Indonesian Harpy?

dachs
dachs Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2009 in Off-Topic Discussion
I'm not sure if it's likely, but does anybody know something about Indonesian Mythology?
I bought a figure of a woman with a mermaid's tail and wings at the flea market, but I haven't the slightest idea who she could be.
Can anybody help?
I know there is a goddess who is referred to as the Queen of the South Sea, but they don't mention wings, only the fish tail ...
"Er ist ganz nah. Nun leuchte frisch,
Er ist neugierig wie ein Fisch;" - random quote from Goethe's Faust II.
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  • Reilin - Lost City
    Reilin - Lost City Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    dachs wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's likely, but does anybody know something about Indonesian Mythology?
    I bought a figure of a woman with a mermaid's tail and wings at the flea market, but I haven't the slightest idea who she could be.
    Can anybody help?
    I know there is a goddess who is referred to as the Queen of the South Sea, but they don't mention wings, only the fish tail ...

    hmm, can i look at pics of it?
  • dachs
    dachs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    I fear I'm not able to ... would a close description help, too?

    The head is similar to those of these shadow-play-figures; the arms end in spread golden/brown wings. The upper body is naked, and the fish-tail is of the same colour as the wings.
    It looks as if it is flying, and I think it is made to hang it under your ceiling ... if you look at it from beneath, it has the form of a cross ...
    I'm not sure if it helps you ... But I don't know how to upload pictures. b:surrender
    Oh, and the facial expression is quite neutral.
    "Er ist ganz nah. Nun leuchte frisch,
    Er ist neugierig wie ein Fisch;" - random quote from Goethe's Faust II.
  • Reilin - Lost City
    Reilin - Lost City Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    dachs wrote: »
    I fear I'm not able to ... would a close description help, too?

    The head is similar to those of these shadow-play-figures; the arms end in spread golden/brown wings. The upper body is naked, and the fish-tail is of the same colour as the wings.
    It looks as if it is flying, and I think it is made to hang it under your ceiling ... if you look at it from beneath, it has the form of a cross ...
    I'm not sure if it helps you ... But I don't know how to upload pictures. b:surrender
    Oh, and the facial expression is quite neutral.



    hmm, i grew up in a country quite near to indonesia though but i never heard any mystical mobs like this. but i do know malayan creatures got mermaids, but wings...... hmm, mermaid dont have wings... xD

    but the figure u talked about sounds cool though, but scary, hehe

    anyway, i don think indonesians have mythical creatures that flies

    the mermaid i talked about above is a real thing, it really do exist xD seriously
  • Enina - Heavens Tear
    Enina - Heavens Tear Posts: 263 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    There's always the odds that it's just an "interesting" combination that doesn't have roots in mythology. To my knowledge, there's no actual creature with both wings and a fishtail.

    Possibly, just possibly, it might be a representation of the little mermaid from H.C Anderson's fairytale of the same name. In the original story, she died, and because of her sacrifice, was turned into a angelic spirit so that she could gain a soul. Alternatively, it's a representation of the Siren of greek myth, who is depicted as both a mermaid-creature and a winged humanoid, and the figure you bought is a mix of both.

    Are you sure that it's a fish-tail and not a snake-tail?
  • dachs
    dachs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Hmmm ... I'd call it fish tail. Would that change anything?

    But it's possible that it's just a copy of a greek harpy, or just something more fantasy than myths b:pleased So just: I make a figure, and it has to sell b:laugh

    But thank you nonetheless; I just thought it was possible that something like this has a base in some mythology, and if I don't have the slightest idea, why not ask?

    So ... thanks! b:bye
    "Er ist ganz nah. Nun leuchte frisch,
    Er ist neugierig wie ein Fisch;" - random quote from Goethe's Faust II.
  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Haven't heard of something like that, no. But I'm not versed in all mythologies.

    The greek Siren is typically depicted as having the body and wings of a bird and the head/face of a woman in the old urn paintings. More recent depictions give her more humaoid features, such as torso. Harpy sounds closer to this, but wouldn't have a "fish" tail.

    How detailed is the tail? Is it possible the artist was going for a birdlike lower body and tail and... didn't quite get there?

    Otherwise, it sounds like it's a random fantasy piece. Quite cool, from the sounds of it :) If you're ever able to take a picture, I'd love to see ^x^
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  • dachs
    dachs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    http://img243.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=97891_IMG_1658_122_188lo.JPG

    So ... if I'm not an idiot, this has to work ... b:pleased It's not the best quality, but the other pictures are too big to upload.

    As you see (?) the tail is quite detailed, you can count the scales.
    "Er ist ganz nah. Nun leuchte frisch,
    Er ist neugierig wie ein Fisch;" - random quote from Goethe's Faust II.
  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Very cool. And yes, it is clearly scales on the tail, and feathers coming from her arms. It looks like someone other than the original artist added the feather detail in pencil, though. Before that, the tail scales and feathers would have been more similar.

    Given the arrangement of the ending fins on her tail, I'd say she was intendend more for aerial maneuvering than aquatic. So rather than a winged fish-woman, I'd say she's some kind of feathered dragon-woman.

    It's most likely the personal design of some kind of local artisan, and kudos to him or her for the overall design. I like how it seems somewhat feasible, especially with how they worked the fingers - similar to that of a bat's fingers forming the leading edge of the wing (and the spines, for a bat).

    The design may have evolved originally from a scrimshaw mermaid, but the artist wanted a way to pose the arms differently, and still have them be sturdy. So the wings were added as an inspiration, and the tail adapted to suit the "mermaid's" new flight capabilities. Iunno, just an idea.

    But I think I'll google this...
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  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    There is an outside chance that this could be a tribute to Nyai Roro Kidul, a Javanese goddess of the sea - she was once human, but gained a mermaid form and became a goddess. She is the patron of the people who harvest the bird's nests from the cliffs to turn into an expensive gourmet soup. Could explain the added wings. But her sacred color is green, and the representations of her I've seen usually show her in a green gown. The figure you have here is pink. (Edit: She's the Queen of the South Seas you mentioned in your first post.)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyi_Roro_Kidul

    Wait. I've found it!

    It's something called a Cradle Guardian. There are more like it here, including another winged mermaid:

    http://www.thejademonkey.com/cradleguardians/ladies/

    According to the page below, cradle guardians originated with a Hindu King, he wouldn't trust anyone but his governess with his child, so when she went away on a trip, he had artisans carver her likeness to hang above the cradle, believing his child would be protected that way. It's evolved since then into a practice that uses fanciful creatures.

    http://asianideas.com/drcrgu.html
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  • dachs
    dachs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Thank you very much! Great, now I know what it s ... b:pleased So, it looks great and is something ... uhm, nice. Thanks! b:laugh

    It's interesting though that creatures of a similar shape have opposite associations - the first I thought of was a Harpy, and in fact it is something to "drive out evil spirits".
    "Er ist ganz nah. Nun leuchte frisch,
    Er ist neugierig wie ein Fisch;" - random quote from Goethe's Faust II.
  • Lareish - Harshlands
    Lareish - Harshlands Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    World cultures are interesting that way. In the West, a dragon is a hoarder of gold, killer of flocks, and thief of pretty young women. In the East, it is a bearer of wisdom and prosperity.

    Black cats are unlucky in the US, White cats unlucky elsewhere. It's all about cultural background and perspective ^x^
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  • dachs
    dachs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2009
    Yeah, that's right, the same with numbers.
    It's like little children who don't fear spider because their parents don't scream as they see one ...
    "Er ist ganz nah. Nun leuchte frisch,
    Er ist neugierig wie ein Fisch;" - random quote from Goethe's Faust II.