Genies took away the meaning of Sage/Demon

HolyInferno - Sanctuary
HolyInferno - Sanctuary Posts: 767 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Chronicles
there isnt very many things in this game that reward you for a landmark in your gameplay or recognize you for an accomplishment. The only thing that really do something like this was the sage/demon fairies. Now everywhere I look, everybody has a little bug flyign around their heads.

They really accomplished pooping on one of the biggest accomplishments on the game.
Way to go PW.


(as a side note, genie skills are awesome. all those who QQ about it are fail)
(another one, at least we 9x's get 70 free perfect stones a day , yay :P)
Flame on!
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  • Kazue - Heavens Tear
    Kazue - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Yea, that pissed me off a bit. Now its hard to tell other's levels cause everyone got a flying bug. I guess it back to looking at weapons.
  • Vidalaire - Heavens Tear
    Vidalaire - Heavens Tear Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    How do 9x's get 70 free perfect stones a day?
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    I agree...I am still excited about getting to level 89, but the fairy now seems not as exciting as it was before the genies.

    (fyi - I am not against the Genies, I just think they should not have been something that can be out all the time...maybe for battle only would have been better and kept the meaning of the lvl89 accomplishment)
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  • _WillFire_ - Sanctuary
    _WillFire_ - Sanctuary Posts: 563 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    there isnt very many things in this game that reward you for a landmark in your gameplay or recognize you for an accomplishment. The only thing that really do something like this was the sage/demon fairies. Now everywhere I look, everybody has a little bug flyign around their heads.

    They really accomplished pooping on one of the biggest accomplishments on the game.
    Way to go PW.


    (as a side note, genie skills are awesome. all those who QQ about it are fail)
    (another one, at least we 9x's get 70 free perfect stones a day , yay :P)
    Flame on!

    Awww...c'mon Holy. You get TWO bugs flying around you. b:victory

    There are other landmarks as well I think. First TT weapon for example.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    I fully agree with 'fern.

    West arch is now so infested with flying insects you need to walk around with bug spray. What's even worse is that now it is no longer easy to distinguish between a sage and demon. The genie seems to be visible much more often than the fairy which is unfortunate since the type of genie isn't as significant a detail as whether they are sage/demon.


    Imagine if they made a new quest at level 20 to give everyone glowy green weapons. It takes away the significance of hitting 60.

    Really I don't like the prevalence of bugs everyone much at all.
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  • screamoman
    screamoman Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    this is exactly what I thought.

    Getting Sage/Demon is great but Genies did put a **** on it though.

    The only special thing about it now is you get better skills with good bonses, the fairy really doesn't resemble specialness anymore. it's wack IMO.
  • Bagoly_ - Sanctuary
    Bagoly_ - Sanctuary Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Fairies and glowing weapons are just status symbols.

    No offense, but I have to ask: Are you playing for the people who stare at you or playing for fun?
  • Voices - Lost City
    Voices - Lost City Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How do 9x's get 70 free perfect stones a day?

    Anyone want to answer this? I'm also wondering.
  • Livedeath - Heavens Tear
    Livedeath - Heavens Tear Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Obviously people that don't have 89 fairies will say, who cares, enjoy the game, not for looks blah blah and disagree with the OP.
    And people 89+ will feel like the faeries took out something that distinguished their months of hard work.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Fairies and glowing weapons are just status symbols.

    No offense, but I have to ask: Are you playing for the people who stare at you or playing for fun?

    Both! The way you look is a huge part of the game.

    Have you seen the sheer number of **** and sliders you can use to customize the appearance of your character? Almost all armor you wear affects your appearance as does clothes people buy from the boutique. Imagine if there was no customization and everyone looked identical from level 1 - 105, not fun at all.

    Saying appearance is not important in a game that puts so much emphasis on it is ridiculous.
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    I was thinking along these lines myself, and I'm not anywhere near going Demon or Sage yet. It was with awe that the lower levels who encounter a demon/sage player could spot them easily by their fairy. After the inital login of "ooh they have that color, closer look!" Now it's just "Agh another one."

    On the up side, you can now blend into the population and ninja-pwn unsuspecting people because with your level and special skills. And the final stage Demon fairy still owns all.
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  • screamoman
    screamoman Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    What's the motivation to get to 89+?

    Yes, to be stronger and have better skills, but no sense of accomplishment there anymore.

    It's just another level, another culti, and another enchancement for your character. Nothing to show that you've worked hard and to show people. boring..

    Now everyone from level 1 and up have the same things..look the same, whats the fun in that ?
  • Bagoly_ - Sanctuary
    Bagoly_ - Sanctuary Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Livedeath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And people 89+ will feel like the faeries took out something that distinguished their months of hard work.

    I really respect the hard work, but when I will become a sage or a demon, I will be absolutely happy with the awesome lvl11 skills and the 3rd spark. The appearance (fairy) is only a little addition to that.
  • screamoman
    screamoman Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I really respect the hard work, but when I will become a sage or a demon, I will be absolutely happy with the awesome lvl11 skills and the 3rd spark. The appearance (fairy) is only a little addition to that.

    Why couldn't genies just be pets? So many venos and pets it wouldn't have look like uncommon.

    I wouldn't have minded seeing a gold Kowlin tree of protection me running around me.

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  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Now its hard to tell other's levels cause everyone got a flying bug.

    No, it's still easy. Sage/Demon fairies are tiny, genies are 2-3 times bigger. Not hard to figure out at all.
  • Samalia - Sanctuary
    Samalia - Sanctuary Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    woooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww
    i dont think i could be more disgusted than i am right now.

    i think i understand why people call us "carebear" when we come from sanctuary.. who gives a dam about your little fairy!!

    oh look the only other sage/demon who agreed is from sanctuary.. what a surprise
  • Angel - Harshlands
    Angel - Harshlands Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    _WillFire_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Awww...c'mon Holy. You get TWO bugs flying around you. b:victory

    There are other landmarks as well I think. First TT weapon for example.

    actually, if you have a sage or demon, and you "equip" the genie, the sage or demon fairy will go away.
    seriously, they should at least have made it so both fly around you. hitting 89 isn't that appealing anymore
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  • Voices - Lost City
    Voices - Lost City Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    The personal incentive to get to 90 is still the same as it always was (unless you desperately value your social strata), but because of genies the social significance is slightly taken away. The entirety of the meaning of going sage/demon is NOT taken away, but the prestige is.

    89+ will need to adapt to this new feature, perhaps by restructuring their thoughts about faries. For example, there is a positive aspect about genies that contributes to PvP. People will be less likely to run away when they see a genie/fairy, because they blend in well with what everyone else has. This is a negative aspect of the fairy that many people tend to overlook, and one that has not been brought up in discussion before.

    I am only annoyed by genies because it is yet another sparkly glowy feature of the game which is largely unnecessary because the physical presence of genies isn't the important part.

    Now will someone please answer the question about why 90+ get 70 free perfect stones/day?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Voices - Lost City wrote: »
    Now will someone please answer the question about why 90+ get 70 free perfect stones/day?

    At 90+ there is a new daily in heaven's tear of the past.
    Usually it is kill 20+ mobs or if you are unlucky a boss.

    The reward for this quest is 30k xp and 4 tears of heaven
    Tears are required for crafting past armor.

    The bracers / boots are the easiest to craft.
    Something along the lines of 3 tears 7 golden statue 8 luminostone.

    Golden status and luminostone drop by the hundreds in TT 3-1 and are rewarded by the dozens from completing the cube.

    In my bank I have over 1000 golden statues, 1000 luminostone, and 3 tears.
    The tears are then the only limiting resource to making the bracers.

    Bracers can be npc'd for about 20k or decomposed into 70 perfect stones. And there is your source of perfect stones. It's around 50k stamina worth. I wouldnt really call it free at all.
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  • Gregen - Lost City
    Gregen - Lost City Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    So it looks like I'm not the only one who doesn't like the genies. At first I didn't think anything of it. Now I'm walking around and I'm seeing these things everywhere. It's really the stupidest thing I've ever seen in an MMO. If anyone can get one of these, what's the point? It's just something that makes you stronger and may as well be a default figure. If I want to have the same power as everyone else I have to go and get one of these things, and frankly, I don't want to and I don't want one of these things buzzing around my head 24/7. I'm losing large amounts of interest and have already started looking at other MMOs. I don't know if I'm going to quit yet, but there's a pretty good chance I will.
  • Murugan - Lost City
    Murugan - Lost City Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Rainbowvidel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No, it's still easy. Sage/Demon fairies are tiny, genies are 2-3 times bigger. Not hard to figure out at all.

    Genies and fairies interchange, so if you're lvl 89+ and your genie's out, nobody would be able to identify your level based on the fairy.

    Also, the white genie resembles the sage fairy, especially the lvl 100 sage fairy (which is larger).


    I do agree that it's annoying to see all the bugs everywhere, and that it does suck that fairies no longer distinguish high lvls, but you can't say there's no point in reaching 90 anymore either >.>

    I'm definitely looking forward to my sage skills.
  • Murugan - Lost City
    Murugan - Lost City Posts: 138 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Gregen - Lost City wrote: »
    So it looks like I'm not the only one who doesn't like the genies. At first I didn't think anything of it. Now I'm walking around and I'm seeing these things everywhere. It's really the stupidest thing I've ever seen in an MMO. If anyone can get one of these, what's the point? It's just something that makes you stronger and may as well be a default figure. If I want to have the same power as everyone else I have to go and get one of these things, and frankly, I don't want to and I don't want one of these things buzzing around my head 24/7. I'm losing large amounts of interest and have already started looking at other MMOs. I don't know if I'm going to quit yet, but there's a pretty good chance I will.

    That's **** logic. Everyone can get weapons; does that mean weapons should be eliminated? If you want to say that weapons can be upgraded and have different stats, etc etc, genies also have different stats, can be upgraded with gear, and have more attribute points based on luck.
  • Gregen - Lost City
    Gregen - Lost City Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Murugan - Lost City wrote: »
    That's **** logic. Everyone can get weapons; does that mean weapons should be eliminated? If you want to say that weapons can be upgraded and have different stats, etc etc, genies also have different stats, can be upgraded with gear, and have more attribute points based on luck.

    I just don't like seeing these things flying around. It bothers me. I like having a weapon obviously, but these genies just sink my heart. They're annoying and that's enough reason for me to quit. That's just me.
  • Oni_Storm - Sanctuary
    Oni_Storm - Sanctuary Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    What annoys me is not so much the ruining of an acheavement at getting so
    high, though to be honest I have been drooling at the thought of reching
    high enough fo my own Fairy to call my own but now feel some how not o
    excited by the thought :(

    What Annoys me is extra lag of having all these extra animations to lsow the
    game down, they probably give great help in battle but with so many buzzing
    about even using the F-what ever dosen't help in Arch' now, if any thing
    makes lag worse.
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They really accomplished pooping on one of the biggest accomplishments on the game.
    Way to go PW.

    It's not like it's hard to get 89 dude.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    It's not like it's hard to get 89 dude.

    I'm sure even in the most established servers no more than 10% of the server population at any one point is 89+. It's also not hard to get to 60 yet not everyone on the server has a green weapon.
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    It's not like it's hard to get 89 dude.

    MMOs aren't about being hard, they are about being time consuming.
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  • Krel - Heavens Tear
    Krel - Heavens Tear Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    if u notice the sage/demon fairys actually cast light on things..evenr though they dont do anything but represent an accomplishment of lvl..i think i ratehr havea sage/demon than a genie really cause right now the genies are sucking.I lvled mine to max 81 boutto be 82 today and they dont give enough attributes per lvl for these things..energy consumption on most skills are alot..i have 5 skills maxed but one i cant use due to 145 energy points and i have 135 :( its the channel speed,movement speed and attack speed one.I thin kthe debuff and buff skills thse things are better than the attack skills..so far seems to be the only thing workin lol.
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  • RawTalent - Dreamweaver
    RawTalent - Dreamweaver Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    A genie isnt much of a acheivement its not that big of a deal I think the ability to use new skills and able to acess areas you couldnt before is a greater acheivement
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    RawTalent - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A genie isnt much of a acheivement its not that big of a deal I think the ability to use new skills and able to acess areas you couldnt before is a greater acheivement

    please look an dates of last post before necroing threadsb:surrender
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