Are mages useless?
RaienyDayz - Heavens Tear
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I mean seriously clerics at all lvls just out damage and buff them whats the point of a mage?
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OH MY GOD HERE COME THE NUKES
Seriously, prepare for a flame war the likes of which have never been seen.
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Haha, I'd like to meet a cleric my level that can outdamage me in pve.
In pvp yes a cleric will usually win.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
badass wizards never stand upto a Barbarian0
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Jestersig - Heavens Tear wrote: »Haha, I'd like to meet a cleric my level that can outdamage me in pve.
In pvp yes a cleric will usually win.
Would that be a high vit nerfed support cleric?
Wizard outdamages every other class at lvl 100, with Manifest Virture. They're no good before then. Calculate the damage of a pure int cleric with Tempest/Spirit's Gift/Elemental Seal maxed, and you'll see the damage difference. It only seems like Wiz does more because most clerics are of support build.
Wizard pays off later on. They're the hardest class to play in early game.0 -
arcane wizards often have much higher physical defense than me (when they use their stone barrier buff)
(but which cleric skill out damages blade tempest?)0 -
Badass_panda - Heavens Tear wrote: »badass wizards never stand upto a Barbarian
not so sure about that... and to answer the question, mages are amazing in TW (at high lvls)Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Wizard only prevail at high level couple with -channeling (up to 90%), shorter cast skill and utility skill make a fearsome enemy especially in mess PvP (TW).
If there is only one person who can decide the out come of a TW, it will be a wizard (only if you spec correctly and have awesome equipments)0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »arcane wizards often have much higher physical defense than me (when they use their stone barrier buff)
(but which cleric skill out damages blade tempest?)
I have seen MAG built wizard that has 12K+ physical defend with 10K+ HP and 28K magical attack damage (fully buff with sage/demon skill).0 -
Daji - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have seen MAG built wizard that has 12K+ physical defend with 10K+ HP and 28K magical attack damage (fully buff with sage/demon skill).
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Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »arcane wizards often have much higher physical defense than me (when they use their stone barrier buff)
(but which cleric skill out damages blade tempest?)
thats just me :P
there arnt actually that many arcane wizards with high pdef but then again my hp is only 1980
tempest out damages blade tempest and is roughly equal to black ice water dragon...
and yeah
wizards are pretty much useless until lv 90 when we become normalish with uidine and our lame but still useful sleep skill... and good at lv 100 when we get manifest which will almost double ur m attack if you are pure...0 -
I would say it depends on player and what do you mean blade tempest?Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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Wizards have good attack but very poor defense.
i know a wizard that simply cannot quest alone most of the time.
And in duels... lets just say they have it the worst...
How do i know these? Because 1. i played wizard until i realized how it was just not my style and too squishy.
and 2. two of my really good friends are magesFacebook.com/foxi187
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As much as it pains me to say wizards do outdamage clerics and are the first choice for DD. But overall PvE, PvP, usefulness in squad and good looksb:pleased clerics are better. b:cry we should have been the damage dealers also, the makers of this game stole our powerb:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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BS.
Clerics and Wizards are on the same damage scale prior to 100.
In fact, count the buffs and debuffs, Clerics > Wizards for more than 90% of the game.
Let's look at some facts.
Plume Shot and Pyrogram have the exact same damage.
You can say Pyrogram gains a 20% damage bonus from Fire Mastery, but what's 20% of 1379? we'd go up about.. 270 damage?
But Plumeshot is physical. Plume Shot wins.
Great Cyclone is a joke. Cyclone = Gush with animation change.
No f'ing difference. Same damage, same slow, even same sage/demon effects.
Joke much?
Wield Thunder: 100% less weapon damage than Sandstorm, same damage.
This isn't even a factor until weapon damage greatly increases (which isn't until really high levels)
Tempest: 100% less weapon damage than Black Ice Dragon Strike, but only 1 or two digits damage away. In fact, by the time this spell reaches Sage/Demon, the two damages dealt is so strangely close that I'd say all PWI did was throw in an animation switch and a tiny weapon tweak.
A FAC can easily take the place of a wizard in an HH run, and even be more useful with their arsenal of buffs, debuffs, disables and support spells.
They're being quite unfair to Mages.
Fun Fact: Manifest Virtue does not stack with Spark. That means you either spark, or you stick with 200% extra magic attack at 100 (seein how a mage would have roughly 20k mana by 100). Given the situation, I'd rather Sage/Demon spark, although Manifest Virtue would allow a more quiet "spark" that lasts twice as long.
Cooldown on this thing is also 5 minutes. It lasts, 30 seconds.0 -
What gets me is that there are hardly any lvl 100s in the game and yet people talk about lvl 100 skills being so powerful....0
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Mr_jingle - Sanctuary wrote: »What gets me is that there are hardly any lvl 100s in the game and yet people talk about lvl 100 skills being so powerful....
well this is not the only version of the game... people may have come over here from Malaysian servers.. or just look at the lvl 100 stuff and plan for late game
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Adroit - Lost City wrote: »well this is not the only version of the game... people may have come over here from Malaysian servers.. or just look at the lvl 100 stuff and plan for late game
the sad thing though is that when aeion/diablo and other new games come out, pwi will take a huge hit to its playerbase... most people (who do infarct have a life) might not even be able to get there0 -
AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »the sad thing though is that when aeion/diablo and other new games come out, pwi will take a huge hit to its playerbase... most people (who do infarct have a life) might not even be able to get there
haha pwi will take a huge hit to it's playerbase just because a new game is coming out. lol...heard stuff like that in every mmo I've ever played. It never happens. ;o0 -
Well, I'm a LA Wizard, and I'm going to be riding that build train all the way to 100-ville, baby! (I don't get that previous statement either...moving on.) I played this class/build because it was what I felt the most comfortable with. I'm usually the caster-type player in every MMO I've played, and they've all been quite enjoyable. In addition, the Wizard class in this game is very fun to play! I love the power, the spells, the...well, everything!
Even when I realized that the Wizard class is the hardest class to play, apparently...I still loved it! It didn't seem that hard to me at all, and the levels just seem to fly by me. My Faction loves my awesome Wizardry...in fact, I'm the best Wizard in the Faction! *mutters* I'm the only Wizard in my Faction, but still...
Anyway, take it from a man who plays to play; I believe Wizards are an awesome class and are great to play with! They can tank magic mobs fairly well (mostly Mantavip is what I get called on to do), do awesome damage (constant damage for pures, and spike damage for Light Armor), and, well...our spells look awesome! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'ma go summon my awesome-sauce Ice Dragon on those fire mobs over here...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well, I'm a LA Wizard, and I'm going to be riding that build train all the way to 100-ville, baby! (I don't get that previous statement either...moving on.) I played this class/build because it was what I felt the most comfortable with. I'm usually the caster-type player in every MMO I've played, and they've all been quite enjoyable. In addition, the Wizard class in this game is very fun to play! I love the power, the spells, the...well, everything!
Even when I realized that the Wizard class is the hardest class to play, apparently...I still loved it! It didn't seem that hard to me at all, and the levels just seem to fly by me. My Faction loves my awesome Wizardry...in fact, I'm the best Wizard in the Faction! *mutters* I'm the only Wizard in my Faction, but still...
Anyway, take it from a man who plays to play; I believe Wizards are an awesome class and are great to play with! They can tank magic mobs fairly well (mostly Mantavip is what I get called on to do), do awesome damage (constant damage for pures, and spike damage for Light Armor), and, well...our spells look awesome! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'ma go summon my awesome-sauce Ice Dragon on those fire mobs over here...
Finally a LA person posted in this thread. In anycase yeah, imo if you don't go a LA wiz you're dooming yourself to a life of many senseless deaths. There is about a 200 damage diff between LA and pure wizzies at lvl 70, and about a 3k phys def difference with stone barrier.
Now as for clerics out damaging wizards, thats a toss up. Clerics can spam plum shot til the cows come home and probably outdamage a wiz, but if we have an element against the mob you clerics have no chance. Hell right now unless the mob is earth I deal 9k with my sandstorm, and with my nice 10% crit rate I crit fairly often, so thats 18k sandstorm crits. Then you know we can pop sutra and get off four skills back to back dealin tons of damage.
So yeah people can say what they think, but I think mages are one of the best classes ever, it just takes a bit more skill to play than some of the other classes.0 -
Well, I wouldn't go so far as DOOMING everyone else to a lifetime to deaths...I just find LA easier to play. A few pure Wizard friends that I know are gifted in the art of stopping mobs before they can hit them once, so it's all about the player behind the character, I guess. ^_^v[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well, I wouldn't go so far as DOOMING everyone else to a lifetime to deaths...I just find LA easier to play. A few pure Wizard friends that I know are gifted in the art of stopping mobs before they can hit them once, so it's all about the player behind the character, I guess. ^_^v
I doom them though because most people tend to suck too much to not get hit.0 -
^^;; ...I guess. Wizard really isn't a class for everyone...then again, there is no "class for everyone", really.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well, I'm a LA Wizard
Why are you La on pve? I never did get that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Dalamaar: Mizorie you have no soul.0 -
Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »Why are you La on pve? I never did get that.
hes a guy
guys are stupid...b:chuckle0 -
AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »hes a guy
guys are stupid...b:chuckle
NUH UH!Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »Why are you La on pve? I never did get that.
Maybe likes to Pk? TW? Zhen? Rebirth? Dragon Temple? AoE Grind? Or maybe just gets a kick out of beating up phys mobs and winning duels with BM's and Barbs? (And yes, clerics and veno's too on a good day)
Nuh Uh!AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »hes a guy
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^^;; Actually, uh...none of those are right. I do plan to PvP, PK, TW one day, which is why I chose the build. But I first chose the build because, well...I'm a fan of balance, and I liked the somewhat "balanced" defense of Light Armor. And when I heard about the extra crit rate stuff and whatnot...yeah, I was hooked. xP[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Chocooo - Lost City wrote: »BS.
Clerics and Wizards are on the same damage scale prior to 100.
In fact, count the buffs and debuffs, Clerics > Wizards for more than 90% of the game.
Let's look at some facts.
Plume Shot and Pyrogram have the exact same damage.
You can say Pyrogram gains a 20% damage bonus from Fire Mastery, but what's 20% of 1379? we'd go up about.. 270 damage?
But Plumeshot is physical. Plume Shot wins.
Great Cyclone is a joke. Cyclone = Gush with animation change.
No f'ing difference. Same damage, same slow, even same sage/demon effects.
Joke much?
Wield Thunder: 100% less weapon damage than Sandstorm, same damage.
This isn't even a factor until weapon damage greatly increases (which isn't until really high levels)
Tempest: 100% less weapon damage than Black Ice Dragon Strike, but only 1 or two digits damage away. In fact, by the time this spell reaches Sage/Demon, the two damages dealt is so strangely close that I'd say all PWI did was throw in an animation switch and a tiny weapon tweak.
A FAC can easily take the place of a wizard in an HH run, and even be more useful with their arsenal of buffs, debuffs, disables and support spells.
They're being quite unfair to Mages.
Fun Fact: Manifest Virtue does not stack with Spark. That means you either spark, or you stick with 200% extra magic attack at 100 (seein how a mage would have roughly 20k mana by 100). Given the situation, I'd rather Sage/Demon spark, although Manifest Virtue would allow a more quiet "spark" that lasts twice as long.
Cooldown on this thing is also 5 minutes. It lasts, 30 seconds.
Theres one thing about this that doesnt entirely suit up to par. Clerics only have 1 element to work with compared to three with the wizard. The wizard has way more chance to out damage the cleric :P. Its not as if metal magic works on everything just fine >_>;0 -
In Pve / HH runs, the element barely matters.
They've got one element that wins every element the mage has... + its spammable:
The physical element.
Think of it this way:
Clerics have only one nemesis, the metal mob.
Mages have only one nemesis, the magic resistant mobs.
But of course, a cleric can take out the metal mob using plume shot. Problem solved.
Mages? We've gotta wait till 79 to use undine strike to deal about 60% of the regular damage we can do! 79 levels? Really?
59, Blade tempest, is only enough to take out maybe.... 40% of the mob's hp for magic resistant mobs. The rest of that is a slow and painful mana waste.
Now, why is it that increased def mobs are x2 def, while increased magic resistance is x10 resist? That's pretty lame.
And finally, in PvP, Elements really don't matter unless a class is really stupid enough to stack up metal resistance only to defend against clerics. At that point, wave the man goodbye because then any mage down the road would wipe him across the ground.
But see here: We as mages really need to find complete morons just to be able to kill someone? Really now?
I'll give mages this though: At 90, we're finally ON PAR with other classes. Note: ON PAR. Even then I'd say we're still slightly below average seeing how clerics also have their "animation switched sage/demon versions of mages".
So we're finally do 10k damage with gush? Well hey! So is that great cyclone.
Durrr.0
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