Hit rate inaccurate?
Elfaria - Dreamweaver
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Being a Pure Dex build to maximize my accuracy, with usually a 98% hit chance...
It seems im missing more often that archers should?
Today I went to help a friend with a quest since he built his character incorrectly and had trouble with some quests without the FB19 weapon.
I went to attack a monster and I missed 4 times in a row?
Later on, I continued my grinding with aerial monsters. Foxwings.
I've noticed that after I miss 1 time, I miss at least another time until I actually hit again.
During my level 50s, I bought a level 52 bow with +72 accuracy and put a nice accuracy + gem inside, with of course, around a 97-98% hit chance.
I regularly miss a lot still.
I like playing DPS but with my hit rate, my DPS seriously won't be high at all.
So many people in my guild is telling me to roll Mage. b:surrender
Is there something that I didn't get? Im talking about regular attacks, no skills but I still do miss my frost arrow and aim low quite a bit.
It seems im missing more often that archers should?
Today I went to help a friend with a quest since he built his character incorrectly and had trouble with some quests without the FB19 weapon.
I went to attack a monster and I missed 4 times in a row?
Later on, I continued my grinding with aerial monsters. Foxwings.
I've noticed that after I miss 1 time, I miss at least another time until I actually hit again.
During my level 50s, I bought a level 52 bow with +72 accuracy and put a nice accuracy + gem inside, with of course, around a 97-98% hit chance.
I regularly miss a lot still.
I like playing DPS but with my hit rate, my DPS seriously won't be high at all.
So many people in my guild is telling me to roll Mage. b:surrender
Is there something that I didn't get? Im talking about regular attacks, no skills but I still do miss my frost arrow and aim low quite a bit.
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I feel you. Most i ever got was 3 times in a row. We could just be getting RNG screwed.. But those misses really **** me over. I once had deadly shot miss 3 attempts in a row -_-;Navarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0
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OK guys DONT feel like u missed something-I'm pure dex as well and my accuracy is in the 2300=somethings and when WE miss WE miss like 3-4 times n a row. I HAVE NO IDEA why we miss N A ROW but we do xD best thing i can try and tell you is to bite the bullet and try and equip at least 1 neck or belt that has accuracy +40 and higher-i got lucky once and found a neck that was accuracy +44 +44 but being pure dex and snooty-i sold it xD shouldn't have but i did-so like i said-sometimes its best to swallow our pride and buy something with a little accuracy attached (not a sharded weapon tho-always go garnet with weps) and save ourselves the pain when we miss that aim low or knockback we needed so bad....OR if ur LOADED WITH $ i think that somehow u can make arrows with +accuracy???? i know u can make them + crit but for some strange reason i remember seeing +acc arrows n west arch for sale (at a ridiculous price) lol0
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Well....no one is perfect...b:shutup0
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Even God miss alot....b:surrender0
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actually my build is pure and accurate is 4980. when hit the monster one level above still miss three times,..
i thinks it just effect to PVP or PVE not included the monster b:laughb:laughb:laugh0 -
im wondering how in the world can you possibly miss on barrage...it doesnt even make sense.0
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sure, i'm really agree for that but the fact is like that.
only the Perfect world developer can answer that Question b:surrenderb:surrenderb:surrender0 -
I also miss 4x too often on 98% monsters. Sometimes on a batch of 40 monsters, I will miss four times on several different monsters. And, I have also missed four times in a row, last week (but I do not remember my hit chance there).
All of this makes me suspect we have some hidden modifier on our hit chance. Something I am doing, or something about when I was fighting, or ... whatever... was probably hurting my hit chance. This could have been just their random number generator, but I have seen periods of lots of misses, on various occasions, so I am sticking with my "something hidden was happening" theory.0 -
The peak of the miss chance i got one time is 3 miss in a row and another 2 miss in the next 3 shots. So i got 5 miss out of 6 shots. And i come and ask you good people this : how is this possible, or how does hit rate calculates?
I have a 98% hit chance ---> so a 2% miss chance. With 2% miss, i missed 5/6 shots.
With my critical at 14% I have never got 3 crits in a row. Pointless to say that i have never got to crit 5 out of 6 shots, although the chance is waaay better for this to happen!
So how are this rates being calculated? Any serious input on this matter?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
The thing you all have to remember about statistical averages is that, well, they're averages. Having a 98% accuracy doesn't mean you will reliably hit on 98 out of every 100 attacks. It means that, for each individual attack, you have a 98% chance to hit.
Yes, I have an archer, and yes I also noticed all those annoying misses, and yes I questioned the math. Then, when grinding on a single air mob (consistent accuracy), I started actually counting. Out of over 10K attacks, I hit about 98% of the time, and I missed about 2% of the time. I also got criticals about the right number of times.
The reason the odds seem off is because the misses stick in your mind. They hurt, so they are more significant than the average hit that is just like a million others. The repeated misses stick even more because they hurt even more. Basically, the more uncommon and more harmful an event is, the more it is noticed, and thus the more common it seems.
And yes, I have gotten 3 crits in a row, and yes, I have critted 5 out of 6 shots. And no, those didn't stick that well because they're still much more common than equivalently missing.0 -
Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »The thing you all have to remember about statistical averages is that, well, they're averages. Having a 98% accuracy doesn't mean you will reliably hit on 98 out of every 100 attacks. It means that, for each individual attack, you have a 98% chance to hit.
Going by that logic, the chances of missing twice in a row is 0.04%. And the chances of missing three times in a row is 0.0008%. No real defense there, and it looks even worse that way. I wouldn't bet on those odds for 5000 GBP with the lottery, but I would bet on them with my archer.
I've noticed I tend to miss on opportune times. Say Knockback/Frost Arrow/Mob with low HP/Sac Assault mob getting close. I don't know why that is. Perhaps it is actually implemented to create a thrill and more of a gaming challenge, I don't know. I tend to miss on those occasions much more frequently than regular attacks.
The misses don't just "stick in my mind". I'd consider that a little rude, because I do pay attention. Specifically when questing on 50/55 mobs, I tend to miss once, sometimes twice per mob, taking 8-10 hits to kill with Sinister Shooter.
I can't see the benefit of showing incorrect hit rates, but it seems more like 90 rather than 98%, so I'd long for someone to test them in detail and post their results. If they are remotely close to what it originally states, I will do the same.
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Infact, I don't even think the dodge rate is accurate. The eldergoth sharpshooters had missed me almost 3 out of 5 times when I was doing solo quests there. My evasion chance said 24% if I remember correctly, so maybe if you flip that and get 76% you'd get close lol. They missed me so much so early; I didn't bother much with pots or Winged Shell, so they were first choice for my solo quest.0 -
This a very elegant and comforting explanation (which partially satisfies me ^_^) !
Still i am a bit skeptical that that this psychological explanation proves all the probability of miss/crit! And I say this because it might some calculations that we haven't considered yet. Dunno![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
An archers crit rate is accurate but the miss rate definitly isn't. I don't really know about the dodge rate since i rarely fight any mobs that attack me physical but the my accuracy definitly doesn't work correctly.
I've started to count the all my crits, successful and missed attack on non-boss mobs while (non-party) grindig 8 days ago and my interim result is that i missed out of 23306 attacks 1790 times and got 4123 crits.
My crit rate is supposed to be 19% and the fact that i've got 4123 crits out of 21516 successful hits (19.1625%) proves that the crit rate works perfectly.
But now, even if we assume that the shown 98% is a rounded up 97.5% and we would have a miss rate of 2.5%, the 7.68% (1790 misses out of 23306 attacks) differs just too much from the 2.5%.
I think that your accuracy simply doesn't work in PvE and the rate is actually fixed, so that physical attack classes with low accuracy like barbs don't suffer too much while archers don't even recognice this penelity.0 -
Don't mobs have Evasion just like us? If I were shooting at a stationary target and my ACC was 99% that's one thing but if my target has an EVA of 25% how does that skew the results? I just suck up the misses and move on."Lead me, follow me but get out of my way!"0
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Cufaen - Sanctuary wrote: »Don't mobs have Evasion just like us? If I were shooting at a stationary target and my ACC was 99% that's one thing but if my target has an EVA of 25% how does that skew the results? I just suck up the misses and move on.
b:question A possible variable that may be taken into account. I have been thinking on this one too sometimes![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ya i have noticed this i ewven picked up a nect with some acc on it even if i have a 98% it wil lstill missn sprees i think the game devs wer just lazy and dont generate random samples often eneugf for us to only miss once0
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My archer is level 45 and misses alot as a pure dex build, it seems to miss alot at the maximum distance where the damage is the highest then hit all the time when they are right close to me, for all that dex and accuracy its annoying0
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I can kinda understand missing a very powerful shot. I mean, the harder you pull, the less accurate the shot becomes. (real life experience)Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »I feel you. Most i ever got was 3 times in a row. We could just be getting RNG screwed.. But those misses really **** me over. I once had deadly shot miss 3 attempts in a row -_-;
I tend to miss Deadly shot a lot. I missed so much that I barely use it anymore.
Haha well that is quite helpful. I sharded my TT weapon with attack+, my armor with Health+. I made a lot of accuracy+ material for my belts and cape.Xmercuryx - Sanctuary wrote: »OK guys DONT feel like u missed something-I'm pure dex as well and my accuracy is in the 2300=somethings and when WE miss WE miss like 3-4 times n a row. I HAVE NO IDEA why we miss N A ROW but we do xD best thing i can try and tell you is to bite the bullet and try and equip at least 1 neck or belt that has accuracy +40 and higher-i got lucky once and found a neck that was accuracy +44 +44 but being pure dex and snooty-i sold it xD shouldn't have but i did-so like i said-sometimes its best to swallow our pride and buy something with a little accuracy attached (not a sharded weapon tho-always go garnet with weps) and save ourselves the pain when we miss that aim low or knockback we needed so bad....OR if ur LOADED WITH $ i think that somehow u can make arrows with +accuracy???? i know u can make them + crit but for some strange reason i remember seeing +acc arrows n west arch for sale (at a ridiculous price) lol
I still miss quite often but im not getting those 4x misses now. I got a few 3x from grinding from level 66-67 on minions on alucard though. Still 98% hit chance.
The % arrows are just too expensive and is best for bosses. :P
Seriously.mbrunestud wrote: »im wondering how in the world can you possibly miss on barrage...it doesnt even make sense.
That's just odd.
I don't know what to say.0 -
Yes, i'll be waiting for a GM to clarify this. b:surrendersure, i'm really agree for that but the fact is like that.
only the Perfect world developer can answer that Question b:surrenderb:surrenderb:surrender
Hmm.Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »I also miss 4x too often on 98% monsters. Sometimes on a batch of 40 monsters, I will miss four times on several different monsters. And, I have also missed four times in a row, last week (but I do not remember my hit chance there).
All of this makes me suspect we have some hidden modifier on our hit chance. Something I am doing, or something about when I was fighting, or ... whatever... was probably hurting my hit chance. This could have been just their random number generator, but I have seen periods of lots of misses, on various occasions, so I am sticking with my "something hidden was happening" theory.
I'll stick to that theory aswell for the time being.
Im glad im not the only one missing 4 times in a row. No offence.
How you put that... made me very confused but it made a lot of sense.Lunnark - Sanctuary wrote: »The peak of the miss chance i got one time is 3 miss in a row and another 2 miss in the next 3 shots. So i got 5 miss out of 6 shots. And i come and ask you good people this : how is this possible, or how does hit rate calculates?
I have a 98% hit chance ---> so a 2% miss chance. With 2% miss, i missed 5/6 shots.
With my critical at 14% I have never got 3 crits in a row. Pointless to say that i have never got to crit 5 out of 6 shots, although the chance is waaay better for this to happen!
So how are this rates being calculated? Any serious input on this matter?
A 2% chance to miss yet I have a 16-17% chance to crit?
The most I ever crit in a row is maybe around 3.
Just recently I missed frost arrow - regular - hit regular - missed knockback - missed regular - missed regular - turned on winged protection - flew away.
This was on a magic attack level 67 water hydrolace. I also had my 98% hit chance there.0 -
Just recently I missed frost arrow - regular - hit regular - missed knockback - missed regular - missed regular - turned on winged protection - flew away.
I've lost count on how many times i've done that. Missing first two hits is my cue to run away to avoid needless damage xDNavarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0 -
Yeah, I think something is wrong here.Kusider - Heavens Tear wrote: »Going by that logic, the chances of missing twice in a row is 0.04%. And the chances of missing three times in a row is 0.0008%. No real defense there, and it looks even worse that way. I wouldn't bet on those odds for 5000 GBP with the lottery, but I would bet on them with my archer.
I've noticed I tend to miss on opportune times. Say Knockback/Frost Arrow/Mob with low HP/Sac Assault mob getting close. I don't know why that is. Perhaps it is actually implemented to create a thrill and more of a gaming challenge, I don't know. I tend to miss on those occasions much more frequently than regular attacks.
The misses don't just "stick in my mind". I'd consider that a little rude, because I do pay attention. Specifically when questing on 50/55 mobs, I tend to miss once, sometimes twice per mob, taking 8-10 hits to kill with Sinister Shooter.
I can't see the benefit of showing incorrect hit rates, but it seems more like 90 rather than 98%, so I'd long for someone to test them in detail and post their results. If they are remotely close to what it originally states, I will do the same.
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Infact, I don't even think the dodge rate is accurate. The eldergoth sharpshooters had missed me almost 3 out of 5 times when I was doing solo quests there. My evasion chance said 24% if I remember correctly, so maybe if you flip that and get 76% you'd get close lol. They missed me so much so early; I didn't bother much with pots or Winged Shell, so they were first choice for my solo quest.
Now to the evasion rate.
I remember grinding on those guys for leather.
My average evasion chance is usually 24% aswell yet im I was usually dodging their attacks.
Right now im just thinking the numbers they put on the mobs info window is just incorrect.0 -
Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »I've lost count on how many times i've done that. Missing first two hits is my cue to run away to avoid needless damage xD
Haha!
I usually run away with winged protection when I pull 3 or more mobs, or when I miss my first 3 attacks (including frost arrow) or knockback and the regular shot afterwards.0 -
Crit rate surely is working fine, im very glad about my crit rate.Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »An archers crit rate is accurate but the miss rate definitly isn't. I don't really know about the dodge rate since i rarely fight any mobs that attack me physical but the my accuracy definitly doesn't work correctly.
I've started to count the all my crits, successful and missed attack on non-boss mobs while (non-party) grindig 8 days ago and my interim result is that i missed out of 23306 attacks 1790 times and got 4123 crits.
My crit rate is supposed to be 19% and the fact that i've got 4123 crits out of 21516 successful hits (19.1625%) proves that the crit rate works perfectly.
But now, even if we assume that the shown 98% is a rounded up 97.5% and we would have a miss rate of 2.5%, the 7.68% (1790 misses out of 23306 attacks) differs just too much from the 2.5%.
I think that your accuracy simply doesn't work in PvE and the rate is actually fixed, so that physical attack classes with low accuracy like barbs don't suffer too much while archers don't even recognice this penelity.
I would like to try counting my attacks aswell to prove this but I just don't have the patience to. b:surrender
Thanks for posting that up. Clearly shows our hit rate % isn't the number its suppose to be and maybe is around 5% lower than it shows.0 -
Cufaen - Sanctuary wrote: »Don't mobs have Evasion just like us? If I were shooting at a stationary target and my ACC was 99% that's one thing but if my target has an EVA of 25% how does that skew the results? I just suck up the misses and move on.
Hmm.
I need clarification on this aswell.
I always thought that our Accuracy + enemies Evasion = our overall Hit %?
My thought was that they system already did the math for that so it'll show our average Hit % including the mobs Evasion.
But that may be incorrect.
Maybe they didn't add the monsters Evasion % to our Hit %?
Hopefully we get an answer for this.0 -
Drmelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »My archer is level 45 and misses alot as a pure dex build, it seems to miss alot at the maximum distance where the damage is the highest then hit all the time when they are right close to me, for all that dex and accuracy its annoying
Ah, its opposite for me. (well during the low level physical mobs)
I've been missing a lot during close range but miss opportunity shots at long distances.
At 60+ the mobs are all(?) magical so our damage is maximized.
Hitting from mid range is like hitting from close range at my lower levels.
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Kusider - Heavens Tear wrote: »Going by that logic, the chances of missing twice in a row is 0.04%. And the chances of missing three times in a row is 0.0008%.
I feel I should agree and disagree with you, and I need some math practice, so...
So... if you average eight shots per monster, you should expect to be missing three times in a row every 15625 monsters (1/ (8 * 0.02 ^ 3)). And, you should be expect to be missing three times out of eight every 576 monsters (1 / ((8 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 4) * 8 * 0.98^5 * 0.02^3))
But when you miss, you take extra shots, so if you were averaging 8 shots per monster and you miss three times, you took 11 shots. I am not sure how to do this math, but I think your chance of this happening should go up slightly. Except, often enough, three misses should have been spread across two monsters... Except maybe 98% was really 97.5%, which changes 576 into 303 when I plug my numbers in to my probability expression. But, still, if I take damage when I miss twice in a row without any criticals, 98% means I miss too often (and frequent low damage rolls can also hurt).
But if I take damage when I miss twice, and if I am fighting a 97.5% monster, I think I should be expecting to miss twice on one monster every 16 or so monsters. And when I miss once without any critical hits and with some low damage rolls, this can also be bad (and this happens way too frequently for my taste).0 -
You can have like 440+ dex and 2 behemoth rings, or even crappy LY, 5k + accuracy and you will still miss all the time. Archers just sucks that way. I have 4.5k accuracy and i can miss a lvl 80 robe 10 times in a row. Thats how fail it is. And god knows how many times Sharpshoot misses 3-5 times in a row on bosses. So yeah if you don't wanna miss all the time, go play a wiz b:cry0
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TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »You can have like 440+ dex and 2 behemoth rings, or even crappy LY, 5k + accuracy and you will still miss all the time. Archers just sucks that way. I have 4.5k accuracy and i can miss a lvl 80 robe 10 times in a row. Thats how fail it is. And god knows how many times Sharpshoot misses 3-5 times in a row on bosses. So yeah if you don't wanna miss all the time, go play a wiz b:cry
Ouch.
Hearing that from a level 99 made a big impact on me.
Even though, I won't give up and hopefully find a solution.
In the end, our hit chance probably won't do any good, i'll still continue playing Archer.
But thanks for giving us the info on you level 90+ are getting.0 -
i get misses too, usually in a row..
sad.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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