Archer Build. Vit?
Oromis - Harshlands
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im a lvl 59 archer and have been using the pure dex build(1 str 4 dex) since lvl 1. As a result my character is very squishy. So I was just wondering would it be a bad idea to start putting 1 vit. 1 str and 3 dex each lvl?
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Not worth it, keep up with your pure build and make up for the low hp with HP gems. (and refine later ofc)0
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did you just answer your self o.o?0
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Jjtc - Sanctuary wrote: »did you just answer your self o.o?
Silence blasphemer, there's an "H" at the end of mine, which makes the meaning of our two names very different.0 -
Hmm vit is not a bad thing really...... i have some vit here an there an can 2 shot lvl 60 full dex archer in 2 hits an iam lvl 57 takes them about 5 hits to kill me off "just ask Vitamins an Snipes lol" on Harshlands watch out
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LPsychol - Sanctuary wrote: »Hmm vit is not a bad thing really...... i have some vit here an there an can 2 shot lvl 60 full dex archer in 2 hits an iam lvl 57 takes them about 5 hits to kill me off "just ask Vitamins an Snipes lol" on Harshlands watch out
ok so I Ment to post on this char my badb:laugh0 -
Oromis - Harshlands wrote: »im a lvl 59 archer and have been using the pure dex build(1 str 4 dex) since lvl 1. As a result my character is very squishy. So I was just wondering would it be a bad idea to start putting 1 vit. 1 str and 3 dex each lvl?
Forget about vit. You are damage dealer which means being squishy is your destiny.
If u wanna get more hp points - believe me at lvls 60 + you will get them. Just refining gears + citrine shards. It is not sohard. At lvls 80 + 4-4.5k hp is normal.My people, some of them have run away to the hills
and have no shelter. No food, no one knows where they are,
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Every ten levels or so, your armor updates
i think its 0, 6, 9 or something like that the game is down currently I can't check
LOOK at the required strength and add strength AS you need so you just have enough required for armor.
Other than that either go pure-dex, which means yes you will be squishy for a bit, but socket your armor, refine it, and add HP shards which should cover it, alternatively you can do 1vit, 4dex, (Which I do) including add armor shards and stuff ^^;;;
Pure dex is good for giving a hard hit but unless their evasion is really good they wont really take one in the face. So lots of HP shards (and defence) is vital anyway
hopeyou're looking forward to your 1mil + bill of shards =D
I didnt start sharding stuff until the 70s anyway - I leveled too fast to bother.0 -
ok evryone seems to say 'just follow pure dex'...be origional for a change.Mystyra - Lost City wrote: »Every ten levels or so, your armor updates
i think its 0, 6, 9 or something like that the game is down currently I can't check
LOOK at the required strength and add strength AS you need so you just have enough required for armor.
Other than that either go pure-dex, which means yes you will be squishy for a bit, but socket your armor, refine it, and add HP shards which should cover it, alternatively you can do 1vit, 4dex, (Which I do) including add armor shards and stuff ^^;;;
Pure dex is good for giving a hard hit but unless their evasion is really good they wont really take one in the face. So lots of HP shards (and defence) is vital anyway hopeyou're looking forward to your 1mil + bill of shards =D
I didnt start sharding stuff until the 70s anyway - I leveled too fast to bother.
i didnt follow it and placed in vit...i still have high crit rate and better yet...i get to live to use it b:chuckle
on a side note however...if you dont go pure dex, alot of archers will laugh at you. but then as they lie in a heap on the floor after being 1 hitted by the soulgatherer in TT1-2 you can laugh right back at them an get the exp from the kill! b:laughb:victoryMy alarm tried to wake me this morning,Things escalated and now my alarms broken and im awake. . . Not quite sure who won . . . .0 -
Thraxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »on a side note however...if you dont go pure dex, alot of archers will laugh at you. but then as they lie in a heap on the floor after being 1 hitted by the soulgatherer in TT1-2 you can laugh right back at them an get the exp from the kill! b:laughb:victory
People shut up about my build when I tanked Mantavip and several levels later soloed mantavip b:chuckle
I think they call me "Tank type" archer XD
b:victory Latest tank - Jewelscalen
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Me personaly i have a pure dex build archer. I may only be lvl 44 but i think pure dex is the way to go. I max out my evasion skill as well as heap tons of Evasion Shards on myself. when going against normal mobs i hardly ever get hit due to they miss me soo damn much. I love it!b:victory
And when your in an fb and find yourself pulling agro off the tank switch to fist or some close range weapons. There are skills you can use with any weapon and you have less of a chance of being killed and can still drop dps.....just beware of those aoe bosses pain in the **** let me tell youb:cry0 -
Soryen - Sanctuary wrote: »just beware of those aoe bosses pain in the **** let me tell youb:cry
Hehe... after Suzerix (a level 40+ boss) most of the bosses are AoE. Some deal magical damage, but some are even difficult to deal with because they have both Physical and Magical attack.
Concerning the +HP points and -HP points option : the thing is very debatable. Some use Pure Dex, but there are also some, that don't necessarily have a vit build, but have some points added (up to 25 or so) just for a more comfort.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Vit build is a joke the loss in damage and the fact that you do not gain much hp are big downfalls. The loss of damage going from pure to vit is the same as using a lower level weapon i.e. if you're 9x vit using a 9x weapon you have the same damage as an 8x pure using an 8x weapon not to mention the loss in crit. At 90 a full vit would have 1157 more hp than a pure but the average pure has 5k. So for a small gain of hp (1.2k compared to 5k already) you now hit like an 8x. Gratz you are no longer a factor in pvp (people will just ignore you as u hit so soft) and pve is now a pain in the **** as NOTHING dies before it gets 3+ shots of on u. I did post numbers at one point but cant be bothered to look for it again.Official Guild History
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Survey of archer builds:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=228922
Summary of popular builds:
Pure: 4 Dex, 1 Str (every level)
Hybrid: 3 Dex, 1 Str, 1 Vit (every level)
Partial Hybrid: 7 Dex, 2 Str, 1 Vit (every 2 levels)0 -
Chaotiic - Lost City wrote: »Vit build is a joke the loss in damage and the fact that you do not gain much hp are big downfalls.
Vit builds have problems soloing but they do well in parties. High dex archers can pull aggro real easily. You can avoid pulling aggro by staying out of combat while your squad builds their own, but how is this an advantage for a high dex build?
Meanwhile, vit builds can take some hits and can recover quickly from damage...
Personally... I am currently a high dex build, but I keep wondering if I should change.0 -
Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »Personally... I am currently a high dex build, but I keep wondering if I should change.
I tried both, sorta.
I was hybrid (3-1-1) until level 74.
After reading the rather strong opinions of others, I decided to make an informed decision and try pure dex. I took a 50 pt reset note and took 50 points out of vitality and put it into dex. It isn't really pure, but I was not going to pay for another reset note.
I immediately did not like it. While I did kill things faster, I also died faster. I think part of it was that I did not shard and did not refine, so I did not have enough HP.
I am currently trying partial hybrid (7-2-1), plus 6 average shards. It seems to be a decent compromise.
My conclusion is that all three builds "work", and some work better than others, depending on your tastes. Pure dex requires specific equipment properties (+HP), but that's not a big surprise and almost all guides out there state that.
Personally, unless you've tried multiple builds, I don't think you can really give an informed opinion.
PvE only. No TW, no PvP, no dueling.0 -
And when your in an fb and find yourself pulling agro off the tank switch to fist or some close range weapons. There are skills you can use with any weapon and you have less of a chance of being killed and can still drop dps.....just beware of those aoe bosses pain in the **** let me tell youb:cry[/QUOTE]
As i stated before bring a sword or fist and there is no prob. You have skills you can use with any weapon so being a pure dex problem is not a problem[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Aggro control is something all archers should learn from low level others whether you are vit or pure u will die in hh/fbs. Easy way to survive is to stop attacking put up shield and/or wings of grace its a simple fact that sometimes u will pull aggro watever ur build is so all archers should be aware and able to stop attacking and defend urself quickly. Tbh watever ur build you shouldnt be dying in pve past 60 unless jumped by multiple mobs and even then you should be able to escape. PVE is ridiculously easy and does not require any specific build. Archer builds are based off pvp/tw/pk success and pure is by far the best for all these.Official Guild History
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Chaotiic - Lost City wrote: »Aggro control is something all archers should learn from low level others whether you are vit or pure u will die in hh/fbs. Easy way to survive is to stop attacking put up shield and/or wings of grace ...
Of course you should learn aggro control and learn how to stay alive and other good stuff... but ... your "high dex damage" becomes rather dismal when you stop attacking or invoke wings of grace.0 -
Mystyra - Lost City wrote: »People shut up about my build when I tanked Mantavip and several levels later soloed mantavip b:chuckle
I think they call me "Tank type" archer XD
b:victory Latest tank - Jewelscalen
Now to college
I think you are playing with the wrong class lolz. b:laugh
When r u planning to tank Dipter or Cenminator? b:victoryMy people, some of them have run away to the hills
and have no shelter. No food, no one knows where they are,
hear me my chiefs, I am tired. My heart is sick and sad,
I will fight no more....0 -
As soon as you start paying attention to your armor (for me it was level 70), any problems you might have with HP in PVE pretty much melt away.
Grinding...
As Chaotiic mentioned later on in the game, its pretty much impossible to die in regular play unless you manage to get some serious mob attention. For me this point was reached around level 70 (when I started paying attention to my armor)
(pure) PULL aggro on boss = Die
Yes... but hybrids also pull... you guys arent THAT far behind us. We just have to be slightly more aware of aggro. The difference in HP between pure/hybrid isn't going to save you when a boss looks your way. Not much of an argument point... if you argue that your damage is significantly worse... making you significantly safer... that doesnt make your build look too attractive ^^.
Money?
Pure wins... faster kills means less mana consumed and less damage taken (and also less ammunition fired... but thats a minor consideration.) Your margin of error is smaller... but grab a HP charm and it shouldnt be an issue.
PVP/TW
Pure.Meek with words, abrupt with arrows.0 -
Perhaps I should clarify that, while I did not enjoy my brief experience with Pure Dex, I do not by any means believe it is inferior to Hybrid. Pure Dex just requires a bit more attention to detail with regards to equipment, and probably the usage of charms.
I guess I'm just too lazy and too cheap, so Hybrid is easier for me.0 -
Annor - Heavens Tear wrote: »(pure) PULL aggro on boss = Die
I believe, when I know how I should react, I do not need to die (for example, in fb69, dive dive dive). When I pull aggro from bosses, I do sometimes die, but I also sometimes do not die. Sometimes apothecary items can help (for example, violet wind dew can be useful), and of course I can only survive when I recognize I have pulled a boss so I can take action before I die. And of course if I had enough health so I could survive another couple seconds, reacting in time would be easy, but I have been playing a silly pure build elf.0 -
actually when your a vit build archer you can destroy, think about it. even as a vt build you can still hit stupid hard and ontop of that you can have alot more defence, recover hp faster and have more hp that the pure dex archer. speaking as a vit archer i wouldnt recoment being pure dex because you will end up failing in the long run when at 9x some one the same lvl runs up to you and tears you to shreds. i'm a lvl 64 archer with 60 vit and i can actually take out most archers my own lvl (not if they have a heiro ) just cuz that extra hp or defence can save my life. if your pure dex if a bm comes up to you and attacks you with stun locks... death. if your a vit build that BM will not come close to killing you b4 the stuns go off they you can turn arould and lay some metal on that silly BM0
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I'm a little lazy at the moment when it comes to playing with numbers, but when you say "have a lot more defense, hp recovery, and more hp"..
Depending on equipment hybrid archers tend to have about 20% more HP from what I've seen, this goes hand in hand with reduced damage. So when you say "its not so bad" about your damage, and "oh its incredible" about your defense, you're really talking about quite similar discrepencies.
To your example of fighting BMs? I've fought BMs for over 5 minutes of charm draining before... AS PURE. Its expensive... I'd be "purer" if I could. If you think you'll find PVP fights against people who don't have HP charms on in the higher levels, you're kidding yourself. And beating that 10 second heal can be quite trying.
Fast kills, fast deaths = easy kills, and occasional "damn it!! I'm a corpse"
Slow kills, slow deaths = difficult kills, and constant "Hi would you like to eat my charm? I can buy another for 400-600k"
I'm assuming the PVP you're talking about is between players with armor not yet refined, and poorly socketted equipment. Which is not really representative of PVP in general.Meek with words, abrupt with arrows.0 -
pure dex here, id rather kill quick and get out :P
I havent died from a mob, since ever, except in an fb but hey, its ok :P
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its been proven that archers with vit. are better than archers with pure dex. and i'm not talking about in lower lvls or in your 70's or 80's. i'm talkign about high lvls when you actually need vit to survive.0
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Bows_Spirit - Lost City wrote: »its been proven that archers with vit. are better than archers with pure dex. and i'm not talking about in lower lvls or in your 70's or 80's. i'm talkign about high lvls when you actually need vit to survive.
I'd like to see the source of this evidence please. I'm interested.0 -
Bows_Spirit - Lost City wrote: »its been proven that archers with vit. are better than archers with pure dex. and i'm not talking about in lower lvls or in your 70's or 80's. i'm talkign about high lvls when you actually need vit to survive.
err? im ok.. i mean i can survive full 2-3 (winged shell ftw) and 3-1, what do i need vit to survive? maybe i havent gotten there yet (no sarcasm actually i havent experienced everything in game [not a MY player])0 -
Bows_Spirit - Lost City wrote: »its been proven that archers with vit. are better than archers with pure dex. and i'm not talking about in lower lvls or in your 70's or 80's. i'm talkign about high lvls when you actually need vit to survive.
LOL who did you get your information from? Pure with good gear is much better than a vit. I have more hp than most 9x archers vit or pure simply from having good gear. If i switched to vit i would gain an extra 1300hp and lose over 1.7k damage +5% crit. I ALREADY have 5.9k hp WITHOUT any buffs why would i sacrifice my damage to gain such an insignificant amount of hp? At 9x vit archers all restat to dex simply because the hp gained from vit is not significant enough once you start upgrading your gear to be worth the massive reduction in damage and crit. However by all means keep your vit build get to 9x and watch me destroy you in pvp.
EDIT: I think this guy is jus trolling usOfficial Guild History
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Bows_Spirit - Lost City wrote: »its been proven that archers with vit. are better than archers with pure dex. and i'm not talking about in lower lvls or in your 70's or 80's. i'm talkign about high lvls when you actually need vit to survive.
Proven by who? b:thanksMy people, some of them have run away to the hills
and have no shelter. No food, no one knows where they are,
hear me my chiefs, I am tired. My heart is sick and sad,
I will fight no more....0
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