+X Attack lvl Question

scridon
scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2009 in General Discussion
I have read somewhere here once that +1 attack level is = to +1% damage or something along those lines. My question is if this is true, does it go only based on the damage your weapon does or your entire amount of damage including all ornaments and so on?


This gem is what is really in question for me:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/5297


If I put one of these for example into my weapon and the statement above is accurate then the amount of damage based solely on the weapons damage isn't even as much as the lvl 10 gem even if the weapon is +12.


This is the weapon I used to base this conclusion off of:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14906

At +12 the amount of damage would be 99.84 compared to 100 damage from lvl 10 gem.


And with the following weapon at +12 you get 130.69 extra damage compared to 100 damage from the lvl 10 gem.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/9341


I would like to hear from somebody who knows for certain what they are talking about for future reference. Thanks.
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  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    +x attack lvel equals an additional x% of the whole damage output (like, if you do usual 5,000 dmg, with +1 attack level you'll do now 5050 dmg), but that only applies if you exceed the targets defense level. The defense level has a reverse effect, where your defense lvl exceed the attackers attack lvl, the damage taken is reduced by the difference in % (i.e. your defense lvl is 1, and attacker had 0 attack lvl, you take 1% less dmg)
  • Literature - Harshlands
    Literature - Harshlands Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    scridon wrote: »
    I have read somewhere here once that +1 attack level is = to +1% damage or something along those lines. My question is if this is true, does it go only based on the damage your weapon does or your entire amount of damage including all ornaments and so on?


    This gem is what is really in question for me:

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/5297


    If I put one of these for example into my weapon and the statement above is accurate then the amount of damage based solely on the weapons damage isn't even as much as the lvl 10 gem even if the weapon is +12.


    This is the weapon I used to base this conclusion off of:

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14906

    At +12 the amount of damage would be 99.84 compared to 100 damage from lvl 10 gem.


    And with the following weapon at +12 you get 130.69 extra damage compared to 100 damage from the lvl 10 gem.

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/9341


    I would like to hear from somebody who knows for certain what they are talking about for future reference. Thanks.

    The fk are you talking about? b:shocked

    You mean Attack Level +x stat thats on warsoul weapons and stuff? Those weapons have attack level +50. So, for example, it's like 50% extra damage for every 1 point you're over the enemies attack level. But good luck getting a weapon like that. ;)
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    The fk are you talking about? b:shocked

    You mean Attack Level +x stat thats on warsoul weapons and stuff? Those weapons have attack level +50. So, for example, it's like 50% extra damage for every 1 point you're over the enemies attack level. But good luck getting a weapon like that. ;)

    Seriously... even I have no idea what da heck your talking about with bad screen shots of Alabaster gems for +Attack level?

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  • scridon
    scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Literature - Harshlands wrote: »
    The fk are you talking about? b:shocked

    You mean Attack Level +x stat thats on warsoul weapons and stuff? Those weapons have attack level +50. So, for example, it's like 50% extra damage for every 1 point you're over the enemies attack level. But good luck getting a weapon like that. ;)

    Don't come into my thread being an **** all the while showing your ignorance.

    If you and the idiot below you would follow the link and understand what the descriptions shows then you might understand WTF I am talk about.




    Aneemah, thank you for the information, much appreciated.b:victory

    Edit: Maybe I was wrong to read what database says as what i had assumed now that i look at the other gems. Either way was still curious to know the over all answer to the question.
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Well... I have no idea why you showed us a crappy gem that increases +Metal Attack...

    And... 2 weapons...

    Your point as to ask us how +Attack level damage was calculated. Frankly, I have no clear idea what it is and I probably won't tell you even if I know lol..

    Anyways, that dude who was your saint, said, it's calculated after all other calculations have been made.... So basically here's the explanation by that dude.

    So... if Final Damage was 1000, it will then calculate Attack Level - Defense Level. Finally, it will display the damage as (Final_Dmg * (100 + Atk - Def)/100). Of course, if Atk = Def then it will just be 1000 damage.

    My question to your arrogant ****. Your pictures have nothing to do with your dam question.... Geeze at least find a more useful picture... Like SCREENSHOT the WARSOUL WEAPON: MYSTO CASTER????!!!. The description in perfect world database doesn't include +50 Attack levels, in case your a blind noob also.

    Yea, way to be a noob dumbass
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  • scridon
    scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zephyrx - Lost City wrote: »
    Well... I have no idea why you showed us a crappy gem that increases +Metal Attack...

    And... 2 weapons...

    Your point as to ask us how +Attack level damage was calculated. Frankly, I have no clear idea what it is and I probably won't tell you even if I know lol..

    Anyways, that dude who was your saint, said, it's calculated after all other calculations have been made.... So basically here's the explanation by that dude.

    So... if Final Damage was 1000, it will then calculate Attack Level - Defense Level. Finally, it will display the damage as (1000 * (100 + Atk - Def)/100). Of course, if Atk = Def then it will just be 1000 damage.

    My question to your arrogant ****. Your pictures have nothing to do with your dam question.... Geeze at least find a more useful picture... Like SCREENSHOT the WARSOUL WEAPON: MYSTO CASTER????!!!. The description in perfect world database doesn't include +50 Attack levels, in case your a blind noob also.

    Yea, way to be a noob dumbass

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  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    scridon wrote: »
    b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle

    Hi, want a cookie?b:bye
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  • Ammerex - Lost City
    Ammerex - Lost City Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I understand what your asking, and trying to say.
    I just don't' know how to answer it. xD
    But it does raise a very good point. If I'm correct, then you wondering if putting in a cheap 7k actually adds more attack to your weapon then spending 100k or more for +x attack levels. Which, if it only gives 1%, would be true.b:shocked

    *waits for someone to come answer her question* b:shutup
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ammerex - Lost City wrote: »
    I understand what your asking, and trying to say.
    I just don't' know how to answer it. xD
    But it does raise a very good point. If I'm correct, then you wondering if putting in a cheap 7k actually adds more attack to your weapon then spending 100k or more for +x attack levels. Which, if it only gives 1%, would be true.b:shocked

    *waits for someone to come answer her question* b:shutup

    Well it does depend on your overall Magic Attack... (or Physical Attack if your not a caster)

    Though I can answer your question, I need to ask you how much does it cost to add 1 Atk level to your weapon compared to the cost of +1 Dragon Orbs (since I assume you won't go on a gambling spree with Mirage Celestones).

    Also I need to know the cost of how much it costs to add 1 Def level to your armor.

    Also the prices of Soulstones (Sapphire/Garnet G8-G12 market price) would also be appreciated if you wish for me to calculate when it is more worthwhile to use gems instead of Dragon Orbs for the same +P atk/P m-atk effect.
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  • scridon
    scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ok look, the link to that gem i posted says on it:

    To a weapon: Metal attack +6
    To armor: Metal resistance +8

    I went and looked in game and it says the same thing. Mind you this is a lvl 11 gem, so +6 to extra metal attack at that lvl is just stupidly low, so i had assumed that it worked more like attack lvl. Now i am confused if this is some sort of typo on the database as well as in game, or if i my assumption is correct. b:surrender
  • Ammerex - Lost City
    Ammerex - Lost City Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zephyrx - Lost City wrote: »
    Well it does depend on your overall Magic Attack... (or Physical Attack if your not a caster)

    Though I can answer your question, I need to ask you how much does it cost to add 1 Atk level to your weapon compared to the cost of +1 Dragon Orbs (since I assume you won't go on a gambling spree with Mirage Celestones).

    Also I need to know the cost of how much it costs to add 1 Def level to your armor.

    Also the prices of Soulstones (Sapphire/Garnet G8-G12 market price) would also be appreciated if you wish for me to calculate when it is more worthwhile to use gems instead of Dragon Orbs for the same +P atk/P m-atk effect.

    For gems, Prices are here

    Shabby - 530
    Rough - 1590
    Blemished - 4770
    Common - 14.310
    Average - 57.240
    Beautiful - 228,960
    Flawless - 915,840
    Immaculate - 4,579,200
    Perfect - 22,896,000
    Incomparable - 114,480,000
    Gem - 686,880,000
    Stone - 4,121,280,000

    The last one adds either +1 attack level or +1 defence level depending on the type of stones used.


    For dragon orbs,
    1 Stars = 50 silver

    2 Stars = 2 Gold

    3 Stars = 6 Gold

    4 Stars = 12 Gold

    5 Stars = 24 Gold

    After 5, you have to craft them.. so...

    6 Stars: 5 star(*2) and 3 star(*1) = 24*2 + 6 = 54 Gold

    7 stars: 6 star(*1), 5 star(*1) and 4 star(*1) = 90 Gold

    8 stars: 7 star(*1), 6 star(*1) and 5 star(*1) = 168 Gold

    9 Stars: 8 star(*1), 7 star(*1) and 6 star(*1) = 262 Gold

    Dragon orb Ocean(10 stars): 9 star(*1), 8 star(*1) and 7 star(*1) = 620 Gold

    Dragon Orb Mirage(11 stars): Dragon orb Ocean(*1), 9 star(*1) and 8 star(*1) = 1050 Gold

    Dragon Orb Flame(12 stars): Dragon Orb Mirage(*1), Dragon orb Ocean(*1)and 9 star(*1) = 1932 Gold

    And with gold prices on LC at about 125-130k right now.. that gets $$$

    Did you need anything else?
    oh.. and I did a bit of copy pasta.. sorry to whoever I stole the information from.b:surrender
  • scridon
    scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ammerex - Lost City wrote: »
    For gems, Prices are here

    Shabby - 530
    Rough - 1590
    Blemished - 4770
    Common - 14.310
    Average - 57.240
    Beautiful - 228,960
    Flawless - 915,840
    Immaculate - 4,579,200
    Perfect - 22,896,000
    Incomparable - 114,480,000
    Gem - 686,880,000
    Stone - 4,121,280,000

    The last one adds either +1 attack level or +1 defence level depending on the type of stones used.


    You are wrong, these are the gems that add +attack and defence lvl.

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/21377

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/21378
  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Don't know how many of you remember the Jolly old Jones Blessing from last year Halloween event, but it caused a MAJOR upheaval on Lost City for it's "Attack Level +30" effect.. b:surrender

    And the gems you might want are these

    Diamond of Dragon && Diamond of Tiger

    P.S. Do not play with elemental gems for attack, unless you are melee character, as they add the element property to non elemental attacks (so melee and ranged physical attacks only (including plume shot and razor feathers from Cleric, and "maybe" blade tempest from wizard)), while leaving the elemental spells (wizard stuff, cleric metal and veno wood) unaffected...
  • Ammerex - Lost City
    Ammerex - Lost City Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Don't know how many of you remember the Jolly old Jones Blessing from last year Halloween event, but it caused a MAJOR upheaval on Lost City for it's "Attack Level +30" effect.. b:surrender

    And the gems you might want are these

    Diamond of Dragon && Diamond of Tiger

    P.S. Do not play with elemental gems for attack, unless you are melee character, as they add the element property to non elemental attacks (so melee and ranged physical attacks only (including plume shot and razor feathers from Cleric, and "maybe" blade tempest from wizard)), while leaving the elemental spells (wizard stuff, cleric metal and veno wood) unaffected...

    xD I remembered and loved that event. It really didn't hurt PvP that much. But it sure did help in PvE. b:dirty

    Yup Yup, I know those gems, I was going to try and get them, till I saw the price tag on them. xD Figured when I heard that I only get +1% attack increase, it wasn't worth it.... Which seems like a silly small number for so much work, that's why I was wondering if there was a misunderstanding.
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ammerex - Lost City wrote: »
    For gems, Prices are here

    Shabby - 530
    Rough - 1590
    Blemished - 4770
    Common - 14.310
    Average - 57.240
    Beautiful - Stone Not accurate

    The last one adds either +1 attack level or +1 defence level depending on the type of stones used.


    For dragon orbs,
    1 Stars = 50 silver

    2 Stars = 2 Gold

    3 Stars = 6 Gold

    4 Stars = 12 Gold

    5 Stars = 24 Gold

    After 5, you have to craft them.. so...

    6 Stars: 5 star(*2) and 3 star(*1) = 24*2 + 6 = 54 Gold

    7 stars: 6 star(*1), 5 star(*1) and 4 star(*1) = 90 Gold

    8 stars: 7 star(*1), 6 star(*1) and 5 star(*1) = 168 Gold

    9 Stars: 8 star(*1), 7 star(*1) and 6 star(*1) = 262 Gold

    Dragon orb Ocean(10 stars): 9 star(*1), 8 star(*1) and 7 star(*1) = 620 Gold

    Dragon Orb Mirage(11 stars): Dragon orb Ocean(*1), 9 star(*1) and 8 star(*1) = 1050 Gold

    Dragon Orb Flame(12 stars): Dragon Orb Mirage(*1), Dragon orb Ocean(*1)and 9 star(*1) = 1932 Gold

    And with gold prices on LC at about 125-130k right now.. that gets $$$

    Did you need anything else?
    oh.. and I did a bit of copy pasta.. sorry to whoever I stole the information from.b:surrender

    The gem prices are not Market Prices, as I seriously doubt Perfect Gems are 22 million coins each when they can be obtained as Boss Drops...

    Wait.. your saying that all lv 12 gems add either +Atk and +Def? I didn't know that? Is it true?
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  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ammerex - Lost City wrote: »
    xD I remembered and loved that event. It really didn't hurt PvP that much. But it sure did help in PvE. b:dirty

    Barbs didn't agree on that when they got rolled by archers with 30% more damage b:laugh
  • scridon
    scridon Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zephyrx - Lost City wrote: »
    The gem prices are not Market Prices, as I seriously doubt Perfect Gems are 22 million coins each when they can be obtained as Boss Drops...

    Wait.. your saying that all lv 12 gems add either +Atk and +Def? I didn't know that? Is it true?

    Perfect Sapphire, Garnet, Citrine, and Amber are all around 5 mil each on Sanctuary.

    And no they don't.
  • Arliana - Dreamweaver
    Arliana - Dreamweaver Posts: 410 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    so... is it better for +200 physical attack or +1 attack lvl?
  • Ammerex - Lost City
    Ammerex - Lost City Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    xD Look at the link Aneemah just put up. The
    Diamond of Dragon && Diamond of Tiger
    Those add +1 defence and +1 attack.
    Made from those gems, yes it does.
  • Ammerex - Lost City
    Ammerex - Lost City Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zephyrx - Lost City wrote: »
    The gem prices are not Market Prices, as I seriously doubt Perfect Gems are 22 million coins each when they can be obtained as Boss Drops...

    Wait.. your saying that all lv 12 gems add either +Atk and +Def? I didn't know that? Is it true?


    No, they aren't market price. That is the price of making them.
    I can't exactly go check the market price on your server very easily, now can I? xD
    The price should be AROUND there. It's better then nothing. xDb:chuckle
  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Arliana - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    so... is it better for +200 physical attack or +1 attack lvl?

    Depends... +200 adds to the pattack + skill damage output, while +1 attack lvl goes as pattack + skill + {(pattack + skill) * 0.01} damage output
  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ammerex - Lost City wrote: »
    xD Look at the link Aneemah just put up. The
    Diamond of Dragon && Diamond of Tiger
    Those add +1 defence and +1 attack.
    Made from those gems, yes it does.

    Shabby Garnet Shard (3) > Rough Garnet Shard (3) > Blemished Garnet Shard (3) > Common Garnet Shard (4) > Average Garnet Shard (4) > Beautiful Garnet Shard (4) > Flawless Garnet Shard (5) > Immaculate Garnet Shard (5) > Perfect Garnet Shard (5) > Incomparable Garnet Shard (6) > Garnet Gem (6) > Drakeflame Stone (6) > Diamond of Tiger (3) > Diamond of Dragon (no more)

    Is the production line, where the number in brackets means the number of gems needed for 1 gem of the next grade...
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    O.o Oh.... I see now lol...

    Well price taken.. lets crunch some numbers.. Oh yea... that data given to me about Dragon Orbs from Ammerex was wrong <.<... So I had to make up my own. Since Dragon Orbs are not 50 Silver each, they are 27 Silver each, provided you buy in bulks of 10
    Ammerex - Lost City wrote: »
    For gems, Prices are here
    Perfect - 5,000,000
    Incomparable - 25,000,000
    Gem - 150,000,000
    Stone - 900,000,000 (900 million coins for a G12 Gem)
    Diamond Tiger - 5,400,000,000 (5.4 billion coins)
    Diamond Dragon - 16,200,000,000 (16.2 Billion coins)
    Gold Price will be set as 125k-135k each

    For dragon orbs*, I will assume by lowest cost. Meaning you buy in bulk of 10 Dragon Orbs (lv 1) for 2 Gold 70 Silver
    1 Star = 1 Star 1x
    27 Silver

    2 Stars = 4*(1 Star) 4x
    1 Gold 8 Silver

    3 Stars = 2*(1 Star) + 2*(2 Star) 10x
    2 Gold 70 Silver

    4 Stars = 1*(1 Star) + 1*(2 Star) + 2*(3 Star) 25x
    6 Gold 75 Silver

    5 Stars = 1*(3 Star) + 2*(4 Star) 60x
    16 Gold 20 Silver

    6 Stars = 1*(3 Star) + 2*(5 Star) 130x
    35 Gold 10 Silver

    7 Stars = 1*(4 Star) + 1*(5 Star) + 1*(6 Star) 215x
    58 Gold 5 Silver

    8 Stars = 5 + 6 + 7 405x
    109 Gold 35 Silver

    9 Stars: = 6 + 7 + 8 750x
    202 Gold 50 Silver

    Dragon orb Ocean(10 stars): 7 + 8 + 9 1370x
    369 Gold 90 Silver

    Dragon Orb Mirage(11 stars): 8 + 9 + 10 2525x
    681 Gold 75 Silver

    Dragon Orb Flame(12 stars): 9 + 10 + 11 4645x
    1254 Gold 15 Silver

    Total Cost to +2 : 1 Gold 35 Silvers
    Total Cost to +3 : 4 Gold 5 Silvers
    Total Cost to +4 : 10 Gold 80 Silvers
    Total Cost to +5 : 27 Gold
    Total Cost to +6 : 62 Gold 10 Silvers
    Total Cost to +7 : 120 Gold 15 Silvers
    Total Cost to +8 : 229 Gold 50 Silvers
    Total Cost to +9 : 432 Gold
    Total Cost to +10 : 801 Gold 90 Silvers
    Total Cost to +11 : 1483 Gold 65 Silvers
    Total Cost to +12 : 2737 Gold 80 Silvers
    The weapon of choice will be Nature Taker.
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12647
    Upgrade +Magical Attack for Nature Taker

    1: +26
    2: +52
    3: +79
    4: +111
    5: +148
    6: +196
    7: +258
    8: +338
    9: +443
    10: +579
    11: +754
    12: +975

    Comparision of Gem Imbue vs Dragon Orbs
    Max of 2 gems per weapon... so I guess it's like this....
    Things in ( ) mean the cost of only 1 Gem. I base this data on the fact that Perfect Gems are the highest gem dropped and Incomparable gems can only be obtained by combining Perfect Gems. Value of Perfect Gem = 5 million for all calculations

    5 Flawless = 1 Perfect 1x
    5 Perfect = 1 Incomparable 5x
    6 Incomparable = 1 Gem 30x
    6 Gem = 1 Stone 180x
    6 Stone = 1 Diamond Tiger 1080x
    3 Diamond Tiger = 1 Diamond Dragon 3240x

    Gem Cost based on damage

    Coin cost = Gold * Gold price in coins
    Cost per damage = Coin cost / Damage

    2 Perfect: (+40) +80 Magical Attack (5 million) 10 million

    2 Incomparable: (+50) +100 Magical Attack (25 million) 50 million

    2 Gem: (+75) +150 Magical Attack (150 million) 300 million

    2 Stone: (+100) +200 Magical Attack (900 million) 1800 million

    2 Diamond Tiger: (+1%) +2% Overall Dmg (5.4 billion coins) 10.8 billion

    2 Diamond Dragon: (+1%) +2% Overall Def (16.2 Billion coins) 32.4 billion


    Dragon Orb formula cost per damage

    Coin cost = Gold * Gold price in coins
    Cost per damage = Coin Cost / Damage
    Gold cost conversion factor = Server Gold Cost / 130k


    For all calculations, I use the fact that 1 Gold = 130k coins for more cases. If your gold price isn't 130k, use the conversion factor (Gold cost in Server/130k)

    If your weapon isn't Nature Taker, that's fine also. Just google the +Upgrade damage of your own equipment and check it out for yourself.

    1: +26 Magic Attack 35.1k coins
    2: +52 Magic Attack 176k coins
    3: +79 Magic Attack 527k coins
    4: +111 Magic Attack 1.4 million coins
    5: +148 Magic Attack 3.5 million coins
    6: +196 Magic Attack 8 million coins
    7: +258 Magic Attack 15.6 million coins
    8: +338 Magic Attack 30 million coins
    9: +443 Magic Attack 56 million coins
    10: +579 Magic Attack 104 million coins
    11: +754 Magic Attack 193 million coins
    12: +975 Magic Attack 356 million coins
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  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    NOTE: THIS BELOW ONLY APPLIES TO THE CASTER WEAPON : NATURE TAKER.

    If you are using another weapon, please just read this and figure out on yourself whether Dragon Orbs or Gemstones are worth more.



    Well, looking at this list, it seems that Dragon Orb upgrades are worth a lot more than Gemstones.

    First of all, Gem (G11+ stones) are pretty much impossible to get as they require so much money it's not even funny. Like... 5 million is a lot of money. and a Diamond Dragon costs... 5.4 billion coins. Oh yea, there's probably not enough gems or money in the entire server to make that rofl!

    Second of all, the only gems worth considering are Perfect(G9) and Incomparable(G10) ones as you can potentially bankrupt yourself to get one of them. 2 Perfect Stones add +80 Attack at the cost of 10 million coins. So that's 125k per 1 damage of Magic Attack. At upgrade of +9, it gives 443 attack at the cost of 56 million coins. that's 126.4k per 1 damage of Magic Attack. So basically you shouldn't waste money to upgrade your weapon (Nature Taker in this example) with 2 Perfect Gems until your weapon is +8 to be the most money efficient.

    Just use like Average or Beautiful Gemstones to save you a ton of money. Besides, the increase of damage of Perfect Gems isn't that great anyhow.

    Incomparable gives 100 Magic Attack at the cost of 50 million. or 500k per 1 damage of Magic Attack. But at +12, Giving a wooping 975 Magic Attack for only 356 million coins. Is still cheaper because it costs 365k per 1 damage of Magic Attack. Basically, you should start thinking about Incomparable gems when you actually finally +12 your weapon to have the highest damage in the cheapest way possible.

    Oh yea... don't even think about G11 or G12 or any higher gems until after you +12 any weapon lol... They are just way too expensive for small little benefits they give right now. Or until G12 stones start dropping from bosses to lower its price... Whatever, I don't give a dam. It's your money, go waste it like noobs for all I care.
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  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Blah finally done... like if anyone gives a dam and wants to give credit to me for burning 3 hrs.. go ahead...

    I want attention!!! come on...b:cry
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  • jemima
    jemima Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    *gives attention*

    You've even got text in different colours!
  • Zephyrx - Lost City
    Zephyrx - Lost City Posts: 1,563 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    jemima wrote: »
    *gives attention*

    You've even got text in different colours!

    Dam... I love you man. Just like that movie
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  • Asila - Lost City
    Asila - Lost City Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    really nice u shopuld make a FAQ or something about it in Help Section maybe it will get stickied
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Very nice work! I love numbers and your post certainly highlights which path is the most efficient cost wise.

    Well for your calculation of marginal cost you are technically missing the install fee on gems and the cost of mirages for upgrading.
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  • jemima
    jemima Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Zephyrx - Lost City wrote: »
    Dam... I love you man. Just like that movie

    What movie?

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