Clerics the Cheap Way(mp conservation)

Magicgabe - Lost City
Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
edited April 2009 in Cleric
Clerics are actually not that expensive. There are two areas where most clerics will spend a lot of money: Charms and Skills.

Charms actually aren't needed. I have BB(ed) for HH bosses without charms and for a decent time too. How is it done?
1)Make sure you have 2 spark and full bar of chi.
2)Well you first put on a concentrate orb.
3)put up Blue Bubble
4)get spark transfers from a venomancer every 60 seconds
5)wait for MP to drain to about 500mp(and wait for boss to hit will AOE)
6)take down BB while using and arctic orb
7)put up BB again(repeat steps 4-7 till boss is dead or concentrate orb is down)
if bosses is still not dead and you're concentrate orb runs out then.
8) take down BB put up concentrate orb
9) put up BB and pot every 15 seconds(wait 120 seconds approximately 8 pots)
10) take down BB use arctic orb and proceed with steps 4-7 again.
Does this work? Yes

For grinding the best solution is to
1)kill mobs till youre at about 1000MP.
2)Fly high or jump into a tree.
3)Go AFK. Do your chores(and homework). Go back to grinding.
4)Repeat steps 1-3.

As for skills, choose wisely.
Get all your buffs. Defense buffs will allow you to heal your self less when you grind. Attack buff will allow you give you more hit points per skill. and you're MP regen buff will be useful. Get metal mastery that gives you more hit points per metal skill.

If you're mostly a pve player. All you need is cyclone,plumeshot,ironheart,revive,purify, wellspring,(maybe Stream of Rejuvenation in later lvls),plume shell, and RB and BB. All of these are low lvled skill or only have 1 lvl.

If you're a pvp player, you'll want the pve skills + a few more like the occasional wield thunder, and maybe a debuffs. PvP isn't required. PvE is.

*take note that once you get a skill you don't lose it or consume it.
and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.
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  • SATII - Lost City
    SATII - Lost City Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    And if the boss AOES during that moment BB is down? You just created a party wipe because your too cheap to use mp pots/charms.


    Sure you can afk all the time, but that makes a 30min quest last hours. And skills cost so much mp, it takes like 1k mp/ mob. Thats like 5 or 6 mobs you can kill, then you have to afk. Veeeeeeeeeery slow
  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    SATII - Lost City wrote: »
    And if the boss AOES during that moment BB is down? You just created a party wipe because your too cheap to use mp pots/charms.
    I have edited my explanation for clarity. You should wait for the boss to AOE before you take down and reset. And you should be able to take down BB, pot, and put up BB in about 1 second. Most boss AOE I know usually don't 1 shot AOE every 2 seconds. But then I don't have THAT much experience. I've tried this technique on HH2-2 or 2-1( I can't remember) with general feng. And I was the only cleric the squad so no other cleric was adding heal. If you have 2 clerics, you can alternate BB easily. And as for "too cheap", charms are expensive, If I had a non-school day, I could burn through a gold one in one day and only make 200k.
    SATII - Lost City wrote: »
    Sure you can afk all the time, but that makes a 30min quest last hours. And skills cost so much mp, it takes like 1k mp/ mob. Thats like 5 or 6 mobs you can kill, then you have to afk. Veeeeeeeeeery slow
    Slow? I've been doing that for the past 70 or so levels. I kill 4 mobs and then go AFK for 30seconds. Then back to 4 mobs and so on. I know its faster if you have charm. But the point of this to conserve MP and cash not to go on a killing spree. And the meantime I can do other things like cook dinner or do chores and stuff like that.
    and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

    All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    SATII - Lost City wrote: »
    And if the boss AOES during that moment BB is down? You just created a party wipe because your too cheap to use mp pots/charms.

    Sure you can afk all the time, but that makes a 30min quest last hours. And skills cost so much mp, it takes like 1k mp/ mob. Thats like 5 or 6 mobs you can kill, then you have to afk. Veeeeeeeeeery slow

    Agreed, Magicgabe obviously hasn't been in many TT runs. Charms are a must for high lvl TTs. Some bosses need way too much time to kill. Yesterday I burned a bronze charm and about 60 mana pots on a TT70 run and there was another Cleric too so I could take breaks and meditate lol.

    No charm, no happy end and if it does end hapily it will be happy only for your teammates, not your pocket. 80 mana pots woudn't be enough for a full TT70 run..
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  • Eliathel - Lost City
    Eliathel - Lost City Posts: 217 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Clerics=mana eaters. You can go in pw without one. And who can grind going afk every 30 seconds? And what about PvP servers?
    Its wasting too much time!
  • Frickkina - Heavens Tear
    Frickkina - Heavens Tear Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    the way i see it is if you spend your time grinding on the right mobs instead of looking for herbs, by the time your charm runs out, hey presto, the grind has made you enough cash for a new one, and in TT's surely 2 mats = new charm?
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  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    i prefer gathering herbs and then making jade powder
    Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    I am skeptic about gathering herbs on higher levels.
    Kinda the best option is to grind, and pick herbs around you when you run out of mp. Cause it takes only 1 person to ruin your farming of the whole day >.<
    b:dirty
  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Agreed, Magicgabe obviously hasn't been in many TT runs. Charms are a must for high lvl TTs. Some bosses need way too much time to kill. Yesterday I burned a bronze charm and about 60 mana pots on a TT70 run and there was another Cleric too so I could take breaks and meditate lol.

    No charm, no happy end and if it does end hapily it will be happy only for your teammates, not your pocket. 80 mana pots woudn't be enough for a full TT70 run..

    I've been on HH1-1,1-2,2-1,2-2, I think maybe be 1-3? Can't remember. I do an HH run a few times week. I have only used Mp charms on HH1-1 when I had less experience. That is my experience.

    Sure you have burned through a bronze charm. I has 120,000MP. I've burned through 20+ arctic orbs on HH2-2 run. Do the math. 20*9000=180000.

    Sure you may burn through 300mana pots. Go grind some more.

    As for PvP. They are nice to have especially in TW. However, they are not necessary. I'd prefer to get an HP Charm. Its easier to save for other TW. As for plume shell. Usually, my 6k mana can absorb enough damage and leave enough mana for me to kill someone. However, if it does run out, I just use a pot.
    i prefer gathering herbs and then making jade powder
    b:victoryb:victoryb:victory
    and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

    All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.
  • Mikel_oru - Sanctuary
    Mikel_oru - Sanctuary Posts: 610 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i prefer gathering herbs and then making jade powder

    So do I, if you know your way around herbs and elixirs life gets much easier both in PvP and PvE for a Cleric.
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  • Tryagain - Harshlands
    Tryagain - Harshlands Posts: 716 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    This is the most **** post I have ever seen. You cannot drop BB, potion, and put up BB again in 1 second. It takes 5 seconds to channel BB. Slow response time in this game will add another 1 or 2 seconds to cancelling your BB and using the potion. There will definitely be an aoe during that time. Using 300 mana potions is more expensive than getting a charm. Everyone knows they can meditate during grinding to save money. Your mana regen potions do not come close to regenning enough, because you only get 1/4 of the regen during combat.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Tryagain - Harshlands wrote: »
    This is the most **** post I have ever seen. You cannot drop BB, potion, and put up BB again in 1 second. It takes 5 seconds to channel BB. Slow response time in this game will add another 1 or 2 seconds to cancelling your BB and using the potion. There will definitely be an aoe during that time. Using 300 mana potions is more expensive than getting a charm. Everyone knows they can meditate during grinding to save money. Your mana regen potions do not come close to regenning enough, because you only get 1/4 of the regen during combat.

    THANK YOU!!

    I was reading this and laughing (sorry to say). If I was a part of your crew I would be very concerned. It is impractical and suicidal to drop bb in the middle of an aoe boss = Party Wipe! And, I am skeptical that this has worked for you so many times without any such failures. Go talk to Soul Banisher...Besides a full 1-3 run on high squad...can easily burn 200k off a gold charm and that can just be with utilizing iron-heart!

    And yes it is true, a charm ends up costing less in the long run. Find the right place to grind and make some money, you are wasting it all on pots and it is sad!
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  • Aneemah - Heavens Tear
    Aneemah - Heavens Tear Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Well, we can at least congratulate you for creativity and uniqueness at hand, even though that would cause a major party crash, and enough material for at least 22 episodes of a 4th class soap opera by US standards <.<
  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Simply said.... I've done before without having any party members die.
    I will do the math...
    BB costs 100mp per second
    If you use a concentrate orb it is 75MP persecond really
    Arctic Orb = 9000MP
    9000Mp/75MpPSec = 120seconds

    Interestingly pots(at least from what observe)have a cooldown time of 120seconds.

    Also venomancers can transfer spark every 60 seconds which means....
    they can transfer 2 spark in 120 seconds
    Therefore...
    120seconds for 2 spark
    120seconds per Arctic orb
    120seond pot cool down
    On paper it works.

    And how did I figure out this? I was in an HH2-2 doing general feng. Halfway through I was running out of regular pots. There were no other clerics in the party to put up BB. So, I quickly thought of a plan to keep up BB. This is a field generated technique not just some random thing I thought of.

    Charms are not cheap. With gold at 130000coinpergold, it takes 520000 coin to get 900Kmp. What can you do with 500K coin. A lot. After a few charms worth of Mp you can get good gear to help you survive in stuff like HH. You can upgrade your gear and skills.

    And two, I don't buy pots. I do herb runs and make arctic orbs and concentrate orbs. I also grind to obtain MP pots.

    thirdly, i have mis-spoken when i said that BB should be up in 1 second, I mean start puting up BB. True I may have less experience as I have not seen bosses that 1shotAOE every 2 seconds. I know there are 10Second phy AOES that can hurt. And most 3 second AOES I've seen really don't dent the HP bar maybe(300-400HP). If There happens to be a boss that can hit 70,000k AOE every second, then well...
    ...idk.

    Edit: And if you're lagging too much, should you really be doing HH and boss/dungeon stuff?
    b:pleasedb:pleasedb:pleased
    and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

    All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.
  • Livedeath - Heavens Tear
    Livedeath - Heavens Tear Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Sparks go to the tank so he can keep aggro. Not cheapass clerics. I would never take you on a TT party.
    2-2 can be done without BB with a skilled cleric.
    Try your tactic in 1-3 mirror boss. After the aoe wipes out your party. They would kick you out and not give you any drops, and then further flame you for being a cheapass.
  • Ruby - Harshlands
    Ruby - Harshlands Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »
    For grinding the best solution is to
    1)kill mobs till youre at about 1000MP.
    2)Fly high or jump into a tree.
    3)Go AFK. Do your chores(and homework). Go back to grinding.
    4)Repeat steps 1-3.
    Thats not time consuming at all b:scorn
    Livedeath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sparks go to the tank so he can keep aggro. Not cheapass clerics. I would never take you on a TT party.
    2-2 can be done without BB with a skilled cleric.
    Try your tactic in 1-3 mirror boss. After the aoe wipes out your party. They would kick you out and not give you any drops, and then further flame you for being a cheapass.
    LOL yep that would definately happen b:surrender
  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Firstly, most barbarians I know can hold agro without needing spark transfers. Two, if the barb needs some extra spark after he's used chi pots, then that's when you bring some pots to wait out the next 60 seconds. Three, I usually notify a squad that I don't have an MP Charm and often they still let me in. idk why. They just do. And I still get drops.

    And for those of you who were wondering. I have used charms before. Especially when I had less experience with dungeons and BB. And I will admit this. Its a lot easier.

    *Can somebody close this thread.*
    (This was not meant to be a firefight. Just something of interest for clerics who were tired of only have 10k coin(aka cheapasses).)

    b:byeb:bye
    and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

    All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.
  • SATII - Lost City
    SATII - Lost City Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    You don't need to use a charm. I don't. Just use a powder and mp pots. I can BB for 10 minutes straight using only ~10-15 mp pots in conjunction with a powder. And yes, bosses do mass AOE in the high TT's. 1-x are jokes. 2-1 is a joke. 2-2 is ok. 2-3 and higher start to get hard. That's when dropping BB to pot becomes unacceptable. And seeing how you've never done them, that's probably why you've never had a problem before.
  • aryannamage
    aryannamage Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2009
    Closed on request of OP.
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