The experiment of a new build

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear · April 2009

Hello everyone ! b:pleased

The idea i had came from an archer i met... Here is her build :
5 Vit
5 Str
5 Mag
2xx Dex

During FBs, she often steal my aggro because she hits very very hard and she can take down mobs in not time, way before they can approach her...

So, my idea was : what about doing the same kind of thing with a BM ? Which means, put everything in Str.

In theory, if we put many points in Str, the BM will have a killer defence and a killer physical attack damage... And if he has great defence, he won't need much Vit, would he ?

What are your thoughts about that ? Does it seem possible ? Which, in your opinion, would be the pros and the cons of such build ?

FYI, i'm a dual axes BM with the 6 Str 4 Vit 1 Dex every 2 levels.

b:bye

Seed - Dreamweaver · April 2009

You will miss a lot

I was thinking about the same thing and started a Poleaxe Bm and did 7 Str 3 Dex per 2 level, and I still miss a few...

Imagin doing 8 Str 2 dex...

Or 9 Str 1 dex...

Or just enough dex to hold weapon (in this case Axe / Polarm since they have less dex requirement) and rest into str, you will end up missing alot.

Bashusilly - Heavens Tear · April 2009

Seems to me that the extra STR has less value than DEX. I would say that if you want to do more damage you should be looking for more crit damage, that is really why the archer is doing so much damage. She is prolly crit'ing every two hits.

Seems that if you want a BM to have a high DPS you would be looking at a High Dex Fisty. Wear light armor and hope to god your evasion is high enough for you to actually survive.

Problem with the BM is that we are not specialists, we are not, by nature, hard core DD's, we do decent damage but really the massive DD's are gonna be your Archers and Wizzies.

Just my opinion. I never attempted a pure STR build, my other BM (lvl 68) was a standard 5-3-2 sword build. but anytime I could find gear with a + crit It took priority.

And my current build is a 6-3-1 axe build, which I am going with because I am looking at the possibilities or being stated in a way that allows me to use 3 of the weapon trees without any loss.

Good luck if you go through with it, I would like to know how it works out.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear · April 2009

As was mentioned in your post the archer has high dex. Meaning they will hardly ever miss. Low dex for BM's would be hard to compensate for at lower levels.

This is my analysis of the proposed build.

The damage out put at level 60 with axes is pretty different.

Skeleton axes used

normal axe requirement 6 str - 1140 -2315
Super strength build 1445 - 2935

I can see that a build like this would offer a lot of extra hitting power. At lower levels you would miss so much that the extra damage wouldn't help. My thoughts on this is that this is a end game restat build. Barbs have low dex. And fix this by getting those super awesome rings. And grabbing as much extra dex equipment as possible. If a BM was to restat after getting his/her rings that add 50% more accuracy (level 79?) and shard their weapon with the highest quality accuracy shard preferable two. Then perhaps this would work. And you would hit like a mac truck.

Zhoelle - Sanctuary · April 2009

Interesting thought, but I agree. Without any dex, you will have problems. Granrey's experimental build of 3 Mag & 3 Vit, with the rest in Dex & Str probably dishes out some serious damage. Maybe look at something like that if you want to be a fragile but decent DD.

Jjtc - Sanctuary · April 2009

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hello everyone ! b:pleased

The idea i had came from an archer i met... Here is her build :
5 Vit
5 Str
5 Mag
2xx Dex

During FBs, she often steal my aggro because she hits very very hard and she can take down mobs in not time, way before they can approach her...

So, my idea was : what about doing the same kind of thing with a BM ? Which means, put everything in Str.

In theory, if we put many points in Str, the BM will have a killer defence and a killer physical attack damage... And if he has great defence, he won't need much Vit, would he ?

What are your thoughts about that ? Does it seem possible ? Which, in your opinion, would be the pros and the cons of such build ?

FYI, i'm a dual axes BM with the 6 Str 4 Vit 1 Dex every 2 levels.

b:bye

imposible .she had to have some str to use a wepon at all and have armor to survive any atck

Chaorrow - Lost City · April 2009

Jjtc - Sanctuary wrote: »

imposible .she had to have some str to use a wepon at all and have armor to survive any atck

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hello everyone ! b:pleased

The idea i had came from an archer i met... Here is her build :
5 Vit
5 Str
5 Mag
2xx Dex

During FBs, she often steal my aggro because she hits very very hard and she can take down mobs in not time, way before they can approach her...

So, my idea was : what about doing the same kind of thing with a BM ? Which means, put everything in Str.

b:bye

there is also a difference here the archer wouldnt really need much hp and can attack from afar and hope to crit kill them b4 they get to her but the bm is gonna get hit anyways and with the low hp magic mobs will kill u even faster so i think it may only work for archer or other long range users

Nayiro - Sanctuary · April 2009

It will fail.
What you want to do is 3 mag 3 vit rest into str and min dex for latest fist.

You will own aggro.
But you'll have very low HP.

Alahandra - Harshlands · April 2009

With no vitality and high strength on a BladeMaster you're looking at an axe build. Which means to use GX at 90 you need something like 50 dexterity.

Now you're looking at 3-5 vit? You'll take aggro easy, yes. But then the mob will 2 shot you and you'll look like an idiot. If you want to be a damage dealer I suggest cap 50 vit (Base) and refining gear to +5 at 90. That will give you lots of HP to play with and you'll still have 360 strength, accounting the 50vit/ dex. The problem with your proposed idea is that 100% Str means no hp and no dex, it also means you're using a level 1 weapon. You'll deal almost no damage on higher level monsters and in PvP you'll be a joke, a 4x fist BM will run up and one shot you while you're floating in your late 60's.

As for the archer, archers need 1 str per 2 levels to even use a weapon, so he lied to you. If he's going that route he would be wearing armor half his level and it's not worth the total 150 damage he'd lose in PvE to have it in dex instead of str, atleast if it was in str he'd be wearing armor his own lvl.

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear · April 2009

Thanks for your answers ^^
What i was suggesting was not to take all the points out from Dex which is, as many of you said, essential to do critical hits which provide even more damage. I was suggesting to take the points out of Vit, because if the BM has a high defence, he might not need as much Vit... Of course, as Alahandra said, there would still be a Vit cap because BM are close combat fighters and therefore are always hit during a fight, which is not the case of archers.
This is what i wanted your opinion on : would that be suicide ?
I'm gonna try it on a new character anyway to see how it works, because i'm afraid to experiment this on my main...

Lyndura - Lost City · April 2009

One-shot.

(10 characters.)

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear · April 2009

Here it is, i didn't think of that at first... Here is what this Full-Strenth BM build would look like on a lvl 60 Dual Axes BM :

Level 60
HP 2025
MP 1087

Vit. 5
Mag. 5
Str. 252
Dex. 50

Weapon: ✩Skeleton Axes (lvl 60)
Headgear: ✩Helmet (lvl 51)
Armor: ✩Heavy Plate (lvl 50)
Leggings: ✩Heavy Leggings (lvl 53)
Wristguards: ✩Heavy Wristguards (lvl 54)
Footwear: ✩Heavy Footwear (lvl 56)
Robe: ✩Robe (lvl 57)
Necklace: ✩Protection Necklace (lvl 52)
Belt: ✩Protection Belt (lvl 55)
Ring 1: ✩✩Captain's Badge (lvl 50)
Ring 2: ***

Physical Atk 1493-2916
Magic Atk 45-45
Critical Hit 4%
Attack Rate 0.83 atk/s
Accuracy 500
Evasion 614
Speed 5 m/s

Physical Def 3110

Elemental Res :
Metal 908
Wood 908
Water 908
Fire 908
Earth 908

Thanks to Ecathomb for his marvellous website !

Now compare with my actual build (6 Str, 3 Vit, 1 Dex)

Level : 60
HP 3090
MP 1051

Vit. 78
Mag. 3
Str. 182
Dex. 50

Weapon: ✩Skeleton Axes (lvl 60)
Headgear: ✩Helmet (lvl 51)
Armor: ✩Heavy Plate (lvl 50)
Leggings: ✩Heavy Leggings (lvl 53)
Wristguards: ✩Heavy Wristguards (lvl 54)
Footwear: ✩Heavy Footwear (lvl 56)
Robe: ✩Robe (lvl 57)
Necklace: ✩Protection Necklace (lvl 52)
Belt: ✩Protection Belt (lvl 55)
Ring 1: ✩✩Captain's Badge (lvl 50)
Ring 2: ***

Physical Atk 1233-2408
Magic Atk 44-44
Critical Hit 4%
Attack Rate 0.83 atk/s
Accuracy 500
Evasion 614
Speed 5 m/s
Physical Def 3118

Elemental Res :
Metal 1002
Wood 1002
Water 1002
Fire 1002
Earth 1002

As you can see, my suppositions weren't so false because the FSBM has a lot more Physical Attack than the normal build. Contrary to what i thought, it doesnt provide as much physical defence tho... But the difference is very little compared to the difference between the physical attacks.

If anybody ever wants to use this build, i advise you get an ✩Armor of Barbarian Shaman (lvl 42) to get more Element Res (it gets it up to 1150) to which you can switch when facing elemental/magical mobs.

In the end, the FSBM is not so bad because he can provide high damage without too much difference with the normal build. If you have items like Guardian Charms, you won't feel the difference too much...
Altho, this build does not seem good at soloing past a certain level, but very useful in FB or TT because of his damage rate. Surviving without a cleric can be a hard task....
I got you informed of the result of the experiment, now it's your call ^^

b:victory

Phoenix - Dreamweaver · April 2009

Altho, this build does not seem good at soloing past a certain level, but very useful in FB or TT because of his damage rate. Surviving without a cleric can be a hard task....

Or, if you're concerned about dmg in FBs and TTs, you could just roll a Fist BM. Getting a weapon with Berserker on it will do more for your damage than gimping your character for more STR.

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