IronHeart Question

It stacks, always has. People got confused since 2+ IBs will have the icon disappear when the first one fades. People assumed it meant IBs were over.

But IB is only good because it stacks, otherwise we would have needed much more than lvl 29s when doing fb29 when the server had just started.

People on server were i've started my pw experience have tested IH quite a bit. It kinda stacks but not really. If two ticks happen in the same time, it works like only one tick, not doubled, that's why two clerics spamming IH are not as effective as one spamming IH and other spamming wellspring. The same rule works for blue bubble, so to 2 BB work together, they must be set up with short delay so their ticks do not overlap.

In my opinion and to the best of my knowledge...

Ironheart Blessing does stack.

If it didn't, then casting two ironhearts within 15 seconds would be wasteful. But doing so clearly improves survivability, both in duels and when fighting monsters. If a second carrion vultures agros while I'm grinding, throwing on a single ironheart keeps my HP steady, while stacking two makes my HP increase. If the second happens to be a sacrificial assault, I have to stack two to keep my HP steady. If Ironheart didn't stack, I can think of no other explanation for this effect.

Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »

It kinda stacks but not really. If two ticks happen in the same time, it works like only one tick, not doubled, that's why two clerics spamming IH are not as effective as one spamming IH and other spamming wellspring.

Ironheart does have a maximum number of stacks, according to others, which is either four or five. Since it is easy for a single cleric to stack that many, having a second cleric stack more doesn't help, while having a second cleric use wellspring does.

~Del

Plus if it did not stack, it would be impossible for us to do our solo AoEs. That and purify are the only thing that make it work. And stacked IBs in between attacks heals for 1500+ each time for me.

This is very interesting...i think it stacks too but alot of questions have me hanging. So far no calculated results but alot of visual reason as to why it stacks has been said.

Delia - Harshlands wrote: »

Ironheart does have a maximum number of stacks, according to others, which is either four or five. Since it is easy for a single cleric to stack that many, having a second cleric stack more doesn't help, while having a second cleric use wellspring does.

~Del

Ive heard the max was 5. But Im wondering here, is it 5 BECAUSE by the time you cast the 5th ironheart the 1st one has already ended its curing course? I wish i could test this with someone who had about 35% channeling increase since in this case it would be the issue of squeezing in irons in a fixed amount of time to be the 'max'. (so basically 5 is the medium taken)

from 300hp to 2k hp in 2 ticks would be impossible if it didnt stack

This might be kinda questionable since it depends on the lvl and the build of the cleric ><

IH does stack.; just try during a fight when your BM/Beast is taking huge damages.

1 IH, doesnt counter the effect of the damages

The thing we need to find out is, if it doesnt counter the effects of the damages, does it subtract the dmg after the attack at a rate that we can visually see, or does the game calculate it in before we see it.

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Look the point is you cant say it does not stack, cause obviously it does.
How does it stack no one knows for sure.

reaaaalll good back up >_>;;;

One cleric cant add more IH to the process.

And the reason is because...? We are just exploring the possibilities here

But i have experienced that other cleric can add more IH and it will stack on top of my.

Yeah we all seen that. What we are looking for is the "How's"

The only inconsistent part are the ticks and how much does a tick heal, its not always the same for some reason...

The tick itself is pretty much consistant. Could be off by a 100 but try test with a high lvl barb with over 10k HP, youll see the tick is the same size

The thing we need to find out is, if it doesnt counter the effects of the damages, does it subtract the dmg after the attack at a rate that we can visually see, or does the game calculate it in before we see it.[/QUOTE]

From what I've noticed during AoE, it does seem to subtract from damage before it appears to affect your health bar. Again, found this during solo AoE runs. The damage taken from a poison stack would often be more than half my health. But if the regen tick happened during the same time damage is taken, my health charm would not tick. If the heal happened before it after, it would tick the charm.

Charm was only on because of doing the cube earlier just as a note.

Xxfrostxx - Harshlands wrote: »

If it didnt stack ,then all of these months we were reseting our IH over and over again

The problem did not date back that many months. It was introduced with the new patches. This was happening within the last 1-2 months. Before there was never an issue of skills canceling out each other. Even the mdef squad buff would last 1 hr like the skill said. However the patches messed up alot of things. We can only adjust to it accordingly b:surrender.

Mad_Doc - Sanctuary wrote: »

Here is a confirmed Cancel skill. Iron Heart and Stream of rejuvenation will cancel each other out. .

I'm not to certain about this theory. Only because there are times when I run both both of these simultaneously. Take General Warlord, for an example. I was unfortunate enough to be placed in a situation where I could not use Regen Aura and had to heal my tank completely by myself while the other Healer ran back to the fight. Before the fight I had stacked the tank as I usually do with x5 Iron Hearts. When the 2nd cleric went down a final tick of the Regen Aura went off. That put the tank at 95% or so of health. That whole time I was casting Iron Heart and Wellspring in Rotation. After the 2nd Healer went down however, the tank started to take massive damage. Hitting him with Iron Heart and Wellspring simply wasn't keeping him above his HP charm ticker. So I changed strategy and started to cast 1 Iron Heart and followed right after with a Stream and backed it up with a wellspring here and there. I kept that tank alive for the duration of the fight this way. If what you suggesting is true, there would be no way I could have done it because the stream would have hosed my Iron Heart stack and in that fight that tank would have been dead within seconds I'm pretty sure without the already stacked Iron Hearts healing him.

My Iron Heart skill is maxed and Stream is lvl 1 , wellspring is also maxed. Based on my experience thus far I cant see any reason to believe that Iron Heart does cancel Stream. This combo probably does suffer from diminishing returns at some point but like most other questions posted in this thread, we would need GM/Dev assistance and math to figure out most of it. If there was only a way to log the combat, more specifically the heals and durations. Than again I'm not saying that my observation was entirely accurate either, it could have been just luck in this particular scenario , maybe my heals were simply criting , if there is such a thing lol. The above posted method has lead me through some very difficult fights, so something must be working...b:thanks

Any cleric who ever healed a for Crimson eye has seen a tanks hp drop 5k and than jump back up immediately. Sorry, but you are not that good to have one ironheart do all that, lol. It stacks, deal with it! :P

Oh my. I thought it's simple...

Ironheart, and all IH-like spells, do not have any stackability limitations in the sense of... eh... "buff layers". It works as far as healing ticks do not happen at exactly the same time. If they do, only one of ticks will work (i don't know which one, though). This is why two clerics IH stronger than one, three stronger that two but just a little, four or more barely add anything (if all clerics are of same power, of course).

oh WTF???!!!

WHERE TEH QQ??

I just pretty much called every single cleric (yes every single cleric... now please go do something about my statment, sir)... a noob...

Where teh fire??

b:angryb:angryb:angryb:angry

P.S. Double post for double the post count... dam I love breaking the TOS

I would go out and see how many times you can cast it untill you run out of mana.

Delia - Harshlands wrote: »

Er... it doesn't work like that.

You assume that the last ironheart takes the timer of the first ironheart. I see no reason as to why that would be the case, let alone evidence that it is.

I just tested it right now:

I agro'd a mob that damages me for about one heiro tick.
Waited for my health to get to about 60% (so my heiro doesn't tick).
Then I casted ironheart. My HP stabilizes.
Waited for about ten seconds; recast ironheart while the ironheart icon is still on my character.

What happened? My HP increased to maximum (as we all would expect, there are two stacks on it now).

Then the ironheart icon went away. It seems to be based on the 15 seconds off the first ironheart.

I took more damage. But my health continued to restore at a stable rate. The second ironheart continued, although the icon had disappeared.

Stacking ironheart is still the way to go for a single cleric. Each ironheart has its own 15 second timer, and individual ticks between ironhearts stack. How many stack I'm not sure (although as said before, people often say 4 or 5, though I think there might be a possibility it's unlimited for a single cleric).

But if you say there is a limit to how many Ironhearts you could cast, instead of Ironheart taking in a common timer...

That could still be a problem if a stack greater than max is in place.

But I still think the second Ironheart's timer is the same as the first one... I'll test that a bit... Might have different results?