Level 90 weapon and Sage / Demon

severan · May 2009

I never ask for help but right now with all these genie fgtry I'm stuck as everything seems to work. As most of you know, I'm a multi-weapon user. Yes lol I can use all 4 weapons all their skills etc. Now I'm 4 levels away from 90 and I need to decide on my main weapon. There's a status calculator http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ on which you can virtually build your character and check the status of it. You can customize the armor weapons skills etc.

Depending on the weapon I'll choose Demon / Sage cultivation.

Now, I've tested my BM using different weapons on this. MY BM is based off DEX and when I say high DEX I mean really high... I can't use a GX with my current status (lol I can hardly use the HH90 heavy set rotfl), I have to re-stat a lot of points for it, so yeah there's where my dilemma began...

The equipment on the character in the SS is a HH90 set with 3 sockets on all the parts and g6 HP stones. Ornaments with critical bonus and evasion % increase. regular level 87 3 * robe with random options and Helmet of the ape (I need items + str mods). All the gears on the character, each and every one of them except the weapon is refined to + 4.

I've hid the status, it's not hard to figure it out imo but I still hid it because I don't want to see copies of me (be it, I fail or not). I did not follow any builds on any of the guides. I did not add points per level, I rather just dumped my status till I capped them to my satisfaction.

Its all self buffed status... no external buffs.
- Level 10 Golden bell
- Level 10 Axe mastery
- Level 10 Sword mastery
- Level 5 Alter magical marrow (un-used atm)

Here is the status with the HH90 gold Blade, Fire Lotus

With HH90 dual swords, Dragon Seeker

With my XS

or Re stat a lot of DEX points into strength, loose over 7% critical hit rate T__T and get a GX

My weapon of choice is dual swords. I hate axes, i just use them for grinding and mass pvp/ tw and to stun with drake bash (then switch to swords for the constant damage rate). I use a spear too when I'm up against venos and for the dooms

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But I can only refine 1 weapon to +7 the rest stay at +3 except my XS which stays at +5 and it's bound already, so give me a heads up on which one to use and WHY do you think it's better than the rest.

Or should i re stat into vit now? I can get around 7.3k HP if i refine my gear to +6. I'll be adding all my points after 90 to vit. my Mdef is pretty good with alter magical, right now I can kill any character around my level easily, even phoenixes and venos, FATALITY... amp+mire+myriad sword.

Lyndura - Lost City · May 2009

A real build is the best you can go with.

Anyways, in case this somehow was meant to be serious (which I really doubt) go with GX and keep Firelotus/Dragon Seekers for your personal use.

severan · May 2009

Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »

A real build is the best you can go with.

Anyways, in case this somehow was meant to be serious (which I really doubt) go with GX and keep Firelotus/Dragon Seekers for your personal use.

This build is as real and original as the sun on a full moon night.

However I'm not serious about the GX (not even Sinnerz, Calvin or CaptainBlood have a GX yet), there's no ****ing way I would sacrifice 5% critical hit rate for a GX while I can reap the same benefits with an XS unless I'm on crack.

I'm down to 2 senarios,
1. Dragon seeker +7 as main weapon and roll sage, sub XS +3 for TWs and mass PVP.

or

2. Firelotus +7 as main weapon and roll demon, sub Evil Eye: Red + 3 for TWs and support & XS +3 for drake bash.

I need to choose because I can't refine everything to +7, I can only afford 1; +7 refine.

p.s. f*** Sinnerz for disowning the sword. Traitor.

XPapewaiox - Lost City · May 2009

My napkin math has you similar average damage between your two builds, but the key is I don't know how often berserk procs. It's way over 5% (again, napkin math has it ~20% ish), which would put the berserk sword way over in average damage, as would give you higher spike dmg for PvP (which, with swords, you would want...)

I would take the zerk sword if you can get it, it's really only inferior in terms of grinding (the 1% crit is negligible, and the evasion isn't that big a deal with your evasion so high already) ... and the only reason it's inferior is the 5% loss of life when zerk procs. With fairly low life (6.5k) you've also minimized the damage from this... zerk all the way.

I'm still not clear on why the weapon choice effects the sage/demon choice... just for the support/grinding aspects of the weapon itself?

sillyfoo · May 2009

Hmm...i'd personally go for the single sword with the beserk 90 but thats just me since ur a sword fan. Im not much of an axe fan myself although they are rather good in mass pvp and tw.

Cpx - Harshlands · May 2009

off topic but do you have any pvp videos with swords?

Nevlik - Heavens Tear · May 2009

one good thing about firelotus blade is the gold mats are so much cheaper, as the blade needs sacred mother's aura, NOT ancient devil souls

severan · May 2009

My napkin math has you similar average damage between your two builds, but the key is I don't know how often berserk procs. It's way over 5% (again, napkin math has it ~20% ish), which would put the berserk sword way over in average damage, as would give you higher spike dmg for PvP (which, with swords, you would want...)

I would take the zerk sword if you can get it, it's really only inferior in terms of grinding (the 1% crit is negligible, and the evasion isn't that big a deal with your evasion so high already) ... and the only reason it's inferior is the 5% loss of life when zerk procs. With fairly low life (6.5k) you've also minimized the damage from this... zerk all the way.

Hmmm Fair enough. word on the street is berserk is 30%. But I don't know I've seen it happen 5/5 times and then 1/5 and 7/10. All that I know is, it procs often and drains my HP >_<.

I'm still not clear on why the weapon choice effects the sage/demon choice... just for the support/grinding aspects of the weapon itself?

Well, the choice of weapon is between "weapon with spike damage" and "weapon with fixed base damage". Sage increases base/weapon damage by an extra 20% and 80% on aeolian blade(both sage and demon weapon mastery will give 70% fyi) So higher the base damage... higher the raise, more the benefits of being sage. While zerk weapons (have low damage by weapon status) mix well with Demon skills, the spike damage benefits from Diamond sutra, dragon bane etc. Takaru says I should roll sage if I'm going to duo a sword and axe. I'm still thinking about it, because demon alter magical marrow saves your butt 10x more than you can give it credit for.

sillyfoo wrote: »

Hmm...i'd personally go for the single sword with the beserk 90 but thats just me since ur a sword fan. Im not much of an axe fan myself although they are rather good in mass pvp and tw.

Axes are good, in fact the best in a group war. but against mages and archers... swords do better (if it's a 1 vs 1) and the skill turning speed is high, for example with an axe, i can stun someone and do a max of 3 skills before the 6sec stun wears off, while with a sword i can do 4 and sometimes 5 before the stun wears off. Swapping weapons is a bit easy if you know how to do it, so none the less i can still chain stun irrespective of the weapon in my hands. I'll take you opinion.

Cpx - Harshlands wrote: »

off topic but do you have any pvp videos with swords?

My video card hates fraps, But I do have some SS of me solo killing lots of players 10 levels higher than me (with a sword). I posted them on the "Take off the BM NERF" thread on the pvp section if you wanna check it out.

Nevlik - Heavens Tear wrote: »

one good thing about firelotus blade is the gold mats are so much cheaper, as the blade needs sacred mother's aura, NOT ancient devil souls

Yes, I bought 2 of those mats for 2.4m that's 1.2m each. Saves a lot of money and man power in farming. Also gives me some left over coins to buy mats for other weapons.

complexx · May 2009

Well, Captain is on vacation and his gold mats are ready. Im next in line sure it will take awhile but GX is pretty much endgame.

you know swords suck, not only because of the weapon path skills but the zerk sword is single handed.

If any thing you should really go Axe / Spear. That's what I want to do at 95 with the zerk spear.

Sage Mastery adds 30% extra dmg while Demon adds 15% btw.

I disagree 100% on archers and mages being easier for sword users.
An axe user with alot of accuracy is best hands down over the other weapon paths except maybe spear in air / ranged pvp.

sage with zerk adds spike / higher base damage.

Kebin - Lost City · May 2009

Based on what you do already it seems like you should just get the firelotus and go demon. You've already set up your own playing style that seems to work quite well, so just stick with it. No need to change what you're doing unless you absolutely want to just to use GX.

Nevlik - Heavens Tear · May 2009

complexx wrote: »

Sage Mastery adds 30% extra dmg while Demon adds 15% btw.

30% of weapon damage, which is about 200-400 extra dmg than demon mastery, and i'd never choose that honestly over 1% crit lol.

Lyndura - Lost City · May 2009

Nevlik - Heavens Tear wrote: »

complexx wrote: »

Sage Mastery adds 30% extra dmg while Demon adds 15% btw.

30% of weapon damage, which is about 200-400 extra dmg than demon mastery, and i'd never choose that honestly over 1% crit lol.

It is 100~400 extra physical attack not damage, and 400 just when the weapon is at +12.

And it is 2% crit...

On topic:

Even when Dragon Seeker has a higher base damage, Firelotus and berserker is much better for PvP, since Berserker has a high chance to activate.

That and Hell Spark is better than Dragon Seeker with Heaven Mastery+Heaven Spark.

Level 90 weapon and Sage / Demon

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