Question about my BM
Seed - Dreamweaver
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Hello everyone,
I started a Blade BM, my first ever, and I am almost stuck and needed some help.
My build is 5 Str 5 dex per 2 level
Weapon of choice is 1-handed blade / sword
With my build at level 25 right now, I find that...
1. I cannot kill anything without losing around 20% of my Hp, so I need to pot / rest every 4 mobs I kill. Is that normal? If so, grinding like this would be very slow? I am thinking if it is because of my relatively low Str and makes my attack and defense too weak.
2. Even if I get lucky and dodge a few hits, my Hp suffice, but my Mp is empty already after 4-5 mobs. So either way, I'm doomed to pot / rest. Is that normal too? Or am I using too many skills?
I am not sure if I provided enough info to help you help me, but thanks in advance.
I started a Blade BM, my first ever, and I am almost stuck and needed some help.
My build is 5 Str 5 dex per 2 level
Weapon of choice is 1-handed blade / sword
With my build at level 25 right now, I find that...
1. I cannot kill anything without losing around 20% of my Hp, so I need to pot / rest every 4 mobs I kill. Is that normal? If so, grinding like this would be very slow? I am thinking if it is because of my relatively low Str and makes my attack and defense too weak.
2. Even if I get lucky and dodge a few hits, my Hp suffice, but my Mp is empty already after 4-5 mobs. So either way, I'm doomed to pot / rest. Is that normal too? Or am I using too many skills?
I am not sure if I provided enough info to help you help me, but thanks in advance.
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It's normal. I seem to remember my BM through the 20's resting a lot. I would recommend that you stock up on life powder. It makes mob killin much easier. You will most likely notice an improvement when you get up to the late 30's and early 40's. When you have diamond sutra, have your bell leveled and have your marrows on hand, It gets better.
That, and, in general, Bm's do well with adding Vit to your build, we get the second most hp per point (15) only behind barbs(17) And your HP level directly affects your Diamond sutra, since your initial regen for sutra is 20% of your max HP.
Good luckDon't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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Seed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hello everyone,
I started a Blade BM, my first ever, and I am almost stuck and needed some help.
My build is 5 Str 5 dex per 2 level
Weapon of choice is 1-handed blade / sword
With my build at level 25 right now, I find that...
1. I cannot kill anything without losing around 20% of my Hp, so I need to pot / rest every 4 mobs I kill. Is that normal? If so, grinding like this would be very slow? I am thinking if it is because of my relatively low Str and makes my attack and defense too weak.
2. Even if I get lucky and dodge a few hits, my Hp suffice, but my Mp is empty already after 4-5 mobs. So either way, I'm doomed to pot / rest. Is that normal too? Or am I using too many skills?
I am not sure if I provided enough info to help you help me, but thanks in advance.
Well, according to Lyndura's guide (8x bm) Blade/Sword bm's build is 5 str, 3 dex, and 2 vit per 2 lvl, so you might wanna change your build. And about ur mp runs out quickly, 1 mana pot for ur lvl should recover about 80% of it.0 -
Why should I change my build because there is a guide somewhere that says 5 str 3 dex 2 vit is the uber bestest way to go?0
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Nothing wrong per se. But you will die till your equip starts to make up for the lost hp. And yes it's normal to rest a lot at your level. By the way... low hp=dead to magic that doesn't miss.0
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That's where I have my problem.
I was killing those fire-blowing widgets at the Mine west of Archosaur for quests and 4 of those burn all my Hp.
Now I see your point of having more Hp, but would the Pdef > Mdef transfer spell help? At my level, maybe not a whole lot, but if I can use that spell to get Mdef to get away with investing in Vit, I'd probably do that.
I really want to see how 5 Str 5 Dex will work out...
Unless, of course, people know that it's doomed to fail then I won't be a stubborn idiot b:chuckle0 -
Your not doomed to fail but you have to be ready for what your experiencing now. Your Alter Marrow will help, But it lasts 30 seconds, so you may look to try to stun a magic mob up front, hit once or twice then use alter marrow to protect from the Magical hit that will be coming.
I guess My only question then would be why not a 6str 4dex build, then you can use any weapon tree to its fullest?Don't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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5 STR and 5 DEX works at level 99+.
Before that it is b:shutup
EDIT: To use all the weapons, one needs to use 3 STR and 2 DEX every level.0 -
Bashusilly - Heavens Tear wrote: »Your not doomed to fail but you have to be ready for what your experiencing now. Your Alter Marrow will help, But it lasts 30 seconds, so you may look to try to stun a magic mob up front, hit once or twice then use alter marrow to protect from the Magical hit that will be coming.
I guess My only question then would be why not a 6str 4dex build, then you can use any weapon tree to its fullest?
Well I know from Day 1 I wanted a single-handed crit-blader, so I figured I needed a minimum of 5 Str / 2 level to wear the latest HA, and all that is left will go to Dex so every 8 level I will get 1% Crit. If I do 3 Str 2 Dex I will have more Str than I need and too not being able to reach optimal crit%.
That's all I thought about and didn't have a doubt about this build until level 25 b:victory
But now, I honestly want to get more information before I carry it on and hoping I could get some help from you guys b:laugh0 -
What do you want to be?
Just PvE? Will you PvP? TW?0 -
The level 20's are hard for a BM (I'm also a sword user). 30's were easier. 40's are going very well. You're going to have some challenges with low Vit, but you'll be dishing out great damage since your high Dex means you'll never miss!
If you want to stick with your build and get through the icky 2x levels, use squads. Most of your exp will come from completing the quests, not the mobs themselves.
Later, your skills will help you survive a lot better so you won't have to rest as much.0 -
Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »What do you want to be?
Just PvE? Will you PvP? TW?
TW is something I will get into eventually. I don't PvP / Duel a lot, almost never.0 -
A low Vit Hi Dex build is not crazy at all. Granery has a build that is prolly close to what your doing. I believe he went as far as to restat to 3vit.
But, really, PvP and Tw may be tough for you cause Low Hp, and a nuke from a Wizzy = dead
With the high dex you may even wanna consider carrying a Bow to be able to pull mobs to you, it will keep you from running into groups. The Low Vit, and Sword combo is not going to give you much in the way of multiple mob defense. You may also want to look at other skills like shadowless kick in the fist tree. With your dex you can even carry fists.Don't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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Bashusilly - Heavens Tear wrote: »
The Low Vit, and Sword combo is not going to give you much in the way of multiple mob defense.
Well, as a sword BM myself, I can tell you that you can ignore multiple mobs problem. So far, I havent had a problem with that cause I would go after mobs that are alone and make sure no other mobs would back stab you. For example, a range mob would run away. So try to estimate their distance from the next mob and try to get the mob away from the group. Like the mob is at north and the mob you want to attack is in the middle. So you go to the north of the middle mob and hit it. The mob you are hitting is range and would run south away from the north mob which then you can attk without any worries of backstab and attack one on one. Well, most range mob runs 2 times before they stop which so far all the range mob I have seen done that so just chase them. They would hit you run and then stop and after 2 times, they stop altogether and their dmg is halved which is good for you. So no worries about ,multiple mobs. Find a way to do one on one.0 -
Thank you for all the tips so far.
I am not carrying a bow at the moment and mostly doing what Averian suggested.
I think that is working for me so far.
As far as the low vit combining + low Mdef is concerned, would a LA with alot of Pdef shards solve the problem?
Not that I need to worry about TW / Magical mobs yet, but that's something I already gave a little thought about and was my intended solution...0 -
Seed - Dreamweaver wrote: »Thank you for all the tips so far.
I am not carrying a bow at the moment and mostly doing what Averian suggested.
I think that is working for me so far.
As far as the low vit combining + low Mdef is concerned, would a LA with alot of Pdef shards solve the problem?
Not that I need to worry about TW / Magical mobs yet, but that's something I already gave a little thought about and was my intended solution...
No, never use LA.
Anyways, low HP won't be a problem for low levels. But the higher level you get the more it will start to affect you. Unless you plan to solo mobs 1 vs. 1 always, low HP is not a good option. During some bosses you will get 1-shot, during TW you will get 1-shot, you will get 3-4 shot by mobs in some instances.
Pretty much you are giving away one of the main jobs of the Blademaster: Mob controlling; which will make you miss a lot of what the class (and the game) can offer to you.
EDIT: I think a class like Wizard or Archer would suit more what you are looking for.0 -
No no, stick with Heavy Armour, or you'll really die fast! As explained elsewhere, most mobs at our levels are mainly physical. The ones that use magic revert to physical attacks once you're up close and personal.As far as the low vit combining + low Mdef is concerned, would a LA with alot of Pdef shards solve the problem?
Later, you'll get the skill where you can trade Pdef for Mdef.
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Pretty much you are giving away one of the main jobs of the Blademaster: Mob controlling.
I guess for Mob controlling you are referring to Stuns and AoE attacks?
For me, versus a secondary tank / stun-specialist...
What I am aiming at with this BM is more like the role of a rogue in other games.
I want to be sitting beside the Barb when he holds aggro and I will crit a mob to death 1 by 1 around him, or to chase a mob down if anyone pulls aggro and kill it before anyone dies.
A more agile fighter focusing on 1v1 damage, if I may put it this way.0 -
Averian - Lost City wrote: »Well, as a sword BM myself, I can tell you that you can ignore multiple mobs problem. So far, I havent had a problem with that cause I would go after mobs that are alone and make sure no other mobs would back stab you. For example, a range mob would run away. So try to estimate their distance from the next mob and try to get the mob away from the group. Like the mob is at north and the mob you want to attack is in the middle. So you go to the north of the middle mob and hit it. The mob you are hitting is range and would run south away from the north mob which then you can attk without any worries of backstab and attack one on one. Well, most range mob runs 2 times before they stop which so far all the range mob I have seen done that so just chase them. They would hit you run and then stop and after 2 times, they stop altogether and their dmg is halved which is good for you. So no worries about ,multiple mobs. Find a way to do one on one.
Are you a high dex build? cause that is why I suggested it to him. I was a sword BM too, a standard stat build and didnt use a bow because half the time I would miss. Point is he is a high dex build, why not use the weapons that thrive from dex like fists and bows?Don't let my level confuse you. I've done this before.
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I think you're answering you own question. Your build seems to suit your personality and what you want to do. So, although Lyndura is an expert on BM's, you don't have to play your BM the conventional way. So I say, go for it.I want to be sitting beside the Barb when he holds aggro and I will crit a mob to death 1 by 1 around him, or to chase a mob down if anyone pulls aggro and kill it before anyone dies.0 -
Seed - Dreamweaver wrote: »I guess for Mob controlling you are referring to Stuns and AoE attacks?
For me, versus a secondary tank / stun-specialist...
What I am aiming at with this BM is more like the role of a rogue in other games.
I want to be sitting beside the Barb when he holds aggro and I will crit a mob to death 1 by 1 around him, or to chase a mob down if anyone pulls aggro and kill it before anyone dies.
A more agile fighter focusing on 1v1 damage, if I may put it this way.
Then the Archer class would suit you more.
During bosses a Blademaster is expected to Stun the mobs, AoE them and use Heaven's Flame on the boss. And if the boss uses AoE's then you are expected to have high HP so you can survive.
A Blademaster with low HP has no use during instances.
During TW, if you get into a real guild, your only job is to AoE Stun (mob controlling), throw some AoE's here and there and use Heaven's Flame whenever it is possible.
A Blademaster with low HP has no use during Territory War.
During Rebirth order the Blademaster is expected to AoE Stun, damage with AoE's and tank the mobs. You need high HP for that.
A Blademaster with low HP has no use during Rebirth Order.
When a Blademaster is asked to hold the aggro of a mob during instances, at higher levels, mobs hit for 1~3k a hit.
A Blademaster with low HP is not able to hold the aggro (and survive) of normal mobs at higher levels.
During PvP, there is no point to have 28% critical hit chance if you get one-shot by almost everyone.
A Blademaster with low HP has a poor performance during PvP, and is useless in group PvP.0 -
Hmm, archer. Lyndura's argument is pretty convincing. Except I don't like playing an archer, so I can understand why you would want to play a rogue-style ninja.0
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If there is a way to make a HA-blade-archer and still able to be effective...
From what I gathered at the Archer forum, it seems like all they can do is pull aggro, die, then yell at the Cleric. I don't want to do that b:chuckle
I chose BM for this job is because BM is very versatile.
BMs can stun, even sword BM can stun a little.
BMs can heal themselves. Not a good heal, but helps at times. Not sure if Archer can heal themselves.
BMs can take more hits than Archer.
Hopefully (Just what I am hoping for, no info whatsoever as back-up), Crit-BM will have decent damage output to be semi-comparable to rogues in other games...
While I understand Lyndura's comments as a cultured BM and I appreciate that, I guess I will really have to put a lot of thought into this before continuing b:sad0 -
Okay okay... well what lyndura pointed out is true but my friend who is a hybrid build who is axe/sword having 15 vit. The thing is he is a pvp build meaning he owns in pvp. I have seen him Pking and it was a 1 V 3, him against a pure axe BM, a veno and a lower lvl wizard. He was 60 or something like that and the other side was 6x, and 2 5x. well basically he manage to take down the lvl 6x BM 2 times and veno and wizard one time each before he was brought down. However, he suck at PvE. So you have to give up some things to get others. As I said, do it till higher lvls. If you start finding it too hard, then go the normal way cause it is never too late to add vit. Or, alternatively, get lots of hp shards or something. The thing is if you are going more to the Dex build, I suggest the path of the fist. First, it seriously looks cool and they are rare. Second, they have high crit and are useful in PvP if you know how to use them properly. Fist are good if you know how to use them. Although many people hate them cause well they probably feel that you are a threat or something??? But go for it. If you really are going with your build, I would suggest more to the fist build cause they are most useful in that aspect. Fist can cancel spells with practise. See it this way, Axe BMs have low accuracy so they use accuracy pots. You have low health so you use health pots. They need to sacrifice some things to gain others. So you need to do the same thing. Well, what I am saying is that dont think so much and waste your time.
Your current build is doing fine now. The thing is The paths of a BM is dependant on the str and dex more than the vit. So until you are 30, dont add on your weapon skills yet. At 30, decide what you want to be. If you read many guides and find you that you want to change, change at lvl 30. Dont add on your weapon skills yet though. Decide only at 30. When you find that you cannot continue, you can still save your char. Cause str and dex are equal now. And so you just have to add to str and vit and ignore dex for a while. However, remember to cap vit at around 50. Most people in my clan have it at 30++ 40++ while i have it at 50 so is up to you.0 -
Edit: Nvm.0
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Heh. Lyndura has given up on persuading people to go with axe/pole build and giving advice. BTW is lyndura a she or a he?0
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I actually posted: "Don't give advice if you don't know what you are talking about".
Then decided that I should say why what you are saying is wrong, so I was going to post about that, but then I had to go for lunch so changed it to "Nvm", so when I came back I could edit/make a new post.
Anyways:
1.- At 6x one owns at PvP? Really, level 6x is noob PvP.
2.- No, you don't do STR/DEX at high levels. That just works for low/mid levels, but at high levels a BM needs a lot of HP.
3.- No, Fists are not good at all at PvP.
4.- Cancel spells...cool, it takes less than 0.2 seconds to press the button to start casting again.
5.- Weapons DO NOT have to do with Accuracy/Evasion/Critical Hit at all. The build is what defines that, not the weapon.0 -
Averian - Lost City wrote: »Okay okay... well what lyndura pointed out is true but my friend who is a hybrid build who is axe/sword having 15 vit. The thing is he is a pvp build meaning he owns in pvp. I have seen him Pking and it was a 1 V 3, him against a pure axe BM, a veno and a lower lvl wizard. He was 60 or something like that and the other side was 6x, and 2 5x.
Level 60s are just where you start to really PVP. If he was able to kill them that many times, his gear is either extraordinarily good, or more likely, the Axe BM didn't have the chi to stunlock him or simply didn't, for some reason. The wizard and the veno should have eaten him alive while the BM kept him stunned.The thing is if you are going more to the Dex build, I suggest the path of the fist. First, it seriously looks cool and they are rare. Second, they have high crit and are useful in PvP if you know how to use them properly. Fist are good if you know how to use them.
Fists are useless in PVP. There's a reason that I dual-statted to use Axe/Fist, even if it puts my HP in the gutter, and that reason is even with more HP fists won't get you through an opponent's charm unless they're very poorly built. I love fists on bosses; they build chi much faster than axes, which means Dragons gets dropped that much sooner. Fists are also good when I don't feel like draining my charm to AoE grind. In 1v1 PVE, they're extremely economical.
In terms of damage, though, my Calamity axes will outdamage fists even in PVE 1v1.
They're chi-builders, or cheap ways to kill mobs slowly, at least until 9x when Demon skills add quite a bit more utility.See it this way, Axe BMs have low accuracy so they use accuracy pots. You have low health so you use health pots.
Most any melee class wants Misty Forest rings for a reason, regardless of build.Your current build is doing fine now. The thing is The paths of a BM is dependant on the str and dex more than the vit.
Only assuming you can afford the egregious amounts of money necessary to refine and shard your armor with the highest possible HP shards. At 75, my Vit is only 20 (30 with Cala axes), and that's way too low to be effective in PVP at my level. Even if I dodge more hits from melee classes with my increased DEX, Misty Forest rings are right around the corner, and it was never the melee DD I had to worry about in the first place, it was the mages and archers. If you don't plan to PVP, you can skimp on your vit a bit. If you ever want to do mass AoEing/rebirth/higher instances, your HP will be too low and you still won't deal as much damage as Archers/Wiz's/FACs. That stands doubly true for rebirth; the mobs in there hit hard, hard enough to drop you through your charm even if you have BB if you have low base HP.0 -
Appreciate if you can stay in topic
I don't Duel / PvP, almost never. I am saying this for the second time already. Thank you.
HP is important for BM in higher level holds if he wants to play the Secondary Tank / A0E-DD and / or Stun-specialist is what I understood from Lyndura's post.
How shall I put it...
Clerics are expected to heal.
So FACs are bashed everywhere on the forum because they don't fulfill people's expectations.
Some panic and think that's the end of the world.
Some stay true to their build and made a character they love.
Same goes for my BM.
From what I read so far, I know I won't live up to people's expectation of a BM being a Secondary Tank / A0E-DD and / or Stun-specialist, but I may just create a character that I will love to play.
Thanks for all the advice from everyone. If anyone else care to throw a tip or two at me, I'd honestly appreciate that.0 -
Your bm style is kind of problematic.
When you're in an fb bms are pretty much expected to be the mob controller, we are the ones that prevents the group from being wiped if anything happens. No other class can do it better than us because we have the hp to not get killed immediately. Our aoe stun helped too to let our charm cool down.
I'd say max our aoe stun even if you don't see yourself as the second tank or stun specialist. Because:
1. That 6 sec stun should be enough for the barb to gain control of all mobs if he knew what he's doing and if he's still alive.
2. Save the barb some repair fee. The less he get hit the less armor repair he had to pay. <-- you'll understand the horror of repair fee
3. It stops magic channeling. If you ever get mobbed, stun them all and you might have a chance to get away.
4. During the duration of the stun, the tank takes no damage. The clerics can sneak in an attack or two which makes the mob die faster.
Roar of the pride doen't work on bosses but it's a good skill to have.
Your idea can work I think, but you and your squad will need to know what your capable and what you are not.0 -
Seed wrote:Appreciate if you can stay in topic
I don't Duel / PvP, almost never. I am saying this for the second time already. Thank you.Seed wrote:TW is something I will get into eventually. I don't PvP / Duel a lot, almost never.
Factions don't gather around and sing Kumbayah in TWs. I was giving you on-topic information, although my response was more aimed at Averian than you. People start threads, they don't own them.
FACs are only bashed if they can't fulfill their normal duties. I know an FAC that I'd prefer to have with me on just about any instance I do. By the same token, you can make a BM build and own it, and make it all your own while still performing your expected function. But if you start to slack off in the duties expected of BMs, I can only suppose you're willing to bear the brunt of the backlash. You don't need to equip a pair of axes to be a good BM.
Best piece of advice I can give is: learn to love all of a BM's weapons, because eventually there's a time and place for all of them. Barring that, make damn sure you're the best at what you do even if you stick to one weapon.
Or you could just be cheap, lazy, and poor like I am. This latter option suits me better.0
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