My build and veno weapon after fb19 one

Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
edited April 2009 in Venomancer
Ok first off Im a male veno so dont flame me im trying my best.lol. After fb 19 wot is the best weapon to use and also is there a tt60 weapon which is good for a veno when i get that far.lol
Next my build is 39 vit 129 mag 30 sr and 28 dex is this recoverable im now putting all my points on mage just using enuf str to wield the highest available weapon. i say again plz dont flame me to bad and excuse my typing im a londoner and i type how i talk.lmao

Ps all you venos out there with herc and phoenix feel free to mail me any leftover feathers or Sof.
tyvm in advance i look forward to seeing the results and feel free to whisper me in game with advice tyb:bye
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  • Zhoelle - Sanctuary
    Zhoelle - Sanctuary Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Ok first off Im a male veno so dont flame me im trying my best.lol. After fb 19 wot is the best weapon to use and also is there a tt60 weapon which is good for a veno when i get that far.lol
    Next my build is 39 vit 129 mag 30 sr and 28 dex is this recoverable im now putting all my points on mage just using enuf str to wield the highest available weapon. i say again plz dont flame me to bad and excuse my typing im a londoner and i type how i talk.lmao

    Ps all you venos out there with herc and phoenix feel free to mail me any leftover feathers or Sof.
    tyvm in advance i look forward to seeing the results and feel free to whisper me in game with advice ty
    Firstly, the stats you put into Vitality are not really necessary. You could restat to reduce Vit to 5 or even 3, which would free up a bunch more stat points.

    Second, your build allows you to wear Lvl 24 Light Armour. So, if you're wearing Arcane Armour, the Dex stats are pointless. If this was my veno, I would move the Vit points above into Str & Dex, so that you can go fully Light Armour.

    Third, you're actually playing on a PvE server, so an Arcane Veno is arguably a better choice (and some higher level players will probably argue this too), but my Lvl 40 Veno is LA, and it works fine for the way I play - pet heals aren't as good though, which can be an issue at times.
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    TYVM. That confirms my suspicions really. ANYONE ELSE GOT AN OPINION :)
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    weapon ? b:pleased
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    If you're still using the FB19 weapon, I'd suggest either crafting a level 39 glaive, or buying one off the AH for a reasonable price which you have enough magic/strength to use. If you don't re-stat anything all you have to do for the next 29 levels is put all of your points except for 4 for strength into magic.


    I suggest the glaive because, as a caster, the glaive has a shorter magic damage range than the pataka which has a shorter physical damage range and larger magical damage range meaning it gives you consistently higher spell damage and more erratic physical damage.
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  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    tyvm b:pleased
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    also should i put hp shards in sockets or go 50/50 with phy def ones?
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    The vit he added into his build is fine. A veno without vit has like.. no hp at all and is pretty useless on bosses like soul banisher. I <3 my 4k HP. Id also use HP gems over Pdef ones if you plan on -not- pvping often
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    no pvp is one thing il nvr do.lol
  • swgs
    swgs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    also should i put hp shards in sockets or go 50/50 with phy def ones?

    I only use PDef, but added some points to VIT.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I wouldn't really bother with shards until you're about 50-60. You outgrow your equipment too quickly before then to make sharding worth it. If you use low-cost shards, the benefit isn't really that much. The exception might be legendary (gold) weapons and armor. But even there I've noticed the increase in resale value is less than the cost of the shards. Also, if you're going to shard, the priority should be sharding your weapon since that's used every time you cast a spell. Shards on your armor only matter when you get hit, which as a veno should be rarely.

    But if you insist, I'd say go with p.def shards on arcane armor. Your choice on light. Your 39 vit is already giving you +408 hp over a regular mag or light build, so I don't think extra hp are really necessary unless you restat.

    Also, keep an eye out for a Wheel of Fate. It's a level 43 legendary glaive whose stats are ridiculously better than any crafted item at its level. Its average mag attack is 451 vs. 362 for a 3-star level 44 magic sword. A 3-star level 51 wand is the first crafted/dropped weapon which has base stats which are better (you'd still need to get lucky and get a significant +mag attack bonus). So I'd easily call it a legendary that's 10 levels better than anything else you can get.

    They usually cost 1.5+ million, but I've seen them as low as 1.3 mil. Don't be put off by the price. It's a very popular weapon so when you get your TT60 weapon, you'll easily be able to sell it for as much as you paid for it. Just think of it as putting 1.5 mil into the bank when you're 43, and withdrawing it when you're 60. The discipline you learn in saving up the money for it will help you save for a hercules and phoenix as well.

    Or you can try to get one yourself from FB39 - lacking a tabber doesn't affect the drop rate. It drops from Hercule Trioc, a boss with only magical attacks so having a magic tank pet really helps. I don't think you can solo it until you're 53 though. If you're going to farm FB39, I'd recommend skipping Farren Sereneti. He's in a different section of the dungeon from Calcid of the Flame and Hercule Trioc, and he's got two really nasty AOEs which can easily kill you or your pet. His drops are kinda bleh for a veno too.

    http://www.crystalgalaxie.com/~attitude/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12:fb39-gate-of-delirium&catid=18:dungeon-map&Itemid=14
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    wow tyvm thas wot i was looking for. now i gota find 1.5 mill b:shocked
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    what is a good mage tank pet please
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    what is a good mage tank pet please

    Free: Oddfoot (penguin), Carapest (anteater), Antelope
    Rare: Shadou Cub (1.6 mil), Frogling (300k)
  • Daerys - Sanctuary
    Daerys - Sanctuary Posts: 1,022 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    what is a good mage tank pet please

    Golem works just fine.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Golem works just fine.

    Not at 41 it won't. Even at 53 I had to spam heal my golem to kill Hercule. My cub OTOH I could heal DD heal DD heal DD, etc.
  • Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear
    Nodzzzzz - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    ty all for your help.so in an ideal world if i can only have 3 pets(not including herc and nix) they wud be golem and foxwing which i have and a shadou cub for mage def?
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    weapon ? b:pleased

    I am still using my fb19 one and working fine for me as I rely more on my pet and lvling up my skills.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Succubae - Dreamweaver
    Succubae - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Free: Oddfoot (penguin), Carapest (anteater), Antelope
    Rare: Shadou Cub (1.6 mil), Frogling (300k)

    Actually, the pets with best Mdef and HP at level 41 are in decreasing order :
    Astral Beetle (lvl2), Rhinodrake (lvl 7), Tuskmoor (lvl 8), Carapest (lvl 19), Quinfu (lvl 1), Oddfoot (lvl 4)

    Golems are not that good against magical mobs.

    (I really should post my spreadsheet...)
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Actually, the pets with best Mdef and HP at level 41 are in decreasing order :
    Astral Beetle (lvl2), Rhinodrake (lvl 7), Tuskmoor (lvl 8), Carapest (lvl 19), Quinfu (lvl 1), Oddfoot (lvl 4)
    I assume you converted mdef into damage reduction %, and multiplied hp by that to come up with an "effective hp" figure to make that list? That's the correct calculation if your pet is not going to be healed during the fight, like when grinding.

    Boss fights OTOH require a ton of healing. So the pet's hp becomes less important and the p.def or m.def becomes much more important. When you spam heal, you're replenishing a relatively fixed number of hp per second. The boss is dealing your pet a certain amount of damage per second. To win the fight, your hp healed per second has to exceed the boss' damage per second. The amount of hp your pet has doesn't affect the boss' DPS. But its defense does.

    e.g. Say you can spam heal an average of 1000 hp per second, and a boss is hitting your pet for 1500 hp per second. Your pet has 2000 hp.

    Starting case: 1500 damage per second - 1000 healed per second = net 500 damage per second. So the pet dies in 4 seconds.

    Pet has 4000 hp, same defense: Net damage is still 500 per second, so pet dies in 8 seconds.

    Pet has 2000 hp, but twice the defense: Boss does 750 damage per second - 1000 healed per second = net 250 hp gained per second. Pet can tank the boss indefinitely.

    So for boss fights, you want to look more at the pet's defense than the amount of hp it has. It just needs enough hp for it to take 2, maybe 3 hits that will land between your heals. The hercules is the best demonstration of this. Its hp is nothing spectacular. But its buffs give it a defense score that's 250% that of its base, letting it tank stuff other pets can't even touch.
  • denarr
    denarr Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Are there spreadsheets anywhere that gives the stats of various pets at the same levels?
  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Think this or this can help you out a bit, but I don't think there's a complete list f available pets yet...