A sulution for the tw problem whitout harmin the controlling factions

maybe the limiting territory is a "dumbass idea" but don't forget that, i gived that idea because i know what is a programmer job, and i know with their liscence they probably can't do everything they want.

Doing what u ask the faction house and everything, is WAY MORE HARDER than just put a limit to the number of territory a guild can hold.

It's just adding a variable and a If{ blabla } with my solution, a good programmer will do it with less than 4 line of code. Your solution will take pages and to change everything.

And if you think it's not a solution, just think to that, big guild wont lose their territory they hold, they'll just wont be able to attack. And even if a big guild pass from 30 territory to 5 for exemple, even if they worked hard for it, i still say that's the better solution. Other way just reset the entire server database and delete every character. If they don't act fast, at the end they'll just own the entire server and the pvp system will be dead.

I think it's better to **** off 200 players from a guild by limiting territory than let them do that and **** off every other player who are much more than that guild.

At the begining of the server, that was the same everywhere i think, like 6-7 guild was on the map and sometime another guild who was not on the map was able to take out a guild. Now on the way that go, noone will be able to do that and that forever on the game, so that PVP system, who can be great, go to death.

I'm open to hear critics against my idea, but don't say dumb idea too fast, think to the job the programmer need to do, and think too that they can't change the entire code like that. My solution is simple, and yes some people will cry at the begining, but if we look for the future, i think that still one of the better solution. And btw a second topic was not necessary lol

Inias, even if you call it stupid, like i said i know ITS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION, but that's the one who can be put fast and easily by programmer. That's why i suggest that.

I'm agree too for the max of war at a same time, that's stupid too... but i'll like you don't just said I'LL MAKE IT CLEAR THATS STUPID BECAUSE I SAID IT IS.

I gived the position why i suggest that, easy for programmer, give a chance to more guild, pvp will be more balanced, and that will give a chance to that game to survive for a longer time with the new mmorpg coming out.

And for the limit, at the moment it's just too late. I don't know on Heavens Tear, but in lost city the biggest guild can easy defend against any guild with only 10 players so even if they got 20 war at a same time.... that won't change many thing. The thing who can give a chance is to reduce their income, so to reduce their number of territory and limit them. Else that will go like in My-En server, 1 guild who own everything. I don't know if you are in one of the strongest guild to said stupid so easy without good argument, but like i said i still think that's the better fast way to balance pvp on PWI.

Like i said before, i try to give a suggestion, i know it's not the best one, i can take critics, but please give good arguments too.

Noelya - Lost City wrote: »

Inias, even if you call it stupid, like i said i know ITS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION, but that's the one who can be put fast and easily by programmer. That's why i suggest that.

I'm agree too for the max of war at a same time, that's stupid too... but i'll like you don't just said I'LL MAKE IT CLEAR THATS STUPID BECAUSE I SAID IT IS.

I gived the position why i suggest that, easy for programmer, give a chance to more guild, pvp will be more balanced, and that will give a chance to that game to survive for a longer time with the new mmorpg coming out.

And for the limit, at the moment it's just too late. I don't know on Heavens Tear, but in lost city the biggest guild can easy defend against any guild with only 10 players so even if they got 20 war at a same time.... that won't change many thing. The thing who can give a chance is to reduce their income, so to reduce their number of territory and limit them. Else that will go like in My-En server, 1 guild who own everything. I don't know if you are in one of the strongest guild to said stupid so easy without good argument, but like i said i still think that's the better fast way to balance pvp on PWI.

Like i said before, i try to give a suggestion, i know it's not the best one, i can take critics, but please give good arguments too.

lol i would say again what i said a few times but i guess you know what i want to say ...

i hope you do see the problems with a map reset? o_O
week 1 = map is empty
week2= alot of colors on map
week 3= big guild is taking back all teritory's
week10?= big guilds have the whole map again (or they make a "xxxx"2 to take teritory's faster)

so what's your plan? >_< reset the map every 10 weeks?

your right it's an easy solution
but an easy solution that's not worth discussing about
it's would f*ck up TW in my opinion

PWI would probably not care about my opinion but about average gamers opinions

Inias - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol i would say again what i said a few times but i guess you know what i want to say ...

i hope you do see the problems with a map reset? o_O
week 1 = map is empty
week2= alot of colors on map
week 3= big guild is taking back all teritory's
week10?= big guilds have the whole map again (or they make a "xxxx"2 to take teritory's faster)

so what's your plan? >_< reset the map every 10 weeks?

your right it's an easy solution
but an easy solution that's not worth discussing about
it's would f*ck up TW in my opinion

PWI would probably not care about my opinion but about average gamers opinions

You are right, the big guild would be back to taking every territory. However, they can only attack once per week, and there are forty-four territories with fifty-two weeks in a year. See where I am going with this? Even if they manage to take all forty-four territories, which they should be allowed to do, they will have two months of reign over them all, and then there is a reset.

However, let's assume that the map at the end of that year is still occupied by a large number of factions (eight for example). The GM's can then say they will delay the reset until they see a need for it. However, they can also say that the guilds must constantly be going to war and at least a few wins each week showing dominating factions so as to avoid an oligarchy by those factions.

And I'm sure that GM's would state that using two guilds in order to take the land even faster would be an abuse like the fake bidding. We have already seen them press this issue at the very beginning of LC's TW. Not sure if it was AxeGang who had the fake bid, but still they enforced it.

Is a map reset perfect? By all means no. It shouldn't have to be reset. But the problem is limiting the amount each faction can own causes the same problem except that they now will get bored easily, causing PWI to lose their player base.

no offense on that again, but you know, we expiremented it on Lost City. 40 players 70+ can't beat 5 player 9x/100 with tower to defend. We get killed in 2 or 3 shot. And take years to kill a lvl 100 when ur in the 7x.

So even if a guild who hold 30 territory have 30 war at the same time, all they need to do is to put 3-4 people per territory on little guild, and put the max of people on the stronger, then when 1 war is over they enter the next one until every war is over.

The disavandtage is already made too on the equipement difference. I don't say you guys don't worked hard to get ur HH90, i know u did alot of run. In normal guild we can run them too, and work hard to get them too.... The only difference, it's our guild don't receive 350M gold per week in income... That make a big difference on upgrading item, you can't deny it. So even if we try, we'll still have a disavandtage.

For the reset of the map, it's not the best solution, because in the end we know the guild will take everything back. That's why i was thinking to a limit, like over 5 or 6 territory you can't attack before you lose one. Like that, 8 or 9 guild minimum will be on the map, and no guild will have 350M gold per week in income.

If you are in a big guild who hold every territory, i know you'll say we made war until 5 AM the morning, etc. But just think the 2M+ income you get per week give you a too big advantage, and in the end, it's the other players, like me, who begin to hate that system and start thinking to go on another game if no change is made...

I like the pvp, i hate killing noob, so i prefer to attack people of my level. But when i see lvl 90+ with armor and weapon full upgraded, i'm not motivate to do the 10 more lvl i need to reach the lvl 90, since i know i won't be able to fight, at the same level, a guy who are in the strongest guild and got income while he was 8x, and come lvl 90 with his full HH90 gemed and upgraded.

That's just really unbalanced, i know people like Inias don't want their guild lose alot of their teritory or to see a map reset, to keep their income and advantage, but in the end it's the other player who like the pvp and can't do balanced pvp who will leave and uninstall the game...

I just remember, and i tell to everyone who don't trust that, to go see on Maylasian English Server, Delphi server or Oracle serve, for both it's the same, look the map, search for a normal member of the guild on the map (you'll see only one guild on it) and look the item of that normal member of that guild. (by normal, i mean no Executor/Marshal/Director/Leader). You'll see them with full gold armor lvl 100, +10 at minimum with minimum lvl 10 gems in their weapon/armor.

After that, can someone really think a player from any other guild, at the same lvl, will be able to fight against that ? I don't know if you can imagine the price of a grade 12 gem, or the price for the orb to upgrade to lvl 12, but that's crazy, a normal player can't do that, even if he sell for 1000$ in zen....

By making this thread, i was hoping for people to understand there is a HUGE pvp problem on that game, and i was hoping from GM an answer, or something to tell us if they plan to do something, or not. I don't ask them to do what i suggest, or what any other player suggest, but just to think to that, and to do something for it, and that before the strongest guild take too much advantage with a 350M income per week....

If at least big guild who hold like 30 territory on 44, like conqueror, could just stop attacking even if they say they don't like that guild, that would be great too... I don't know what they want to prove, everyone know noone can take them out...

Anyway, can we have an answer of a GM or a moderator on that please ? Or this forum is just something they don't read and don't care? I think it's a true problem for the server, and for what i've read, i'm not alone to think that, only the suggestion are not aproved by every players who posted..

I got an idea, how about make the player have the incentive to do exactly what is fun? Now the incentive is on holding the territory, but what is fun is the war. So how about make it that there is very little gain from owning territory but most of the reward is from winning the TW (that is, no war, no reward). That would make people TW for its own sake. Small guild would want to attack big guild because of the reward, even if the big guild own the full map. That also meant that Officer of the region will have to be gone.

vagrant0 wrote: »

How about, instead of a forced reset on a fixed period of time, there is a chance every week, based on which territories have been bid on, that the territories will be attacked by a Wraith army.

The wraith attack would play out similar to rebirth order, where you have wave after wave of mobs. But, the mobs are all level 100+, and elite class led by a boss class ? mob (with wide aoe)I feel a WB may fit here. Waves come every 5-10 mins, from along any of the paths. With 2-3 boss groups per wave, with waves coming constantly. The waves leave the base, and head down each path, and move at rate similar to player runspeed. Players still have to defend the HQ crystal, but without the aid of towers.
For the last possible WB add harpy Wraith?

The rest of the field would be filled with small groups of 8 or 9 level 100+ elites, with a boss mob, either sitting along the path, or in the air.

The enemy base would be setup similar to how it is in territory level 1 fights, except, higher levels, and have to deal with the spawning waves before they leave the base. Waves increase in frequency when the bosses in the base are below 50%. Waves stop when the HQ bosses are dead.*

At last hour, everything which has not yet been killed, or is being currently attacked (including HQ bosses) with start pathing toward defender's HQ.

Success happens when all the boss spawns (in base and placed in the field) are killed (waves don't matter) or if the timer runs down. On success, the faction keeps the territory, and it has a 2weeks before that territory can be attacked by Wraith again. The defenders gain the normal fee for defending.

Failure happens if the defender's HQ stone is brought to 0 (just like a normal TW). If lost, the territory will flip back to NPC control, but and could be claimed by anyone with the standard NPC TW.

Although it would take a significant amount of programming (probably one of their "expansions") The result is something that high level factions could not simply breeze though, if only because of the charm costs. And because every territory which has not been bid/attacked/changed hands after a period of time is open to attacks (every week By level 2 or higher even the wraiths), strong factions, with many territories could be seeing 3-4 of these wraith attacks a week, limiting their ability to defend against others. The idea is not forcing people to lose these lands since a high level guild should be able to defend against it, but instead to create some element which adds a drain to their money, and encourages factions to attack in hopes of being able to split the defenders even more. The difference between a Wraith Attack and a normal player attack is that the wraith attack cannot be done with only a handful of people, and would not be possible within 50-60 mins.

It also discourages the carebear attitude that some factions may have with other strong factions since lower level factions likely wouldn't be able to defend against an attack.
(I feel this should be possible)by creating a faction need to list you faction
If you don't list it you will lose your faction within (X)
amount of time and then once you list (Y) faction name it then goes back to the first part of the "*wraith hoard attack"

It will happen since it won't take too much time to implement, but is an idea that would make it atleast costly to have more than a dozen or so territories and not having people attack.

*ALL Teir classes have a % chance of this "wraith hoard" at a **% of ***50% chance increase based on how long they hold said land.

**% chance for tier1: 0.5 tier2:5% teir3: 10% <===

*** increase is a 0.5 for teir 1 for teir 2: 5% teir 3: 20%

****no listed faction/class/person may have a charecter both on a 1tier 2 tier or 3tier