, along with quite a few other terms in the 90's. They didn't just suddenly appear on the internet one day. Geez.
And I assume 'roll' goes back to Arduin/D&D days when you actually had to roll dice to get stats on your character.
The world of MMO didn't start with WoW, MMO games have been online since the 70's. Freaking wanna-be know-it-all. lmaoI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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